Hillary Clinton would massacre George Dubya Bush!

[trumad]

These wimpy ass comments from some of my fellow Dems have me laughing out loud. NO HILLARY...Now's not a good time.!!.. OH HILL!!! YOU PROMISED US NEW YORKERS,,. Snarf... Fuck New York! There are 49 other states in the big old US of A who need some serious saving... I'm sure good old New York will let Hill out of her promise so that she can save this Country.

She would beat Bunnypants to a pulp..... And imagine if she did announce... 1/2 of the repukes would immediately die from coronary embolisms!

[oasis]

1. If she ran she would smash the Chimp. I'll take her at her word.

Not running.

[wuushew]

2. Fuck her and her Iraq war resolution!

we are trying to move the party left remember

[Jacobin]

5. Beat me to it

She didn't have have the decency to meet with the protestors who tried to meet with her before she cast her war crime vote

[papau]

23. Check the posters web site-Hillary was not in town and did not expect them

They are very supportive of Hillary!

[Pepperbelly]

25. war crime vote?

Have I missed some proceeding or something or, could this be just more hysterical, hyporbole?

[ButterflyBlood]

10. right on

Fuck Hillary. She's a worthless DLC shill, just like Liebercrap.

[wuushew]

13. Her info must be as bad as bush's

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.


http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/speeches/iraq_101002.html

[Pepperbelly]

24. speak for yourself ...

or is that a mouse in your pocket? Which WE are you talking about?

[Maple]

3. No chance whatever

.

[Clete]

4. Hmm. I dunno.

I am a little unsettled by this. It almost seems as if she was counting on another four years of Bush, in order to run in 2008. But since Dean, Clark and the other contenders are doing better than expected, is she afraid that she would have to wait until 2012 to run?

On the other hand, a wicked part of me would like to see her upset Bush. I want to see Bush walking out of the White House, while Bill Clinton walks back in, even if it's as first husband.

[Jacobin]

14. I think we have a winner.

If Dean or Clark wins in 2004, they have a good shot at staying for 8 years. If Smirk wins in 2004, she thinks she can beat Jebbie in 2008.

Self centered ploy. To much PNACing going on with ole Hillary.

Not to mention that she has NO chance in the midwest or south.

[Yupster]

29. I'm perfectly comfortable

with the nine candidates currently running.

I could easily vote for any of five of them. I really haven't chosen a side in the primaries yet, and may not.

If Hillary runs, I would gladly vote for any of five of the ten candidates.

[ButterflyBlood]

6. no way

If Gore couldn't win by a large enough margin to prevent election theft, she can't, since I can't see anyone who didn't vote for Gore voting for her. Besides, the election needs to be about Bush. Our candidate needs to just be able to trash him and get the voters to reject Bush. We can't have a candidate high profile enough that people will reject her. Hillary has too much baggage and is way too polarizing.

[bearfartinthewoods]

7. gee...three Hill threads on the first page at one time n/t

[Robbien]

28. Yep, the distraction is working.

Got to give credit to the neocons, they know their opposition.

[bearfartinthewoods]

32. i'm almost tempted to don my biohazard suit and venture into freepland

to see how they are taking the "news"

[sistersofmercy]

8. Hope she does, I agree just worried about misogamy and dummies

who believe whitewater crap, dems even, hard to understand but yet true.

[RamboLiberal]

9. Sorry - she'd be a disaster for the Dems

The RW have done a good job of polarizing much of the country against her.

She might even win the popular vote - but I bet she'd lose the electoral.

I like the her, bought her book, but I'd have a hard time being excited her as the Dem candidate - I think she'd have a helluva time selling herself in the rest of the country.

Dems need a fresh face running. I'd say best chance for us is Dean and/or Clark.

[sistersofmercy]

17. Ah but wouldn't dean as pres, hil as vp, clark sec fo defense be great .

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

11. Sorry

She couldn't beat him, a lot of people have tired of "The Clintons" and wouldn't vote for her- I'd rather have Hillary in the Senate than nowhere at all.

[corarose]

21. Republicans are sick of the Clinton's due to Jealousy

:kick:

[donco6]

12. So why is it that Dems can't smash Bush . . .

. . . *without* running for office? What's wrong with having a backbone even when you aren't a candidate for higher office?

