Freeper thinks JE outed Crashcart's daughter

[apnu]

Laughable...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1236463/posts
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John Edward's Outs Cheney's daughter as gay on national TV...

Posted on 10/05/2004 9:14:26 PM PDT by njsketch

Did anyone else believe that Edward's had no right to announce to the entire world that Cheney's daughter is gay? No matter if she is out to family and friends, I found it kind of appalling that John Edward's would use this fact about Cheney's family to announce it to the country. Memo to John: SHOVE IT.
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[Maple]

1. Everyone in the country knows it

[Kurovski]

22. Maybe it never made it to Fox?

?

[Hobarticus]

2. What do you expect? A freeper to be informed?

Thanks for the laugh!

[LisaLynne]

3. Obviously, this Freeper is uninformed ...

either of the fact that EVERYBODY knows the sexual orientation of Crashcart's daughter or of what 'outed' means. What do we expect at this point? I suppose we should be used to it!

[soothsayer]

4. lol! too funny!

[Lugnut]

5. ROTFLMAO....

It's hard to believe anyone is that stupid.

[tedoll78]

6. What's particularly interesting..

is how Cheney had absolutely no response to Edwards after Edwards' response. I was convinced that he'd want to add more to the conversation.

Then again.. it would be logical that Cheney would want to get off of that topic ASAP..

[apnu]

7. yeah he completely bunted on several issues, that one being the most...

... notable. He did the same thing basically when Haliburton was mentioned.

[JimmyJazz]

46. He didn't have a response because he agrees with Edwards -

Right before that exchange Cheney clearly said all people deserve to have certain freedoms, meaning he is not in favor of an amendment to ban gay marriage. What else could Cheney possibly say when you agree wholeheartedly with what the other person just said, "me, too?"
He had NO REBUTTAL. Even Cheney couldn't conger up a lie about that one.

[missjudy6]

50. the only time I thought he was human

was when cheney implied he was against banning gay marriages.
I guess that was the exception to prove the rule.

[JimmyJazz]

58. I agree. I think he actually understands that if an amendment were

passed on this issue, it would be the ONLY amendment specifically designed to exclude a group of people and that, in and of itself, makes it unconstitutional.

Cheney can be such a liar on so many issues, but I am glad that he, albeit subtly, disagrees with Bush on this issue.

Welcome to DU :hi:

[Kat45]

8. That freeper must be the only person who DIDN'T know it!

LOL

[0007]

28. The one issue that isn't a secrecy with the GOP and with Cheney

[FDRrocks]

9. She out already obviously but it was a low blow

and, to the general public i would suppose, looks really bad. I think the way Dick replied accentuated on the possible negatives in Edwards statement. I think his daughter could've been avoided as an issue on the whole, we already got alot of leverage on our side (i.e. the truth).

Dick pulled out alot more low blows though, but Edwards came right back, especially on voting records, Edwards owned Cheney.

[Neshanic]

10. Low blow? What is she invisible?

[Mike Daniels]

38. She's campaigning for Bush and Cheney so the thing's a non-issue for her

Given that Cheney's daughter is campaigning for a team that would deny her the right to marry either means that the issue is a non-starter for her personally.

Therefore, to bring her up specifically was sort of pointless on the part of Edwards.

[apnu]

12. how is it a low blow? the question was framed around his daughter...

... in the first place!

[FDRrocks]

13. I just don't think it looked good for Edwards

Of course Cheney, if I recall from what I read here, told GWB (of course, politcally useless) that he doesn't really support the anti-gay tone and legistlation.

It's just fodder than RNC mindfucked people will feed on that do not know any better. Two callers on C-Span's post debate footage spewed off about this and I think it is about the only comment the corporate press can run off with to use against Edwards in this debate. Not every American steps outside of the intellectual void that they are stuck in by paying attention to only domestic press, and certainly many undecided voters skipped this debate.

The soundbites will hurt, just like Kerry's "Global Test" was present in a non-contextual way, this could be easily emulated by the AM radio squeelers.

