Failure. Utter and complete failure. Massive failure on all fronts

[WilliamPitt]

Bush weighs a new course in Iraq

By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott
Knight Ridder News Service

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08292003/nation_w/nation_w.asp

WASHINGTON -- Alarmed by mounting casualties and staggering costs in Iraq, a growing number of top Bush administration officials have concluded that the current U.S. strategy is unsustainable and are looking for ways to increase United Nations involvement, American officials and foreign diplomats said.

The sharp course corrections under consideration, they said, include creating a multinational U.N. peacekeeping force with continued U.S. military command, giving the world body a larger role in rapidly transferring governance back to Iraqis, and seeking greater international financial contributions.

The proposals would mark a dramatic departure for President Bush and his top aides, who went to war in Iraq without explicit U.N. approval.

None of the proposals has been adopted yet. Officials in the office of Vice President Dick Cheney and some civilian officials who work for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are resisting any broader international involvement in Iraq, which, in their view, would disrupt plans for a U.S.-initiated remaking of the Middle East.

...more...

So let's list. These dumbshits:

- Failed to capture Hussein
- Failed to get control of the oil (it's getting blown up every day)
- Failed to pacify the populace
- Demonstrably failed to come through with the promised 'freedom'
- Failed to find one iota of evidence - Christ, even faked evidence - to justify their war rush
- Failed to get the lights on

Failure. Absolute literal failure on all fronts.

They killed nearly ten thousand civilians, paraded the bodies of Uday and Qsay around like trophy bucks, and got 300+ American troops killed, along with God only knows how many wounded and maimed and sick and permanently fucked in the head from what they've seen and been ordered to do.

Oh, yeah, by the way, we routed a fifth-rate army eviscerated by a decade worth of sanctions. We made a Republican Guard commander named al Tikriti rich buy buying the keys to Baghdad's gates off him. We tore down a statue. Halliburton got paid.

Even I, I, the professional Bush critic, cannot even begin to fathom the depth and breadth of this failure. They didn't even achieve any of the shadowy, sinister goals they didn't tell anyone about. The oil is a mess, and another war in that region is just out of the question right now.

Failure. Absolute literal failure on all fronts. Even the secret ones.

They have lost this thing. I'm staggered. THEY CAN'T EVEN COME TO A CONSENSUS ABOUT WHAT TO DO about the fact that they have lost this thing, and have to deal with maniac bitter-enders like Rumsfeld with his fingers in his ears saying la-la-la.

Amazing. Unprecedented. Vietnam in less than six months.

[meegbear]

1. Very scary Mr. Pitt ...

In a little over 2 years, America has gone from the strongest, most respected nation in the world to a third rate nation-state.

May the Lord have mercy on our souls.

[dudeness]

10. I still have faith in you all

as an Australian i know you will wrest back your country from these criminals..as we will here..the opportunity is there for the US to set the standard in human rights and democracy...but it will be long haul..

[liberalhistorian]

32. I know you are also suffering with a Bush clone in Australia,

what is the current level of support for him and is there a good chance he'll be booted out in your next election?

[dudeness]

92. support is wavering as the people

are exposed to continual government lies and manipulation..but the key to our success ..(that is the left)..is to unite around issues and present a clear ..coherent and united front..this will happen in time I believe..and for that matter it will ensure the downfall of Bush if all leftists in the US unite against him..

[Eloriel]

62. Thanks, dudeness

It means a lot to me that there are people outside our country who are pulling for us and who DO still believe in us. In fact, it brings a tear to my eye.

Eloriel

[goforit]

90. You mean on the souls that did the right thing and were hyjacked by

these blood thirsty thugs!

The rest can suffer their own karma!

[GOPisEvil]

2. This is what happens when you have only "yes" men/women.

One of the problems with this (mis)administration is that there isn't enough dissention in the ranks. They all speak the same words, repeatedly.

If I ever get to be President (and if Orrin Hatch gets his way, I might - I'm 35 now and eligible Orrin, you fuck!) I would keep on my staff several curmudgeonly folks whose job it would be to attempt to shoot holes in every idea we came up with. Only once we were down to holes we could live with would we proceed...

Anyway, the hubris of these people will bite them in the ass; sooner rather than later.