Honestly, I'm a little disgusted with the lot of them lately. They should ALL be displaying a bit of "righteous anger" right now.

[MidwestTransplant]

15. I don't think she could exceed 40% of the vote

under nearly any circumstance.

[Democrats unite]

16. trumad thank you for saying what you said

And I loved how you said it.

to me it seems we have some people here just itching to be a freeper!

As to anyone who say's we are trying to move to the left, thats true, but if you go to far to the left, you'll do what the right has done and fall off the cliff.

[wuushew]

18. Are you sure the GOP has fallen off a cliff?

They control all three branches of government?

[Democrats unite]

20. They are hanging on to a tree branch on the side of the cliff

And yes I believe that come November 2004 that branch will break, Thats if it doesn't before then.

[corarose]

19. Bring it on!

The PIECE OF SHIT would run off the stage if he debated Hillary.

[alcuno]

22. She would lose the nomination, but I still think she should get in

because whoever beat Hillary Clinton would receive considerable support from independents and errant Democrats who were turned off by the Clintons.

[trumad]

26. Well...guess what

The er..."independents and errant Democrats" who were "turned off by the Clintons" are just a bunch of dumb asses who allow a blow job to cloud their dumb ass pee brained minds. How in the hell could anyone be turned off by 8 years of Prosperity ... So the dumb ass "independents and errant Democrats" gonna vote for Bunnypants over Hill because of what?

OH...and the presumptious poster up above telling me that "were" trying to get the party more left. :wtf: How left do you fucking want it? You simply don't get it do you?

[YouNotMyBoss]

27. So why not go for it?

Why wait or take a chance on losing in 2004?

[diamond14]

30. President Hillary and VP Bill....it's the dream team that can

easily BOOT bush* in 2004, just with the names in their rolodex's....every woman in America admires Hillary (and that's over half the voters just there)...people can be reminded how GOOD things were with the Clinton/Gore economy, jobs, prosperity....the DOW was 11,600 and going up when shrub took over...and then everyone lost their retirements under shrub....Hillary wants healthcare for all...and she's a good leader....welcome Senator Hillary Clinton, back to the White House...and if she wants to run, she is strong and won't be deterred by all the right-ring rhetoric...she stood up to all of them and won the Senator's seat from New York...hahahahaha...women know that Hillary was the woman behind the Presidency (and she was really the one in charge).....lots of women will vote for Hillary just because it's time for a woman to be President....GO Hillary...

Clinton/Clinton in 2004
Bring back PEACE and PROSPERITY

on edit: Democratic war votes will rapidly turn into a non-issue as the election heats up....Democrats will all blame bush* for lying about WMD, yellowcake, the dossier...all that...bush* lied...and it'll all come out during the campaign...the Democrats are already sitting pretty on that one...and shrub's glorious conquests are just TWO big costly quagmires already....shrub's done...losing to an 'unknown' Democrat already...it's great...

[opihimoimoi]

31. Such is politics, 11 maybe 12 good people running for 1 spot.

Much to choose from, out of the group 1 will survive, the others licking their wounds but staying in the camp to assist in defeating the common opponent Shrub.

I happen to agree she would make a very good prez. Some of the things voters will look at:

1, Class; she has it, Bush don't

2, Intelect, she got, Bush don't

3, Articulate, she can, Bush cannot

4, Poise, she has, Bush no

5, Support, Dems will give it to her, GoP will go Bush, Indies: ?
The determining factor::: Women. They are hurting under Bush big
time. They know what is going on. When Hilliary speaks, they
will listen, not so Bush, they don't know what he is saying.

6, Trust, after the yellow cake thing, who can trust Bush? More
people will trust her than the Shrub

7, Convincing, she can, Bush is big loser in this one.

8, History, she a winner, he a loser

9, Heart, she got, he not

10, Writing, she can, he, he, he, has he?? Has the Shrub written any-
thing??

And there you have it, the top ten reasons Hilliary can kick Bush's ass. Should there be a debate, its over.

Come, we make plans for helping the Dem Party regain Sanity and Reason to the White House.

[CBHagman]

41. I agree with you about her characteristics, but...

...it appears that quite a few adults in this country have already developed visceral reactions to Hillary, and I think she would be better off building her political career before jumping into a presidential race. Let the country wake up to what they've been sold under the Bush administration.

