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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 03:45 PM
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BBV - Johnson County KS, buys 1305 new touchscreens
and trades in ALL 860 of the existing ones. As if the existing 860 weren't bad enough.

"Schmidt said Johnson County's machines store an electronic image of each ballot cast, and the images can be printed individually using letter-size paper and a laser printer if a re-count is needed. The county has conducted one such re-count, she said."

Hey Connie - how do you store an image of something that never existed in the first place? Your recount is nothing more than a reprint, with some additional smoke and mirrors.

"The county is trading in all 860 of the touch-screen machines that voters have used since 2002 for 1,305 upgraded models, said Connie Schmidt, election commissioner.
(snip)
The $1.6 million purchase allows the county to place extra machines at precincts where voter turnout is expected to be the highest, in an effort to reduce waiting times on Election Day."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/9828261.htm?1c
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 03:47 PM
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1. Well, Kathleen Sebilius (D) won the Governorship 52%-45% on those machines
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 03:48 PM
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2. ah, then they must have been 'defective'
that's why they're replacing them, no doubt. :tinfoilhat:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:04 PM
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3. hmmm
Dennis Moore also won on those machines - must be why they're replacing 'em. God knows we need another wingnut in congress.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:52 AM
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19. wasn't the Repuke primary Diebolded
it was too close for comfort
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:52 PM
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8. I love Kathleen Sebelius, however husband is a Republican and
I believe both families come from strong political roots. I think primarily Republican.



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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:04 PM
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16. No, Kathleen's Father was the Democratic Governor of Ohio....
and she led the Democratic Delagation at the DNC!
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:26 PM
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4. The Old Machines....
are Diebold AccuVote TS machines. Does anyone know what they are replacing them with? TSx?

Something that comes to mind and that is an argument against these machines, is the fact that they have a life-span of 8 to 12 years. After that each county is going to have to pay to dump those old computers in hazardous waste. Also, during their life span they are going to go through batteries at $1000 a piece.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:46 PM
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7. I believe that they are TSx
I'm inferring this from one of Bev's posts on the decertification of the TSx in California.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0404/S00199.htm

"The batteries kept dying, even when the machines were in transit only for a short time. But the batteries didnt even need to run down; when they got low, the machines lost their software.

The techs warned everyone who would listen that this was going to be a problem on election day. Diebold instructed them to ship the machines out around to various counties Though Diebold's technical data specs for the TSx machines specify that Diebold is ISO compliant (a quality management system for software) no attempt was made to follow even the most basic quality control standards to comply with ISO 9000. Most machines were not even tested after the patches.

The batteries kept dying, even when the machines were in transit only for a short time. But the batteries didnt even need to run down; when they got low, the machines lost their software.

The techs warned everyone who would listen that this was going to be a problem on election day. Diebold instructed them to ship the machines out around to various counties (and to Johnson County, Kansas) despite the flaws. The encoders did indeed fail on election day, causing many,many people to lose their ability to vote at all."

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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:29 PM
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5. This is why I'm going with advance voting.
It's allowed here, in JoCo. I'll be mailing my ballot in.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 06:08 PM
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13. TAKE your ballot in
Don't mail if you don't have to.

Takes one of the potential problems out of the loop.


In my county, there is a ballot box right in the auditor's office.
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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 06:22 PM
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14. I'll have to check this out
I just want my damn vote counted, Johnson County, KS, or not!!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:40 PM
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6. Umm, this sounds rather useless
Why don't these people contact some computer science professors at a local university and get a basic understanding of how computers work?
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 06:49 PM
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15. Those People Get All The Training They Need...
or that the vendors want them to have. TheElectionCenter instructs them in how to talk to the media and to their constituents. The vendors and their lobbiest, ITAA, drill into them how safe these machines are. Once a county has made the jump they are hooked and can't get off of the needle. Once they spend the money they would have to admit that they were wrong and we know that won't be done.