[liberalhistorian]

36. You'd be a great president, David!

You'd turn this country around in no time! If you wanna run, I'm sure DU will go all out to help elect you!

Now that I've sufficiently buttered you up, can I have a job (preferably something high-level and high-profile, like, say, chief of staff?) in your administration?

[GOPisEvil]

37. Well, thanks!

First, there's that little matter of the Constitution. Since I'm not a native, I'm ineligible. But, I hear Orrin Hatch wants to change that, so if he's successful...

Whatever job you want is yours. :-)

[never cry wolf]

70. Not to worry

Whistle ass has the title but he doesn't run things.

[harrison]

3. I have said it again and again. I am 47 and I have never seen a more

destructive administration. Really, impeachment is too good for them. I think indictment would serve them better.

[aquart]

81. Indictment is good. Hanging is better.

[Flying_Pig]

4. The biggest failure....

by far, was not listening to those (like you, Ritter, etc.), even those within their own party, who foretold of these events. Unfettered and unlimited embrace of hubris IS the biggest failure.

Is there any doubt now that Bush, the neocons, and their allies within this mis-administration, are guilty of treason and other high crimes, including lying to the nation, and direct responsibility for hundreds of deaths of U.S. service people, and tens of thousands of Iraqis?

[terryg11]

5. just as big a failure

is how no one at home seems to notice or care. That's what is really amazes me. What will it take for the people to wake up?

[aquart]

82. That is NOT true.

The media won't tell you how bitter people are, but talk to anyone on line in a supermarket.....

Tell me someplace people are NOT disgusted and disillusioned (those poor souls who had any).

Where is Bush praised? In the military? In the unions? In the cities? In the wilderness?

On the golf course of a restricted country club, maybe. And even they are beginning to be scared.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. everything they have touched from day 1 has turned to SHIT!

reverse midas touch!....

Job.....How long God?

[Dhalgren]

45. We have become a nation of Jobs.

If there really is a god, he hates us mightily. We are coming to a huge fork in the road, here folks. We are going to have to make some decisions in the next little while that are going to alter our lives - individually and as a group - forever. If the majority of this nation really does support the Emperor in his ideology and policies, then we have to make some personal changes that many of us do not want to consider. Time is running out.

[IrateCitizen]

7. Are you saying that you're not exactly pleased with their results, Will?

I think that's the gist of your scribe, but I'm not entirely certain. ;-)

A bunch of dimwit fuckwads, that's what they all are. And to think I actually gave them (the advisors) credit for at least being intelligent, even if highly misguided. They had been planning this thing for five fucking years and they still utterly failed to realize the realities of the situation. My dog demonstrates greater capacity for reason, and the only words she understands are sit, down, stay, paw, speak, cookie, outside and walk!

[WilliamPitt]

9. IT BLOWS MY MIND

Five years...some would say ten, but five at a bare fucking minimum to get this all together. They got themselves into a shitpot of trouble over this to boot, and Blair will be lucky to keep his job.

Unreal.

[Spentastic]

16. William Pitt

You keep saying this, it appears to have become somewhat an article of faith for you.

"Blair will be lucky to keep his job"

I'm on this side of the pond and for all of his obvious chicanery to those of us in the know, Mr Blair is the supreme politician. He has emerged from the Kelly affair bruised but basically unscathed. I'd bet my house that Hutton will not call Blair a liar thereby forcing him to resign. Blair will stand at the next election and he will win.

Mores the pity.

[Darranar]

60. They're arrogant...

they think that the world will shift to aid them.

[Name removed]

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[WilliamPitt]

15. Gibberish

[Dhalgren]

46. Amen, Will!

.

[Jim Sagle]

47. What a crock!

[DemExpat]

50. This is all sarcasm ......right????

:shrug:

DemEx

[Section_43]

54. ....

:wtf:

[never cry wolf]

71. Damn

I always miss the freepers!!

[nostamj]

8. and that's just Iraq

Afghanistan = utter failure getting worse by the minute

and your list doesn't even take into account he mosque bombing today...

the worst president ever
the worst administration ever

i can't legally post what i'm thinking

[Upfront]

17. You Missed The Fact

that the people making decisions are getting richer from the decisions they make.

