Hillary Clinton to meet with advisters about '04 run

[ringmastery]

Headline on Drudge

There is said to be some fire to the smoke this Labor Day weekend over a report that Hillary Clinton has set a date to discuss a run for the presidency... Hillary and her advisers, including her husband the ex-president, her money-men and pollsters, will meet shortly after Labor Day -- September 6,- to discuss whether or not she should go for it!

http://richardreeves.com/

[crissy71]

1. what's the source of the report?

[soleft]

2. Thank you ringmastery and welcome to DU

:eyes:

[piece sine]

5. If true...

DEAN'S TOAST! And I'm for Dean but will be quick to switch!

[KoKo]

3. If Reeves heard this..might be true. If Hillary/Why not Gore?

After awhile we can start to look like California. Let everyone throw their hat into the ring. I'm serious....it would certainly get alot of dialog going and lots of ability to attack the Chimp and BFEE!

Let 'em all come in..................WHOOPIE! :eyes:

[KoKo]

8. Now if Robert Byrd was only a little younger......He would be my man!

If only even maybe 15 years younger.........but sadly.......it's too big a risk.

[sangh0]

9. Don't be naive

Doesn't anyone remember how the right loves to play this tune in order to get their base aroused?

Yeeesh!

[Democrats unite]

17. So are you saying that we shouldn't pick Hillary because

of the right?

[sangh0]

21. No, I'm saying

you shouldn't believe because the right has been lying about this for years

[ringmastery]

22. Reeves

Is this source a right-wing nut?

Read some of his work.

http://www.uexpress.com/richardreeves/?uc_full_date=20030821

[sangh0]

24. So what?

I don't care about Reeves politics. WRT to this story, what I do care about is that this story has been repeated scores of times, and every time it's a lie.

But this time it's true.

Yeah, right.

[sangh0]

25. Did you even read the story?

There is not ONE FACT to support the idea that Hillary is going to run for President in 2004.

And yest, you believe it. It's nothing but rumor-mongering, which is something Reeves has been known to engage in

[KoKo]

52. Reeves has gotten old and tired....and he seems to blow in the wind sort

of this way and that.....not Tweety for sure......but he lists.

Maybe he needed to "pump" his readership..third wife and such....but I still give him a teeny credibility......I think Hillary doesn't know for sure. The "whore press" pushed her to run as Senator from NY......she won.....hey..she's an opportunist.....and I don't take away from her for trying to seize the "brass ring" of the Presidency.

I think she's thinking about it......with pressure from Bill.......whose sick of them trashing his record as Prsident.

I say .......as I said...bring 'em all on! ALL OUR DEMS..........PRESSURE THE REPUGS......with BIG GUNS..

[JasonBerry]

56. Reeves is hardly a nut

As a political observer - he's very well-respected. I have three of his books on campaigns on my book shelf. He is no nutwing.

The new news from MSNBC's Craig Crawfor makes me think this is serious. Things have changed dramatically since she said she wouldn't run.

[GainesT1958]

4. The timing's just not right for her to run...

Besides, I think her husband was making pretty kind remarks about Wes Clark the other day...I just don't think the timing is right for her..but then, hey, what do I know? :eyes:

B-)

[theboss]

13. I think the timing is better and better everyday

It's looking more and more like '92. Bush is looking more vulnerable each week. And a little-known governor has all the momentum.

It was entirely possible that if Cuomo had declared in '92, he may have created a tsunami and knocked every other contender out. He didn't, Clinton won, and Cuomo never got another chance.

I still think Hillary wants to run. I'm sorry, but every politician wants to be president. And every politician denies it. So, all her statements mean little to me.

She may think that Dean has created this energy for the Democrats and she can jump in with her name and ability to raise dollars and grab it from him. Like the man said, it's very similar to what RFK did to McCarthy in '68.

In other words, Dean could be the fluffer of the 2004 race to the White House.