Hillary is smart enough to know that she needs a solid strategy behind her campaign. Running in 2004 could backfire, for the simple reason that a lot of people have bought the demonization line about her.

Yes, I have met true Hillary fans, of varying ages, and I know that no one but J.K. Rowling could top her book tour crowds (well, maybe the Big Dog will when he publishes his book, but that's another time).

Still, I keep meeting perfectly reasonable folks -- New Deal types, college-educated soccer moms -- who buy the bunk about the Clintons being parasites and corrupt. I think some of it's resentment at Hillary's status and success, and some of it is just weariness from years of reporting on the so-called "scandals." Never mind that Bush is as secretive as Nixon, as corrupt as Reagan or Harding, and as lacking in intellectual curiosity and sensitivity as anyone I've ever seen. The press has given Bush a pass, while it hammered the Clintons, and a lot of people are duped.

Keep your powder dry. We WILL have a woman president, and we will have political changes in this country. The demographics will help us in that.

[jumptheshadow]

33. Oh, please let her not run

If she runs then we will have another year of focusing on the personal history of the Clintons rather than the very real life-and-death issues we are facing now. Other candidates will address those issues much more effectively. Give us a Clark or a Dean or a Kerry. Please!

I hope the Clintons put aside their personal ambitions and help our collective cause by energizing the voters in the situations where they clearly can help.

[Sinistrous]

36. Agree totally.

I grant that Hillary Clinton outshines and out-classes bush in any and all parameters. However, the depth and breadth of the hate-Hillary sentiment is astounding.

I believe her candidacy this year would result in a defeat for the Democrats that would make the Eugene McCarthy loss look like a victory.

A Hillary Clinton candidacy would be a disaster.

[emad]

34. it would be interesting to compare her dna

to donny 'dummy' rumsfeld

[Liberal Veteran]

35. I will not encourage or support a Hillary 2004 run.

I like Hillary Clinton. I think she's a damn smart person who would make a damned fine president, but first and foremost I am a realist.

The nation is still pretty much evenly split down the middle and we need someone without all the baggage that would inevitably come with Hillary running. Hatred of all things Hillary (who I think the conservatives hate even more than Bill and borders on a pathological disorder) is still rampant and to be honest, our country is still set in sexist ways and many people would still be uncomfortable with a female president, no matter how qualified.

Under those circumstances, I just don't see how she can win. I don't think it's a risk I would be willing to take.

[IrateCitizen]

37. Not a chance in hell!

Not only do I think that Dubya would trounce Hillary, I also do not think that she is all that great. In fact, as a progressive NYer, I think she sucks, considering that she is from one of the most liberal states in the Union. Her war vote alone -- she gave a speech urging NOT to go to war and then voted for the damned thing anyway! -- is a disqualifier to many on the left.

And it's far from my view alone. I have seen many posts on the NY State Young Dems discussion boards stating complete dissatisfaction with her performance -- the majority coming from people who were enthused enough about her initially to volunteer to her Senatorial campaign in 2000.

She'd galvanize the RW against her, along with turning off progressives in droves. She'd make McGovern, Dukakis and Mondale look like juggernaughts compared to the electoral performance she'd put forward.

[Sweetpea]

38. She may not survive the press coverage.

[ArkDem]

39. The MOMENT her private polling shows she can win

she WILL throw her hat in the ring.

[trumad]

40. It's funny how even DU'ers underestimate Hill

When her book came out there were mobs of folks who lined up just to see her.. For some reason DU'er trump up the numbers of hater of Hill while ignoring her huge popularity... Now why is that?

[ArkDem]

42. She does have very high POSITIVE and

NEGATIVE ratings. She is one person that there really is no in between. You either love her or hate her. I'm ambivilant, however.

[crissy71]

43. If their research gives her the best chance

of the Dem nominees, she'll run for the good of the party. I'm offended by all the posts that talk about the Clinton's "ambition" as if all they care about are themselves - freeper talk for sure and not worthy of DU posters. Shame on you!

Hillary is too smart to run without knowing she can win - I think she's become less polarizing, and when she ran for the Senate she won over a lot of conservatives and independents in Upstate NY by running a smart, issues oriented campaign. She's a pro - Bill's a pro - we're lucky to have them.