[nostamj]

18. huh???

thanks but I'm quite aware of THAT fact.

[kentuck]

11. A Party hack was saying they are trying to get NATO involved....

It's like the old hillbilly that was chasing a bobcat and ran it into a hollow log. As one of his Republican cousins passed by, he saw that Cousin Dubya had his arm stuck back into the hollow log. "Do you need me to help you hold him", he asked. "No", said Cousin Dubya, "I need you to help me turn him loose..."

[WilliamPitt]

13. Getting the international community into this will be a good thing

and, in fact, the final failure from their perspective. They gave the UN the back of their hand, and now have to go scuttling back.

You broke it, George. You bought it.

Not one goal met. Not one.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. soooo true and tooo sad for us and the entire world...

i never in my 52 years felt hate until now :scared:

[DemExpat]

49. Me, too....and I hate feeling all of this hatred!

But if any idiots are deserving of my disgust, this administration is IT.....

:-(


DemEx

[IrateCitizen]

26. Not necessarily -- it could set a dangerous precedent

That being, the US can go ahead with more imperial adventures and then expect the UN to come in and clean up their mess. And I wouldn't be too confident of the US contributing anywhere close to their fair share for nation-rebuilding expenses....

George Monbiot wrote recently on this in The Guardian.

[WilliamPitt]

27. Good point

:grr:

[Plaid Adder]

31. We gotta hope for some hard-ass negotiating on the UN end

If the UN says, "Sure, we'll send our guys to get blown up doing your dirty work," then it just makes the disaster bigger. BUT, if the UN says, "Ah, so you want a little multilateralism now...CRAWL FOR IT!", then maybe some good will come out of this.

If I were Kofi Annan, I would say, sure George, we can talk about it, but here are our non-negotiable demands:

1) U.N. control over the multilateral force.
2) U.N. control over the rebuilding effort (bye bye, no-bid contracts for Halliburton).
3) Paul Bremer reduced to fetching coffee and photocopying for the U.N. Iraq transition team.
4) U.S. pays its friggin' membership dues AND foots the bill for the cleanup.
5) U.S. pays for all of this WITHOUT making a dime of Iraqi oil.

And then I would say, so OK George, HOW bad do you want this over with by November of 2004?

Moohoohahaha,

The Plaid Adder

[Devils Advocate NZ]

51. 6) US signs on to ICC.

In fact, as far as I am concerned, that should be number one on the list - No ICC, no help. Simple as that.

[Plaid Adder]

63. Would be most excellent

but probably also a dealbreaker. After all, we know who's first against the wall once the ICC starts dealing with this mess.

Sigh,

The Plaid Adder

[Isome]

88. ...CRAWL FOR IT!

So, you're saying that this occupying administration needs a dose of strong black Kofi?

If so, I would agree.

[quispquake]

33. BUT...

...the U.N. needs to have the final say in any action...they CAN NOT leave that the to US...these criminals need to be stopped and humiliated NOW!!!

pp23

btw Will--Looking forward to seeing you in Manchester at Rolling Thunder!!!

[Dhalgren]

48. I know that for humanitarian reasons

we should all hope that the UN goes in a saves the day in Iraq. They may not be able to do it, but the Iraqis only chance is the UN. But there is a part of me that hopes the UN tells the Emperor to "fuck off". As you say, "you break it, you bought it".

Also, if the mess in Iraq is irretrievable (which it may very well be), then the Emperor can claim that the UN was the cause of the failure - not him. I just don't want him to have any wriggle room on this one.

[aquart]

83. The Iraqis hate the UN too, don't they? Because of the sanctions?

How is the UN going to stop a civil war that's just begun?

This was always going to happen whenever Saddam died. His sons weren't going to be able to hold the country together.

Maybe that was part of the urgency. Saddam was in his sixties and under stress....why not steal a lead on the contending sides?

They probably need to fight it out. They aren't going to accept an imposed decision. The Palestinians never did.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

12. Global conquest by a MBA mindset

steeped in fundamental ideals/excuses has put this country in a position never imagined before. We have lit the fuse of the ME powder keg, distanced ouselves from allies, polarized the two party system into a hateful coexistance... Unemployment through the roof, record gas prices, I can't afford medical care or prescription drugs.

Thanks, George.