[Arugula Latte]

54. LOL!

The fluffer! That is soooo funny as a political term! (For those who aren't familiar, a "fluffer" is a person who, uh, shall we say, prepares the actor's male organ for "work" on a porno film.)

[jagguy]

19. not true

two points to consider.

She won't risk running if Bush is thought to have it locked up. She kills credibility to New Yawkers and gets voted out of the Senate. And her political career is over.

If Bush is beatable, then you HAVE to figure on eight years of president Dem which puts her next chance WAY down the road (age 65) and I don't think her political career will allow her to wait that long.

Its now or after Bush finishes his 2nd term or never.

[sangh0]

27. Another point to consider

The article's assertion that the upcoming meeting is about Hillary running in 2004 is based on nothing more than the author's intuition.

[ringmastery]

30. intuition?

He says..

Hillary and her advisers will meet shortly after Labor Day, I hear, to discuss whether or not she should go for it.

[sangh0]

33. I heard

that they have UFO's over at Area 51, but something tells me it isn't true.

Now who do you suppose is telling Reeves that Hillary is going to run? You don't suppose it's the same people who have been saying the same thing for years?

Nah, that couldn't be.

[robbedvoter]

6. A more legitimate link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030827/79/530nb.html
Just cuz she is doing fundraisers. They are for Senate races - I got requests in the mail too. Red meat needed for GOP funraisers (see Volcano Jen's Racicot letter posted yesterday)
P.S just hypothetically: she gets just as big a NO vote from me as Lieberman, Kerry or Gephardt for the obvious reason.

[ryharrin]

7. Oh dear god no.

If this is true, this is bad news. Hillary getting in would make people think that we don't have any good candidates running already, even though we have a few. I don't think Hillary would be the best president or candidate for '04.

[bearfartinthewoods]

42. let's not be niave...it's a 2 fer

vote for Hillary and big dawg gets another 8 years.

[ryharrin]

46. Exactly. Clinton was alright, much better than a republican, but

I probably disagreed with him more than I agreed.

[Larkspur]

10. Hillary voted for the war and is one person who can inspire the Reichwing

to show up in force for Bush in 2004.

If she breaks her promise to the people of New York about serving her full term, she will be branded a promise-breaker and risk losing her senate seat in 2006.

I think that Hillary sees that Dean has a great chance to win the nomination and the Presidency, which would upset her plans for a 2008 run.

[Doctor Pedantic]

26. Couldn't Agree More

Hillary's only chance is to present herself as the Clinton who doesn't lie. She promised repeatedly that she wouldn't do this, and she's toast if she jumps in now. I'm sure she was operating on the assumption that she could run in 2008, and now may regret that since it's feasible that Bush is going to lose next year. Still, I think it would be a terrible move for her politically.

[onehandle]

11. Bullshit!

Total Bullshit. Ignore that troll Drudge.

[ringmastery]

14. This is not a drudge story

RICHARD REEVES is the author of 12 books, including President Nixon: Alone in the White House. He has written for the New York Times, the New Yorker, Esquire and dozens of other publications.

[onehandle]

16. Still bullshit. nt

nt

[spooky3]

18. ??? I'm confused

??? I thought ringmastery said atop his post the headline appeared on Drudge??

From our recent experience, governors have a better shot at the presidency than do Senators.

[sangh0]

12. Don't be naive

The right wingers love to use this to raise funds.

[CMT]

15. If true I'm staying with Dean

Hillary pledged not to run this year to the people of NY in 2002--okay, but she kept saying that she would maintain that pledge when Bush was at 70% and seemed unbeatable (though really he always has been beatable with the right candidate). Now that his poll numbers are declining she might get in the race? I'd rather back a candidate who had the guts to get into this when he "seemed" so popular with the country.

But I doubt she actually will run.

[ringmastery]

20. it's possible

Nobody thought Arnold would run either. Politics is a crazy business. It's certainly a gamble for her, but it might be her only shot. Would Hillary risk getting locked out of the nomination till 2012 when she would be 65 years old?