[KayLaw]

26. I think it looked just great for Edwards

Dick Cheney had just talked about it in public, the moderator brought it up, and Edwards handled it so sensitively that Cheney actually thanked him for his kindness!

[LizW]

31. Freep mindset about having a gay child

Sure you love her, we just don't want anyone talking openly about her.

Bottom line is, talking about the gay daughter makes the freeps nervous. John Edwards talked about her openly as an acceptable and normal person loved by her mother and father. The freeps get all squirmy with that because it collides with their agenda of hate-mongering against gays.

(Edited for typo.)

[meow2u3]

39. You might have missed the point

The underlying point of Edwards' comment about Cheney's daughter is Sneery O'Scowl's hypocrisy on gay rights. He thinks gays should not be protected from job and/or housing discrimination, and that terrorists should be allowed to use'em as punching bags, even if it includes his own daughter. At least, that's the impression I got.

[Selwynn]

60. That's the only impression one who watched the debate COULD get

honestly...

[lakemonster11]

20. I know.

They totally missed that on their site.

[theHandpuppet]

35. You're WRONG

Mary Cheney has been an out lesbian for years, one who has used her high profile to *actively recruit* GLBT folks into the Republican Party. She also collects a SIX FIGURE SALARY working for the Bush/Cheney reselection campaign, one which has made bashing gays a political game to please the evangelicals.

Mary Cheney is the ultimate, sellout HYPOCRITE and a traitor to the GLBT community. I have absolutely NO sympathy for her or for her family. NONE.

Want the truth? Visit http://dearmary.com/

[txindy]

43. Cheney had a press conf. about his daughter right before the RNC

He used the NYC skyline as a backdrop. It was CHENEY who told the news media and all 6 supporters present that Mary is gay. Cheney. Not John Edwards. That's why it was even more hypocritical of him not to have his daughter join him and the rest of the family on the stage at the RNC. He had just had a press conference and yet he still shunned her in front of his base. They saw the press conf., but he didn't want to 'offend' them in person on stage. Hypocrite.

[JimmyJazz]

47. lower than say, being banned from the RNC stage at the

end of the convention?

[tabasco]

53. I agree that he should not have mentioned her.

Not that he was outing her, of course, but it appeared rather inappropriate.

[Selwynn]

59. Read my lips:

:wtf:

[Swamp Rat]

11. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OW! My stomach hurts! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Dallas Suzy Q]

14. Freepers Sleep in Closets

Jeez Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. cheney's daughter is out to the entire world is such old news.

How about Paul croch the Trinity Broadcasting guy and secert gay. That's news.

Or Drier of California another self hating republican outed gay guy.

Suzy

[swag]

15. Perhaps my recollection is faulty, but didn't Cheney discuss her gayness

in his smoochfest four years ago with Holy Joe?

[swag]

16. "Lynne and I have a gay daughter."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/25/MNGHQ8DV6Q1.DTL

[marlakay]

17. who in US doesn't know she's gay? n/t

[Booster]

18. Remember during the Repug convention Cheney's daughter

brought her significant other, but they were apparently not invited to go up on stage at the end. Did this stupid freeper even watch the convention?

[Raster]

19. FYI njsketch: Before mary cheney's gig with the re-selection committee....

...she was the GAY LIAISON between the GAY community and Coors Brewing. I think you have to be GAY to be the GAY LIAISON, and probably openly GAY to boot. Just a thought...

[NVMojo]

21. yeah, coors from the rockies ...

well, they will probably use it against Edwards to create a sympathic Cheney image. Kinda sick but these people will do anything now that they are sinking in the polls and so quickly ....

it is a known psycological thing that people want to rescue the underdog and someone I think Cheney was playing right into that role for a reason ...and then again, I kept thinking Cheney didn't feel he needed to do anything really tonight as they already know they are going to win the election for whatever sick strategic reason they may have.

[KayLaw]

27. Use what against Edwards?

He's not the one who brought up Mary Cheney, it was the moderator who was referring to what Dick Cheney said about his gay daughter. Edwards had nothing to do with this subject and after his brief response, Dick Cheney gave him what seemed to be a heartfelt thanks for Edwards kind words about Mary and his family. He was kindness personified, for Pete's sake!