Next time you want to fuck me, at least give me a kiss.

[SOS]

34. Bush

the "MBA President". What a joke. His C average at Yale couldn't even get him into the Univ. of TX Law School, so he had to settle for his Dad buying him a spot at Harvard biz school. He then proceeded to bankrupt three oil companies in a row. Soon the former Republic will look like Arbusto Oil Co...ruined, embarrassed, bankrupt and defunct.
Failed student, failed businessman, failed President.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

41. "Soon the former Republic will look like Arbusto Oil Co..."

And tied to the bin Laden family?

New rule: Never appoint/elect a president that could be defeated in a game of Jeopardy by Snoop Doggy Dog.

[ProfessorGAC]

55. My DOG (Canine) Could Beat Him In Jeopardy

The Professor

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

61. I think Otis (the drunk) from Mayberry would trounce Dubya in

a game of wits....

which would place Rummy as the con man from "The Princess Bride" who drinks the poison after outsmarting himself.

[ldf]

76. GREAT slogan/bumpersticker

BUSH

Failed student, failed businessman, failed President

[Kolesar]

20. One success: GOP eeked out a 1 seat majority in the Senate

September's rollout was a success. Now there will not be Senate hearings on this bald faced tyranny until 2005 at the soonest.

[msanger]

21. Just linked to this on www.anybodybutbush.info

If you have some friends you've been trying to get to DU, but who won't visit, you might try sending them to The lead 'story' for today is this discussion, so maybe you can get them in the back door.

michael

[K-W]

22. Maybe thinktanks

filled with non-military people, business people, and people whos only skill in life is twisting words and hating arent the best place to make forieng policy and military strategy eh?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. the heritage foundation...is bush's #1 advisor....a sick puppies

lots of stinkin thinkin there...they all have their heads up their collective ass

[rwork]

23. As a former General said

we had a chest thumping victory. And another quote, we need to carry a bloody stick all over the mid east.These are words that are sure to help create a peaceful Iraq.

[gristy]

24. And then there's the looting of our treasury

Bushco is taking all they can while they can, since I really do believe that they believe that they have just 14 months left to finish the job.

We will be left with the hollow shell of our country.

[Plaid Adder]

25. They have a different definition of "failure."

See, you're assessing their success based on *reality,* Will. All wrong. No, no, no, no, no. What matters is *perception.* See, this whole war is Rove's fault.

OK, it's not JUST Rove's fault. But I blame Rove for convincing them all that the only thing you need to do to perpetuate your own power is make sure you can control *perception.* The theory they've all been operating on is that as long as they can convince Americans to let them stay in power, that's success; and the best way to convince Americans to do that is to set up an enormous and virtually seamless propaganda machine to lie, lie, and lie again. And they're very, very good at that kind of thing.

Too bad for us, Iraq, and even now for them, that they SUCK at doing anything else.

I mean it is just BOGGLING how much they suck. They lied, cheated, and stole their way to the top and now all they can do is fuck up. I think there's only one explanation for it and that is that they really do believe their own bullshit--which of course means that everything they do is insane, since their bullshit has nothing to do with reality.

It does indeed boggle the mind.

Boggle,

The Plaid Adder

[Q]

30. And the Democratic faithful stand frozen in time...

...and 'powerless' to stop what we all know is going so terribly wrong. Hell...a good segment of the Dem party actually supports Bush* foreign and domestic policies. Many more don't agree...but are unwilling to say anything for fear of damaging their political careers.

- Let's be honest for a moment: the Bushies couldn't have done ANY of this without the consent or cooperation of a good number of DEMOCRATS. (AKA 'New Democrats'.)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. Q EXACTLY!!!

[Dhalgren]

52. Alas, you are absolutely right.

.

[Capn Sunshine]

72. Qualfier :not ALL new dems

While the east coast "Lieberman for president" wing of the new dem movement is certainly guilty, there are many progressives in the DLC.
But let's not hijack the thread.

[NJCher]

28. twist, georgie, twist

And should any country (or NATO) in the world come to their aid? I think not. They want to get rid of him as badly as we do. To aid him in this situation would be tantamount to assisting him with reelection.

He--and we--will twist in the wind with this one.