The vendors do everything they can to get as much money as they can out of counties and states. Look at King Co., WA (Seattle). They use Diebold precinct-based and central count optical scan machines. The GEMS management software had a bug that did not allow the software to county correctly when it was counting ballots like the ones we were forced to use this year. It was a vendor problem and not a county problem.

However, Diebold made their offer; either the county paid $94,000 to patch the buggy software or they paid $1,276,000 for Diebold to print their ballots in a different style with no guarantees that the ballots would be mistake-free or mailed without problems. The county chose to go with the bug patch, of course; and then they had to lie and conceal the facts from the tax payers.

The vendors are crooks who are out to get as much money as they can from the taxpayers. I really don't think they have a political agenda; just money.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:17 PM
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18. If They Were Only After Money, We Would not be So Worried
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 10:18 PM by AndyTiedye
> The vendors are crooks who are out to get as much money as they can from the
> taxpayers. I really don't think they have a political agenda; just money.

Wally O'Dell, who's the CEO of Diebold, an electronic voting machine company, said in Ohio at a fundraiser, "I'm committed to helping Ohio deliver the electoral votes to the President next year."

(from Buzzflash, and widely reported elsewhere)

and there's more:

Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: the corporate lines--even the bloodlines--of these "competitors" are so intricately mixed. For example, at Diebold--whose corporate chief, Wally O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, has publicly committed himself to "delivering" his home state's votes to Bush next year--the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked in the vote-count business by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing "steering group" stacked with Bushist faithful.

Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, an extremist faction that openly advocates a theocratic takeover of American democracy, with the imposition of strict Christian dominion, placing "the state, the school, the arts and sciences, law, economics, and every other sphere under Christ the King." This "dominion" includes the death penalty for homosexuals, exclusion of citizenship for non-Christians, stoning of sinners and--we kid you not--slavery, "one of the most beneficent of Biblical laws." As the movement's leader--and Ahmanson's fellow CNP member--R.J. Rushdoony puts it: "The Christian should therefore not fear laws in support of Christian social goals just because they interfere with personal freedom."

Ahmanson also holds a major stake in ES&S, where he's joined by Republican Senator Chuck Hagel. Before his ascension to high office, Hagel was CEO of an earlier ES&S incarnation. Thus, when he ran for the Senate, his own company counted the votes. Needless to say, his initial victory was reported as "an amazing upset." Hagel still has a million-dollar stake in the parent company of ES&S. In Florida, Jeb Bush's first choice for a running mate in his 1998 gubernatorial race was ES&S lobbyist Sandra Mortham, who made a mint installing the machines that counted Jeb's votes.


Sequoia also has a colorful history, most recently in Louisiana, where it was the center of a massive corruption case that sent top state officials to jail for bribery, most of it funneled through Mob-connected front firms. Sequoia executives were also indicted, but escaped trial after giving immunized testimony against state officials. The company's corporate parent is the UK communications and printing firm De La Rue, which even as we speak is churning out the colonial currency notes for the new Iraq, courtesy of a hefty Coalition contract. De La Rue, in turn, is owned by the private equity firm Madison Dearborn--a partner of the Carlyle Group, where George Bush I makes millions trolling the world for war pork, privatizations and sweetheart deals with government insiders.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/sep03_vote-rigging.html
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:53 PM
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9. Hmmm...the Johnson County, KS that is sickeningly conservative?
Have step relatives that live there. I guess they are about the only liberals in the county.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:00 PM
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10. All of Kansas is sickeningly conserative IMO...
Living in Wichita I see and hear enough of it,but this year there are a hell of a lot of Kerry signs around. Many more Dem signs than I remember when Clinton ran against Bush.

David
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:01 PM
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11. All but Wyanotte County
Wyandotte County (Kansas City, KS) is Dem country. Sometimes a few other counties go our way, but they are few and far between.
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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:02 PM
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12. No, I live there, and a lot of my friends are liberals..
I haven't seen a lot of Bush/Cheney signs here, like the 2000 election. I hope against hope the tide's changing.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:24 PM
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17. Kick
:kick:
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