[Steelangel]

23. what...?

neocons bashed gays & lesbians right and left in their wakes for long time. Then they complained that Edward brought it up (He obviously didn't bash)

That must be new far-fetched spin by neocons or something.. can't they just stick to decisions that they made?

To Freeper: no, no you SHOVE IT.

[lakemonster11]

45. He didn't even bring it up.

The moderator framed the question around her, although she and Cheney avoided saying "gay" for some reason. All Edwards did differently is actually refer to her as "gay," which, in itself, is not shocking or insulting unless you think like a homophobe, which, obviously, Edwards doesn't.

[Piperay]

24. Haha, WHERE has this idiot been???

Oh yeah, that's right, he been under a slimey rock where all freakers keep their heads. This 'genuis' must be the last American not to know Cheney's daughter is gay. :silly:

[Judi Lynn]

25. This feeble freep wasn't paying attention

The moderator referred to the gay daughter BEFORE John Edwards touched on the subject. From the transcript:

IFILL: The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.

I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting: "Freedom means freedom for everybody." You said it again recently when you were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. And you used your family's experience as a context for your remarks.

Can you describe then your administration's support for a constitutional ban on same-sex unions?
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http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3786726/detail.html

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If they want to be credible, they must be telling the truth, wouldn't you think?

_George would want everyone to tell the truth. That's just the way he is. He WORKS HARD to be truthful himself.

[johnnie]

29. C-span

I heard two callers last night saying this same thing. I was wondering if they even know that the world knows this already. I guess the freepers want her to "stay in the closet".

[Ganja Ninja]

30. Freepers desperately trying to manufacture outrage.

It's been common knowledge for a long time now but look at the way these morons are piling on. The farther down the thread goes the more idiotic and contrived it gets.

[OneTwentyoNine]

32. What did that post say yesterday about FOX viewers being LESS informed

Well...right here you have crystal clear proof of that study. It truww,it truwwww.....


David

[Hello_Kitty]

33. Gee, this freeper's concern seems a little inconsistent

With the general wingnut view that gays are evil sodomites who deserve to fry in hell. Am I to believe that they are now suddenly sensitive to the feelings of the unwillingly 'outed'? Puh-leeze :eyes:

[Pragmatique]

34. Shove what?

My response is that John Edwards did "shove it." He skillfully shoved it right down the throats of the self-righteous religious right. The Republicans have been posturing as the "pro marriage" anti-gay party as a way of pandering to the pro-Bush bible babblers, but last night Edwards shrewdly and effectively squelched the notion that the Democrats are the only party harboring gays. After last night's debate the Republicans lost ground as the party of choice for gay bashers, thanks to John Edwards.

[FizzFuzz]

56. gooooood point! n/t

[Radio-Active]

36. it doesn't matter

Mary Cheney obviously wasn't offended. Not only did she shake John Edwards's hand afterwards, but she waited to do so.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. they are homophobic and only for that reason

does this matter to them...

[MsUnderstood]

40. What kind of sick sympathy is that?

DON'T be gay cause we will hate you but that poor lesbian should not have been announced in a national debate?

Makes my skin crawl to get any sympathy from those people.

[Lexingtonian]

41. Just wait until s/he finds out about Robin Lowman Garner's abortion

That'll come as a shocker to them about St George of Midland too. 1970, in Houston....
If it's not true, I wonder why RLG refuses to deny it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. She has been on National TV talking about being gay.

The freepers just need to get a clue! She was at the RNC with her SO for crying out loud. Granted, her family didn't want her on the stage with them because they're so ashamed of her, but she was there in the audience with her girlfriend.

[GinaMaria]

44. How do you 'out' somebody who is already out?

Cheney spoke about his gay daughter in the 2000 VP debate. How did Edwards 'out' her? Cheney's daughter is openly gay. No one can out anyone who is already out.

Looks like sour grapes on the part of this freeper that Edwards did so well last night. He/she is really reaching on this one.

[greekspeak]

48. I thought Alan Keyes outed her

When he called her the whore of Babylon or whatever it was he called her.