Cher

[WilliamPitt]

29. And the Iraqi people will twist with him

as will we.

:grr:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. and so will our children...our sacrifical children...

being offered up on the altar of bush*s oil god

[Ilsa]

38. The spin on their failures is outrageous, and aided

by some members on the military:
Their revisionist spin finally dissolved into declaring this a humanitarian issue. Soldiers that write home (and one had an email in our local newspaper) comment on how desparate and poor the Iraqis are and how much better we are going to make their lives.

We're too savvy to buy that bullshit, but too many voters that are struggling to get through each day, too self-absorbed to really pay attention, might buy their soundbites in 2004, and that is what scares me.

[birdman]

39. But it will be kind of fun to watch them crawl on their slimy bellies

to the international community that they so arrogantly
thumbed their noses at.

[CWebster]

42. So

don't forget about the military-industrial congress and the role they played standing shoulder to shoulder with da Chimp.

[Trajan]

44. You nailed it Will ....

You nailed it to the wall ...

Utter and complete failure .... No truer words can be spoken ....

[Petrodollar Warfare]

53. Actually, they did achieve their tactical goal....Iraq's oil currency...

...which was their number #1 goal, and it appears they have achieved number #2 goal - nullifying France, Russia and China's contracts on Iraq's vital oil. Once the UN snactions were lifted, the US would loss out to Iraq's oil, just like we have lost Iran's oil. Under the UN oil for food program, the US bought 64% of Iraq's oil, but if Iraq was declared free of WMD (which would have occured had Blix et al been given 3 more months of unimpeeded access - then the US would have lost access to Iraq's oil while the French, Russsian, Chinese, etc. began explorations. This issue is why the US doesn't want UN involvment, as the UN may review these issues and the US may not be the ultimate beneficiary if these prior contracts with Saddam upheld,etc.

We should study Iraq tactically, and reverting Iraq's oil currency back to the dollar (via the "Iraq Assitance Fund" and installing a large and permanent US military presence in the Gulf were their goal. (Below is an excerpt from one of my essays). BTW, I agree Iraq is a quagmire/cluster****, we are in way over our heads, but tactically the neocons have acheived (at the moment) their "unspoken" goals...

Origins of the oil currency war

Various policy papers written by the neoconservative members of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) have long advocated toppling Saddam Hussein. In 1998, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitcz and other PNAC members wrote a letter to President Clinton advocating regime change in Baghdad. These radical PNAC members later became the main architects of President Bush’s foreign policies. Moreover, it appears that Saddam sealed his fate with the neoconservatives in the Bush administration when he announced on September 24, 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for its oil sales, and price Iraqi oil in euros instead. Given that in the fall of 2000 the euro was at it’s lowest point to the dollar (82 cents), many analysts were rather surprised that Saddam was willing to give up approximately $270 million in annual oil revenue for what was essentially a political statement. <2> Nonetheless, pricing oil in euros was his symbolic way of protesting continued U.S. support of the 1991 U.N. sanctions against Iraq.

On November 6th, 2000 the U.N. administered “oil for food” program switched the currency accepted for Iraq’s oil sales from dollars to euros. <2> Saddam subsequently converted Iraq’s $10 billion reserve fund into euros as well. Since November 2000 Iraq’s oil purchases were routed into the U.N.’s “oil for food program,” and then into a euro-denominated account with a French bank. Somewhat ironically, the steady depreciation of the US dollar since late 2001 means that Saddam’s switch to the euro currency actually provided Iraqi’s ‘oil for food’ program with windfall profits totaling hundred of millions of euros. <3> However, this crucial detail appears to be a “quasi-state secret” within the U.S. government, as it exposes one of the core reasons for the war. The week after “major actions” in Iraq were declared over by President Bush, the US/UK proposed U.N. Resolution #1483. This resolution passed on May 22, 2003, which achieved a number of goals: 1) lifted the 1991 sanctions despite that UN inspectors were not able to declare Iraq “free of WMD”, 2) phased out the ‘oil for food’ program, 3) provided US/UK control of Iraq’s oil revenue, and 4) created the “Iraqi Assistance Fund” that quietly converted Iraq’s oil currency back to the dollar. Incidentally, it appears that Saddam’s 1990s oil exploration contracts with France, Russia and China are now void.