Bill Clinton broke a promise not to run for president too. Wellstone broke a promise not to run for senator. It's politics.

[CMT]

29. pledge part doesn't really bother me

as you mentioned others have done it. It is the idea that she wouldn't take on Bush when he seemed invincible that bothers me. Only now that he seems less so?

I don't know this is all heresay--we will have to wait and see. I still don't think she will.

[Terwilliger]

23. If Hillary runs for president in 04

you people can have it...I'll never vote Democrat again. Its got to be JUST ONCE that you stand up and say "This is complete and total bullshit"

[OKNancy]

37. I'm a rabid partisan Democrat

and I agree with you!!

Now, let's go iceskate in hell...lol

[indigo32]

28. Nope

I'm not down with Hilary this time round... and would really prefer never.

[oasis]

31. Take back the Senate in 2004. My spouse recieved a fund-raiser

letter for this last week. Hillary said in the letter:

"I'm writing you on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC)."

She's been busy with this Dem party project,her senatorial duties,and her book . Hillary is learning day by day in the senate. She listens and she is aware this is not yet her time.

To end all of the "2008" murmurings, Hillary stated in an interview that she hoped the winning Dem in 2004 would be a two termer. Since she said she would serve out her term as NY senator,it's plain she'll not run until 2012.

[tom_paine]

32. JESUS PEOPLE, LET THIS THREAD DIE

It's a troll-fest! Just what we need, more internecine bashing fighting and squabbling!

perhaps it's just what Karl Rove needs

[nn2004]

34. Why would America choose Clinton over Dean?

Dean has more experience and is anti-war. What credentials does Clinton have over Dean and I don't mean name recognition.

[oasis]

35. America isn't necessarily against the invasion of Iraq. So that's

not as much a plus for Dean. Among Democrats, he would be in a tug of war with hillary for women voters.

[jagguy]

49. She's seen a lot more of what happens in the WH than Howie

And name recognition is HUGE.

And she has no Y chromosome. And if she hasn't allienated too many women, she's one that could get swing females in droves.

Nothing against Vermont but there isn't too much big league politics happening there. He's nothing nationally, she at least headed up a nationwide look at healthcare. That qualification thing really doesn't fly.

[Melinda]

36. Get a clue from DU, Hilary - stay away in 04

[Robb]

40. I disagree with the premise

...that Clinton would only mobilize the GOP element. I believe her "reluctant" run would energize the left as well, as the predictable bashing (and misogyny) from the right began.

History shows that where there's a fight on, voters come out across the board. We know there's more of "us" out there (especially with strong opinions on the elements that would compose this "fight"), so she'd win.

IF she goes in swingin'.

[Catherine Vincent]

38. He's half right. The discussion will be the '08 run.

Hillary!

:)

[oasis]

39. If a Dem wins, it'll be 2012. And Hillary wants a Dem to win.

[redeye]

59. Does she?

It'll delay her presidential run in 4 years.

[oasis]

62. The pundits were going on for months about Hillary in 2008 which

could undercut any Dem running in 2004. In an interview earlier this summer, Hillary stated that (1) she was not running in 2004 (2) she wanted Bush out of the White House in 2004 (3)she hoped any Democrat that replaced Bush would serve two terms.

Since then I haven't noticed Begala on "Crossfire" mentioning Hillary in 2008. He was the main offender.

The interview in which she made the two termer statement was either on the Larry King or Charlie Rose show. She was a guest on both shows during her book tour.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I'm Suprised Nobody Mentioned In This Thread

that HRC voted for the Iraq War Resolution.

[Doctor Pedantic]

43. Right, but

There are at least two other threads on this same topic...overkill, people?!....and someone mentioned it elsewhere. I think most of us agree that's a big negative.

[Shanty Oilish]

44. She's not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

Too risky. She's a woman, she's controversial, R's despise her and the campaign would be filthy dirty on their part. She'd be reversing herself on pledge to finish her Senate term, straddling like Lieberman did. Plus I believe she's too uncertain of Al Gore, who might just change his mind if she got in the race.

