why don't we just declare Christianity the official religion of the US

[neverforget]

and get it over with? That way, we can fight over which denomination is the correct and only view. :eyes: Theocracies are so underrated. I mean, Saudi Arabia is a great place to live: women wearing shrouds, beheadings, cutting off hands for stealing, keeping women at home pregnant and uneducated is a great way of life! What is there not to like about all that? Not to mention all the prayer you can get in in public without those nasty non-believers watching you and breaking into your house to make you stop! With all the Christian Churches that have been shut down because God was taken out of government, I just don't know where to pray anymore. Silent prayer isn't enough. I need everyone to know who My God is!
I can't wait until we a standard prayer for all to say:
Thank you Lord Jesus Christ, for giving us a Christian Man who will do Your work and spread Your Word to all corners of Your Creation. May you Bless President Moore and the United States of America!

:grr: :mad: :puke: :nuke: :argh:
Sorry for the rant.......

On edit: I'm an Irish Caltholic Liberal Democrat. So, to those who think I'm an atheist, you are incorrect. I believe in Freedom of religion and Freedom FROM religion for those who don't believe

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[sujan]

2. you sure did

[Darranar]

3. This isn't god-bashing...

this is religious fundamentalist bashing.

[StopTheMorans]

7. Exactly, HUGE distinction, one that often leads to unnecessary flame-wars

too.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. These rabid anti-theists (or atheist fundies, if you will)

they don't differentiate between Jerry Falwell and Jesus Christ. ANY expression of Christianity is bashed by some of these people. I certainly am not about to lump all atheists or agnostics into this category, as that would be as false as the idea that MY beliefs have anything in common with Pat Robertson's.

And these are the ones who are stirring up shit around here. Bashing any mention of God or Christ. Intruding on threads where Liberal, Progressive Christians are expressing their faith, and equating us all with Bush and the fascists who support him.

This is the kind of bullshit that Freepers do, and I'm sick of it. :grr:

[Darranar]

9. and how do you know...

that the poster of this thread is an "anti-theist?"

[Blue_Chill]

11. It's the logical conclusion

As there are so many on DU and post anti-religious crap so often.

[Darranar]

12. It ISN'T the logical conclusion...

I agree COMPLETELY with the author of that post, and I am no anti-theist.

[Blue_Chill]

16. Are you a anti-theist?

Do you agree with the person on his stance that christian should pray silently or hidden from public view? If so why?

Let's see exactly how 'not' anti-thesit you are.

[Darranar]

23. That's not his stance...

His/her stance is against the union of church and state. There is nothing else in his/her post that indicates anything more than that.

[enki23]

25. no more red herrings. christians can pray whenever they wish, except...

when they do it while serving in a capacity which carries real or implied government sanction.

[Forkboy]

31. Isn't there a verse about praying privately?

I seem to remember one but wouldn't even know where to begin to look anymore.

on edit-I did actually find it;

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

[edward]

10. Did you see no argument presented in the original post starting this

thread? Bashing implies no statement other than vitriol is made.

[Brian Sweat]

13. "they don't differentiate between Jerry Falwell and Jesus Christ. "

Yes they do. It is you who does not. This thread is not an attack on Christianity, but on people who want to mix Church and State. You should not feel attacked by this thread unless you wish to mix Church and State. Do you wish to mix Church and State?

[Dhalgren]

26. "Imagine there's no heaven,

it's easy if you try, no hell below us, above us only sky, imagine all the people living for today."

[Generic Other]

35. The foundations of your faith require condemnation of others

Christians ultimately condemn to eternal damnation all non-believers including those who have never heard of Christ.

This is just another aspect of the supremacist, imperialist, racist ideology of the West. We are the best, greatest, most exhalted, and if you don't believe it, we kill you or exclude you.

You ask me to make a distinction between one Christian and another. That's very difficult to do when I am not one, because Christians do tend to all look and sound alike to me.

Are you saying there are shades of evil? Christian-Lite as opposed to Fundie Heavy? The institution is evil while the people are good or vice versa?

I try not to get into these discussions, but there are times that Christians forget a rather nasty part of their beliefs. I have never heard an atheist say that you would suffer eternal damnation unless you renounced religion. Both sides have inflicted pain, so that doesn't count. Eternal damnation is rather extreme, sounds very controlling, and Republicanish to me. Freepers threaten people who don't believe as they do.

I personally don't care what anyone else believes about themselves, but they have no business acting as if that gives them the right to try and coerce and frighten me into believing too.

Western civilization is built on this model, and it needs to be toppled. When an atheist is treated with the same respect that Christians demand for themselves, I will gladly refrain from pointing out where the doctrine and the actions come in conflict.

[Interrobang]

5. You miss the point.

Christianity isn't the only religion out there that believes in a god. I'm sure there are lots of liberal Muslims and Jews out there, for two.

I *am* an atheist, and I *am* left-wing, and I come from a country where Christianity *is* the (at least nominal) state religion. Believe me, it sucks.

[Proletariat]

38. See, you get banned for supporting the Lord.

:)

[Walt Starr]

4. That would be capitulation

They will make this a theocracy over my dead body.