Perhaps the urgency for the Iraq war was heightened by Iran, which in 2002 moved the majority of its reserve funds to euros. Given its strong trade relationship with the European Union, it would be logical for Iran to make the switch to euro oil pricing, if only from a purely monetary and economic perspective. Iran has discussed switching their oil pricing from the dollar to the euro for years, but it was somewhat surprising when Iran actually made the switch to euros during the 2003 Iraq war. <5> Furthermore, various foreign news sources have recently reported that Russia and Venezuela may soon switch their oil export pricing to the euro as well. <6><7> Due to the lack of US media coverage regarding these crucial “details,” one might wonder about “censorship” within our seven corporate-controlled media conglomerates?


On Edit: For those interested in my whole essay, I just posted it in the Economic forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=1101

[Darranar]

56. Yep...

that's Iraq today. Thank Bush.

[dawg]

57. This administration is incompetent.

We've had plenty of corrupt administrations, this one included. However, this one is also incompetent. They screwed up Afghanistan, they are screwing up Iraq. Hell, they couldn't even pull off a simple little right-wing coup in Venezuela.

The problem comes from believing your own bullshit, and banishing anyone who disagrees with you.

Unfortunately, the one thing they do well is politics. They will be hard to beat, but if the left remains unified, it can be done.

[TreasonousBastard]

58. It doesn't stop there, of course.

The failure is mindnumbing. It is massive, and touches every conceivable facet of this country's life.

The hubris over Iraq is stunning-- we're gonna do it. Now the chutzpa over not being able to do the job after all, and we demand your assistance. Assistance from a world that was dead set against it from the beginning.

The denial over Afghanistan and the resurgence of the warlords and the Taliban is numbing. And the avoidance of any talk of Pakistan's complicity in problems in Afghanistan.

Renewing assaults in South America, scaring the piss out of the South Koreans and Japanese over North Korea.

That's the tip of the iceberg internationally, but domestically there are even more failures.

Our infrastructure is falling apart, our consumer technology is way behind Europe and Japan, our current account deficit is staggering, real income is declining, wealth is being transferred at a rate never before seen, small businesses are being squeezed, research budgets are being slashed, social services are being phased out, education is declining, the environment is getting more polluted, pensions are evaporating, national debt both public and private is at perilous levels...

No administration can solve all the problems by itself. My disgust at this one is that it is NOT EVEN TRYING!

Even the worst administrations, Nixon, Grant, Buchanan, Harding... had some concept of the problems facing the country and attempted to do something about them. They ofen failed, but they tried. These people in Washington now, and I include the Congress, are guilty of the grossest malfeasance in our history. They refuse to admit most problems, and refuse to do anything about the few they see.

The wingnut Republicans do what they are expected to do, and annoy me greatly. Special scorn, however, goes to Jellyfish Democrats who sit back and watch it happen.

Jellyfish Democrats have abused our trust. They are our people, and they have abandoned us.

Throw the bums out. Every single goddam one of 'em. Even the one or two I kinda like.

[Sideways]

87. YES!!!! Brilliant Post TB

Pumping my fists in the air after reading your post(even though it was fucking depressing) and shouting YES. I hope you speak these words to EVERY person you see even strangers!

Great mind.

[cthrumatrix]

89. We will have to "throw" them out...Lord knows..we can't vote them out...

they have their sticky hands in that too.

[NoKingGeorge]

59. How will this play with daddy ?

Say what you will about the old man, he has survived in a cold and hard world (CIA) for a long time. He has friends who do not want to be exposed. How will he react to having his friends embarrassed by this moron.

[opihimoimoi]

64. Hi Will, great thread.

Someone better tell FOX and geraldo cuz they were on the tibe last night telling America what a wonderful job we are doing there.
It was nauseating. and even to the point of saying the 2 or 3 deaths every couple of days is cheap and we should be prepared to sustain the loss.

I was flabbergasted. Then they said the UN is not gonna come in and more or less said we really don't need the UN. That I felt was over the edge. These guys are so of shit its pathetic.