[gulliver]

45. RNC con job to rile right wingers.

Hillary's going to run! Hillary's going to run! Get out your checkbooks, right wingers. Stop listening to all of this talk about WMD and tens of billions of your tax dollars to Iraq! Hillary's running! Hillary's running!

There is no chance at all that Hillary will run in '04. Anything to the contrary is complete BS.

[Fescue4u]

47. Hillary = Guaranteed Bush Victory

NOT what we need

[Capn Sunshine]

50. Hilary on her worst day =10x popular

Bush can't break 50% approval
Hillary is the most admired woman in the world per many many polls.


who are YOU listening to?

[jagguy]

57. and at the same time the most reviled, no middle ground with her

love her or hate her and its passionate both ways.

Because of that, mudslinging could have an effect.

[librechik]

48. Only if her running mate is Dr Kervorkian

because that would be suicide for us Dems. I like Hillary, but the hate is too strong out there right now. I don't want to watch that bloodbath.

We need to break it to the pugs gently that they are not the Droids we are looking for, not with a thorny club. The most righteous ending for this story would be for Gore to get the nom, and then name Hillary vp. But that's in 2012. And in a novel. A Sci Fi Novel.

Maybe in a few years the American Public will accept a female president--and that's not even taking into account the whole Clinton history. Hillary should wait until every controlling testosterone addled John Bircher fascist in my Dad's generation is dead. Those evil old farts will never let her happen. They didn't want Wellstone to happen either. And I wouldn't wish that sort of thing on Hillary.

These sons o bitches can't live forever, even with artificial hearts. If she waits until twelve, she could win.

[caledesi]

51. Hillary is NOT running.

How do I know? Because I read (please don't ask me where...not the Inquirer) that before Howard Dean ran, he contacted HC and asked her whether she intended to run, bec if she did, he wasn't going to run.

[jagguy]

53. oh please

she told everyone that to get past the senate pledge. Besides the odd little fib is not unknown to her.

[caledesi]

61. She told HD AFTER she became senator, not before.

[Rooktoven]

55. Only because she said she'd finish her term.

I think she has to wait-- and become sentate MAJORITY leader. 2012 is the one to hope for, if she still wants to.

I see her as being one of the greatest senators ever.

Hilary thoughts--

(Acknowledging a crush on her)

If anyone ever calls Bill Clinton a dumbass, remind them that he graduated sixth in his law class at Yale. After the "Yeah, but--", say "Do you know who graduated first?"

Hilary has already proven to be one of the most efficient freshman senators _ever_ . And even if you don't agree with her on everything (the war, etc), one is hard-pressed not to see her as an incredibly positive example for women in America.

I often refer to "Hilary Clinton Syndrome". "Hilary Clinton Syndrome" is the abject fear a man may have when he knows that a woman is smarter than he is..

[redeye]

58. Please no!

A few reasons why I won't vote for Hillary:

1. She voted for the war, right after she spoke agaisnt it. Flip-flopping is too soft a term to describe that.

2. She's an opportunist, as seen in her switching states to be elected to the Senate more easily, and in her overdose of populism. Sorry, but I won't vote for someone who changes her opinions according to what the polls say.

3. She, Daschle, and Gephardt are the main proponents of the Repub-lite strategy - don't criticize Bush, wait for a better time, don't do anything, nod for the sake of bipartianship.

4. She's term limited - she was president from 1992 to 2000 ;) (OTOH, so is Barbara Bush who was president from 1988 to 1992 and is now president again).

So please, Hill, do us all a favor and don't run - it'll be nice if you don't run for reelection either in 2006, but let's start with keeping your spineless self out of the Democratic primary.

[Robbien]

60. Har. Gotcha.

And while you are being preoccupied with Hillary, guess what is going on around you.

Too busy with Hillary? Good!

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