Unfortunately, that's more of a prediction than a threat...

[magnolia]

6. Good rant...

When fundy friends defend the 10 commandments...I ask them "why do you hate Jesus???" They are appalled of couse, but I explain. Jesus was asked which of the 10 commandments was the most important. He said there is only one commandment.(Jesus apparently didn't think the 10 were necessary) That commandment is to love God above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself. So ask the fundy...was Jesus wrong? When he studied the scriptures, maybe he just didn't get it!

[Blue_Chill]

14. So are you saying we shouldn't pray where you can see or here us?

Please explain why you think I should only pray silently or somewhere outside the public view. What I do is my business and none of yours when it harms no one.

[edward]

20. "so shall their reward be"

[starroute]

39. It's the theological equivalent of double-dipping

If you pray in public, make a big show of visible piety, or do good works where everybody will find out about them, you've already had your reward here on earth. That's it. Only one to a customer.

This is why there are so many fables and folktales about saints doing secret acts of charity, or about apparently inferior people -- the poor, the humble, even apparent reprobates -- whose genuine piety and generosity show up the hypocricy and ostentation of those who are widely proclaimed as devout.

We all know in our hearts what's authentic devotion and what isn't. It's just very easy to confuse seeming devout with being devout, especially if you have a whole lot of people coming around to tell you how pious you are.

[neverforget]

15. This is a rant against FUNDAMENTALISTS of ANY RELIGION.

I'm not anti-God. As a matter of fact, I'm a liberal, Irish Catholic Democrat at that! O8)

This is a rant against the "my way or the highway" religious types.

[Blue_Chill]

18. Be more careful with words

I've grown over sensative on this forum due to the frequency of attacks.

[Darranar]

24. He was.

n/t

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[Walt Starr]

32. Victim syndrome

Too many people are too quick to think they are victims. Yes, Christians are SOOOOOO victimized in this country, why, it's a wonder they have jobs or aren't thrown into death camps!

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

17. Actually, we really should

Propose a Constitutional Amendment declaring Christianity as the National Religion. The right keeps saying our nation was founded on Christian principles by Christian men. Fine, get it out there in the open. Expose the Christian agenda for what it really is, an attempt to stick Jesus into every aspect of our society.

I personally think America would reject it and come to their senses about the true place of religion in America. But if not, then at least I'd know for certain this isn't a country I want to live in anymore.

[helleborient]

34. This is why I agree with Blue_Chill's sensitivities...

THE Christian agenda is factually inaccurate...just as THE homosexual agenda or THE women's agenda is.

I get disgusted with this on DU...when I post about a topic, I am asked to be specific, provide links, use the correct terminology...and we hold Democratic candidates to that as well.

But....if you use terminology inaccurately to slam Christianity, we are suddenly acting as victims when we ask you to be specific.

It's not my fault you don't know better...but I will still do my best to teach you.

[DBoon]

19. Sarcasm, but

I know some people who really do admire the severe punishments in palces like Saudi Arabia. Remeber the kid who was flogged in Singapore for graffiti painting? Lots of Americans supported the Singapore government.

[bloom]

21. http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

This stuff makes me crazy - too. As if they are going to do us all a favor by taking over the country.

Then they try to say it's just about the "laws of God" as if it is universal - but then they have a rally "Reclaiming America for Christ".

And it is NOT anti-Christian to complain - I think all reasonable people, Christian or not, should see this for the obnoxious attempt at trying to make the US a religious state that it is. One courthouse at a time.

[mandyky]

22. And let the christian taliban win?

I think not - true christians apply the sermon on the mount, not the 10 commandements.

[rock]

27. On a nonbeligerent note

From a practical point of view you raise the same problem that you would if you wanted to adopt Chinese as the official language of the US, towit: which one? 'Christian Religion' sounds singular, so does 'Chinese language' but in both cases there are multiple instances of them.

[bloom]

30. make it Quaker...

then everyone would have to come to a consensus to to anything. That would be interesting.

[Clete]

29. Hmm. I remember Ann Coulter saying the same thing.

So what's going to happen to us non-Christians?

[Terwilliger]

33. forget it, neverforget

this type of argument will never persuade anyone to even recognize how religion permeates society and social institutions

[alcuno]

36. I object. I am a Catholic and want IT to be the official religion.

Is Christianity a religion or a belief system? Definitely, I do not want my official religion to be Christianity, because that would include those wacky fundamentalists and I don't want them in MY government. As a matter of fact, if Catholicism were our official religion, we could discriminate against the fundamentalists and eventually get rid of them altogether.

We would not have to have all those Christian churches whose names I don't even understand and we could get those people back into the mainstream where they belong.

<Now the sarcasm is off.>

[xchrom]

37. strict seperation

of church and state.
the fundies are out of control and are evil. and they are anti-christian.

[USA50]

40. OH NO!!!

Do you realize what you have done? If george and asschroft hear this (well, asschroft anyway....george don't pick up too good), they will seek legislation to implement it RIGHT away.

john will call the Patronizing ACT...

Did you notice that Congress passed a law this week to prohibit the use of Federal funds to execute the Federal Court order to remove the commandments in Alabama?