Come, surfs up

[Narraback]

65. Afternoon kick

nt

[nolabels]

66. Don't worry Will, I know what it's like to get bad report cards in........

School. Heck I just figured * was getting his O.J.T. (on the job training). Just think, after a couple more Invasions and the * should have it all figured out :hurts:

[nolabels]

67. Don't worry Will, I know what it's like to get bad report cards in........

School. Heck I just figured * was getting his O.J.T. (on the job training). Just think, after a couple more Invasions and the * should have it all figured out :hurts:

[nolabels]

74. Looks like I have upstairs and downstairs crappers

Tried to edit but the last one but the software said it was too late, that is funny, * said the same thing about the Iraq


http://www.bushwatch.net/bushlies.htm

Listening To Bush Lies Since 1998

Bush lies So often and in so many different ways that I've never had the patience to keep a list of them. However, when I write something and include the generalization that Bush lies, some readers will write in and say, "Oh, yeh? What did he lie about? I don't believe it." What follows, then, is an informal listing of just some of the lies he typically tells, starting from 2/01. Now, of course, we all know that Gore lies, Lott lies, Cheney lies, etc. But the difference between those liars and Bush is the Resident tells us that he is telling the truth when he is lying. Hence, he will tell us what he is going to do, like get his proposed tax cut from the surplus, then try to get his proposed tax cut from military and medicare funds, instead. Or, once he has actually begun a program, tell us lies about how or why the program has begun. Or tell a closed-door Dem meeting something and then swear up and down the next day that he didn't say it. Or saying, "Yes, Mam" and meaning "No, Mam." Or having a spinner say the opposite the next day. Or, or...you get the idea.

Some Bush backers claim he's not a liar, he's just not very bright and doesn't remember things very well. That may be true, but we're sure Bush would not allow such an excuse in his "responsibility era." We're
(snip)

Btw I am now trying to do this in the basement :hurts:

[Capn Sunshine]

68. It reflects the glow of those who planned this

and that glow is {b]RANK COMPLETE TOTAL INCOMPETENCE.
These guys are surrounded by ideologues and yes men; they are all pholosophy, no practicality.

This is why the excel in image and facade, why they are masters of spin and propaganda. It's all they know.

There is no depth to these folks, it's what you get when you put the bosses son in charge of the production line.

[leftofthedial]

69. they are masters at domestic disinformation and dirty politics

and utterly incompetent at EVERYTHING else.

Who was the departed admin person who said Rove runs the show and every decision is political?

[w4rma]

94. John DiIulio: "It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

Former Bush Aide Apologizes for 'Machiavelli' Jibe
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wbur/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=425582

Why Are These Men Laughing?
http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2002/021202_mfe_rove.html

[ElementaryPenguin]

73. Which is why * can't possibly be elected - provided we abolish touch scree

We MUST turn up the pressure on that issue!!

[davsand]

75. Have you seen This Modern World on the subject?

I don't know if the link will work since it is at Salon, but do check out This Modern World. Speaks volumes...

[WilliamPitt]

77. Who's the penguin?

[davsand]

78. I don't know.

I always kind of wondered if it is Tom Tomorrow himself--a sort of "self portrait" if you will...

Maybe one of our Evil DUers can tell us.

Laura

[ulysses]

91. Sparky

is sort of Dan Perkins' editorial mouthpiece. This was his debut in 1991. :D

[sendero]

79. I hope and think that...

... the UN will eventually take this over. But they should not do it on Bush*'s terms, they should do it on their terms. After all, we are the ones who created this mess, and we are the ones coming to the UN with our tails between our legs.

The old "American commander" requirement is a joke. Why should they go along with that?

[Ani Yun Wiya]

80. Whose failure?

November,2000-Failure to be legitimately elected.
What was done about it? NOTHING.
September,2001-Failure to protect this country.
What was done about it? NOTHING.
2002-Failure to meet international treaty obligations.
What was done about it? NOTHING.
2003-Failure to abide by international law.
What was done about it? NOTHING.


If in 2004 there is a failure to remove this administration what will be done about it?

[nolabels]

84. 'Remove this administration, it will be done'. We will fight on.......

Failure is impossible; we are witnessing the break down of many common laws in front of our own eyes. The ability for one to keep their moral compass intact and their ability to use reason when confronted with anything, will be necessary in the days ahead. It's us and the rest of the world against *, we will win. Use the rules that you know to be correct, not the ones others would want to lay down in front of you.