[FizzFuzz]

57. geez lets check freekreTHUGlic for that day, see if there are any

compassionately concerned speakers in defense of gay rights on THAT topic.

[RUDUing2]

49. so was Cheney's comments also inappropriate? After all he

has spoken publically about his daughter being a lesbian?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics/campaign/30m...
ary Cheney, the daughter and chief campaign manager of Vice President Dick Cheney, had just slipped out of the room at a Davenport, Iowa, town hall meeting last week when her father publicly acknowledged for the first time that she was openly lesbian and that he disagreed with the president's support for an amendment banning same-sex marriage.

and of course Alan Keyes http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1204846/posts
Just when things were getting dull in our favorite US Senate race, Republican Alan Keyes called Vice President Cheney's lesbian daughter a 'selfish hedonist.'

Keyes comments came about Mary Cheney came during an interview Monday night on Sirius Out Q, a New York based satellite radio station that provides 24 hour gay and lesbian programming.

After Keyes said that homosexuality was 'selfsih hedonism,' he was asked whether Mary Cheney was a 'selfish hedonist.'

'Of course she is,' he replied. 'That goes by definition. Of course she is.'

Bush Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt said that the comment was 'inappropriate.'


If she has been *outed* by herself, her father, Cokie Roberts (http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/L/Lynne-Cheney.htm Their daughter Mary is an out of the closet lesbian. Until May of 2000 she was the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for the once-notoriously anti-gay Coors Brewing Co. However in July of 2000 when Lynne was asked by ABC's Cokie Roberts about having a daughter who has "declared she's openly gay," Lynne responded: "Mary has never declared such a thing. ...I have two wonderful daughters. I love them very much. They are bright; they are hard-working; they are decent."), and at least one republican senator, then can someone explain to me how Edwards is responsible for *outing* her? Are they claiming that nobody pays any attention to what republicans say?

[ChipperbackDemocrat]

52. I thought Edwards was out of bounds here.

I felt Edwards bringing that issue up was a tactical error. Let Dick Cheney engage in that issue, lets not give 'em a free pass to wiggle out of it. And that is what Vice President Cheney did.
I want Cheney to engage into it, THEN Edward can hit him because Cheney brought it up.

It has no creditability if we engage that issue. I don't like it but those are the rules of engagement.

[Bridget Burke]

55. For the 11th time on this thread--Edwards did not bring up the issue.

The moderator mentioned Cheney's family situation & Edwards responded. His answer was so considerate of Cheney's feelings that the old lizard actually looked human for a moment.

Did you watch the debate?

[ObaMania]

51. John Fund said that on Tweety too!

Said it was an excellent strategy (to paraphrase). Saying that it let the hardcore supporters who did not know this about him know that he is not the solid conservative he appears to be.

[Lars39]

54. For anyone who thinks Edwards was wrong to pursue

the subject........fundy Southern Baptists did Not like Cheney's response:http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19291

Cheney gives tepid defense of marriage amendment

WASHINGTON (BP)--Vice President Dick Cheney’s tepid defense of a constitutional amendment protecting marriage during his Oct. 5 debate with Democrat John Edwards was certain to make supporters of such a measure glad George W. Bush, not Cheney, is president.

While adroitly defending the Bush administration’s position on the war in Iraq and other issues, Cheney provided unenthusiastic support for an amendment that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. Bush has endorsed the amendment, which fell short in recent months in both houses of Congress.

Cheney’s comments came in the midst of the sole vice presidential debate this election campaign. The event, which was held in Cleveland, Ohio, stretched seven minutes beyond the 90 minutes scheduled and covered both foreign and domestic issues.

When asked by moderator Gwen Ifill of the Public Broadcasting System about the marriage amendment issue, Cheney reiterated a view expressed four years ago that people should be free “to choose any arrangement they want” but states should be the level of government at which relationships are authorized or not. “States have regulated marriage, if you will,” he said. “That would be my preference.”

....more at http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19291

----------------The fundy base did not like Cheney's response at all.
Edwards hit one out of the park! :)