Btw Ani Yun Wiya I think it was really great and would really like to thank you for that work you did with investigating and getting numbers on that Florida Fraud the way you did. Without people like you, we would a lot more blind today. You have enlightened some of us here :-)

[Ani Yun Wiya]

86. Re: Florida 2000 fraud.

You are welcome.

However I wonder why a democratic senator, a democratic congressman, the local democratic 2002 campaign committe, a heavy hitter for the ACLU, and Greg Palast; who have all had the full documentation for over one year now, have all done nothing with the information?

It may be well beyond any "reasonable" approach to actually solve the matter that is before us.

How can the population of this country continue "business as usual"?
How can anyone think that the current administration will not use every dirty trick in the book to keep what they now have?

IMHO, on 12/13/00 there should have been a complete walkout on everything, and we should have all gone to DC, straight to the Supreme Court and occupied the place until they took back their biased opinion and then resigned.

[Dover]

85. I think the ONLY way out, the ONLY way to appease our old allies and

unequivically demonstrate our true intentions to the world is to have a mass arrest, and round up these thugs in D.C. and parade THEM around like trophy bucks before we throw them all in the brig (no representation or trial seems appropriate). That would say to the world that the U.S. will NOT tolerate such a criminal assault on honor, decency, human rights and the rule of law.
It HAS to be the American people and its leaders that does this if we wish to redeem ourselves before the world.

Can we afford to wait another year?


...And while we're at it we should flush out those hiding in their underground bunkers and shadow government holes.

And that contingent of the Dem Party that supported this war, even in the face of unprecidented and early resistence by the people of this country, should be shown the door. They also failed.

[RainDog]

93. And no one is held accountable

why is no one held accountable for this massive screw up? why don't any of the assholes around Bush have the courage and dignity to resign because of their failure?

If they don't resign, why doesn't Bush have the dignity and concern for the fate of this country and those soldiers who are fighting this bullshit made up threat of a Saddam war to ask for a resignation???

...and this is worse than a failure. what BushCo has done is to make us and the world more vulnerable to fundamentalist terrorists (Tali-born-agains here, too...considering the judicial nominees brain dead Dubya has been throwing up against the walls of the Capitol. )

If there had been valid justification for invading Iraq, this would not be so monumental. However, this was a totally trumped up war which has and which will continue to have the opposite outcome that BushCo so wrongly expected.

For this reason, I think Americans should call for the resignation of this entire administration. They should be tried for a conspiracy to defraud the American people and conspiracy to defraud an agency of the federal govt.

when America restores sanity in the executive branch, then we can expect our long-time allies to try to reach an agreement on how to contain, hopefully, this mess that BushCo has created for the world.

[Skittles]

95. YES

It is as bad as I have ever seen in my lifetime. William, I've said before how I'll always remember the CHILL that came over me when I realized why they were running that lazy, illiterate, pathetic piece of shit for governor here in Texas. I knew THEY would make him president and I knew it would be bad. Well, it's more than bad - it's catastrophic. :(

[OrdinaryTa]

96. Not Like Vietnam

Vietnam in less than six months

No way. Ordinary people were aware of Vietnam, even if they didn't know what it was about. The Vietnam War sent home 150 dead Americans a week, a price Americans didn't want to pay. What's different now is that Iraq is cheap. Nobody important is getting killed; in fact it's unlikely that grief will come to anybody they know. Average Americans don't care about the people of Iraq any more than they did about the people of Vietnam.

Bush is still madly popular. Democrats criticize his job performance, but ordinary Americans factor that in; they expect it. They suspect there's something not quite loyal about Democrats. After all, who wouldn't want to punish the people who attacked us on September 11th?

I honestly have no idea what we can do about this. The notion that the world is caving in on Bush is a fantasy. If the election were held today, Bush would win easily.

[TrogL]

97. They don't care

Don't you understand?

This isn't about war.

This isn't about peace.

This is about spend the money.

They don't care how they spend it. They want the world to be fucked up so America will have to spend money fixing it.

Why?

So it won't get spent on non-religious social programs.

They want the US so broke, so fucked up and its social program so evicerated that the only choice is to go to the fundie churches for help.

The Religious Right has won.