Tweety worships Dean's "physicality"-anyone catch this?

[tjdee]

I flip to MSNBC this morning to find Tweets slobbering over Dean and his 'pulled up shirt sleeves' and his 'physicality'. No joke. Going on and on about how Dean "looks" and about how Dean "walks around".

He said that men would find that appealing and so would women (I laugh and laugh over these talking head MEN telling me what I would like).

AND--(on edit, thanks jmm)
He said that Dean's being short is good, and that people will like that (????)--they don't need to see a tall guy, like Kerry, whose "height wouldn't help him".

He said he 'can't WAIT' until there's a debate between Bush and Dean, because Dean isn't some pencil thin wonk (I think that's what he said) and that he wasn't a "dork" like Gore was. He said that Dean would be able to push Bush into the "rich kid" thing where Bush loses it. (Thanks, Tweets, for already telling us who the nominee is.)

When Tweety likes a guy, he really does go into a man crush state. It's kind of scary.

[jmm]

1. Ain't it sweet? Tweety has a crush on Dean.

I saw it. He also said that people would prefer Dean because he is shorter and that "John Kerry's 6 feet and 8 inches won't help him."

[tjdee]

3. Yeah--forgot to add that!

He was all "people might like him being so short" and then slammed Kerry!

Maybe I'll put that in the original post...man, Tweety was out of control!

[dawg]

10. Kerry is 6'4"

Tweety just has eight inches on the brain.

[scrutineer]

18. That’s a good one

“Tweety just has eight inches on the brain.”

Matthews isn’t too damn shallow, huh?

I’m so glad I canceled my cable/ satellite, and don’t subject myself to such shit anymore.

:D

[rock]

22. But he's only six feet tall!?

What about the 8 inches? -- Oh, I get it. Never mind.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. yes i did ...it makes ya wonder

he is such a whore...i can barely stomache him anymore

[meegbear]

4. First *'s bulge now this ...

he has bad taste in men.

[poskonig]

5. Tweety is one strange mofo.

Matthews has this masculinity fetish he likes in politics.

Personally, I think we should talk Dean *down* prior to the debates and talk Junior *up*, so it looks to more people like Bush loses the debate.

[chaumont58]

21. Tweety is just one in a whole mofo town full of strange mofos

As far as the debate, Bush ain't gonna get a pass this time. There is too much internet out there to spin the results favorable to the dim son. I have, for some time, think that Dean will tear Dumbya a new asshole.

[Ellen Forradalom]

6. Awww, Tweety

Come out of the closet, find yourself a nice man, go to Toronto and get married, and live happily ever after!

[Kolesar]

7. Democrat Digler n/t

[Larkspur]

8. I seriously doubt Bush will debate the Dem nominee next year

Rove knows that Bush would be killed in a debate. They will manufacture some excuse, like a war with Iran or North Korea, to get out of the debate.

Look to Rove to drown out the Dem nominee's message on the TV next year. Why do you think that they are aiming for $200-250 million? They will saturate the airwaves with pro-Bush propaganda.

The only Dem candidate who will have a chance against this Repuke strategy is Dean. His Grassroots campaign will undermine Rove's strategy. The only thing that would hurt Dean are fixed voting machines and corrupt election commissioners.

[gardenista]

12. This is why Dean is smart to hit * hard now.

We're all itching for that debate, but I think you may be right. If we go into Iran or North Korea, it ain't gonna happen. The Dems all need to get their licks in now before Bushco rolls out its new fall product line.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Not debating= losing the debate. He'll "debate."

Such as the "debates" are these days. Someone posted an article on the Kerry/Weld debates; those should be the model.

[NicRic]

9. Discussed Gores looks in 2000 !

I remember when the media was all over Gore for changing from the blue suit to earth tones. This is just the kind of stuff that really interest me when Iam watching a program ,that suppose to be interesting and informative on politics ! How many guys actually sit around and talk about what another guy is wearing or if he's attactive or not .Give me a friggin break , when any of these shows start talking about this shallow B/S , I grab the remote as quick as I can !Actually since the idiot in office we now have stole the election , I can hardly stand to watch any of these shows !

[Cocoa]

17. the Daily Howler busts Fineman on this

one of my favorite howlers. He caught Fineman going on about how Bush's changing clothes shows how great Bush is, but then goes back and finds him trashing Gore for doing exactly the same thing. :-)

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h121101_1.shtml

[Catherine Vincent]

50. Thanks for that link by Daily Howler.

They really did bust Fineman. I wonder if this was brought to his attention? It shows that he is a Bush supporter and not a Gore supporter. It also shows how the media beat up on Gore for trivial things and left Bush* alone. It was clear the media was pushing for a Bush* presidency.

Why can't journalists be impartial?

[DemNoir]

11. Actually Matthews is sort of on to something

It is interesting to ponder just what Deans appeal is. He really does at all times sound like a doctor. The doctor you always thought was kind of arrogant and a little condescending, but you trust him completly.

We are also in a time when people seem to be more comfortable with a politician that has a few rough edges. The fact that Dean is not really
a silky smooth speaker seems to help him now.

[JaneQPublic]

63. The doctor with the rolled-up sleeves.

I know what you mean about him always seeming like a doctor. When he comes out on stage with his rolled-up sleeves, he looks like he just finished washing his hands with antiseptic scrub and for an office visit with a patient.

[CBHagman]

13. "Ooh, ooh, I've got a crush on you"

I guess we need to send Tweety a Bruce Springsteen CD to play whenever he shows footage of Dean. Tweety may not be the evil, soulless, screaming ninny I thought he was. Who knew?

And he also may have a little secret to share with us. :-)

[JI7]

14. i find kerry, edwards style more attractive

tweety has his preferences. i remember him speaking the same way about bush. i personally like kerry's style of speaking on policy, and edwards calm but firm and engaging style he has in town hall meetings.

[CMT]

15. as a Dean supporter it is amusing

I will admit since Tweety also has had crushes at various times on Bush and John McCain and even John Kerry at one time (I don't know why they had a falling out?) but being 5'9 myself I don't think height is the end all in a presidential race. Women and men don't judge a president on how tall he or she is.

[CWebster]

16. He is so manic

it is almost freakshow to behold. My brothers used to refer to his type as "jocko-homo".

[blm]

19. Tweety is setting a mindset for a Bush- Kerry showdown.

They know that Bush is going to get hit on his military strategies and his awol status. They have to make Kerry's stature in this area appear less than it is. They are making his commanding presence look to be "out of style" with the new trend of manliness that Bush is supposed to represent. The guy who acts like a straightshooter, but, will manage to straddle nearly every issue....yep...what a man.

[poskonig]

20. Everything is a conspiracy to you, eh? :)

A great nominalist once said, "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate." Remember this.

[blm]

25. No...but, I know how the mediawhores work.

And I'm surprised that after what happened to Clinton and Gore that you believe that they now make unbiased assessments of Democrats.

[dsc]

23. I know I am going to sound like a scold

but two things. First I would like a link to a transcript if possible since I would love to read this exchange for myself. Second, I wonder if people would be as derisive of the sexuality involved if the candidates or the comentator involved were women. I get more than a little tired of the Tweety is a homo crap. Again if this were a woman commentator making these ridiculous arguments or a male making them about women candidates I have my doubts we would be hearing derisive claptrap about Toronto or having something to tell us.

[CWebster]

24. About as much as the

bimbo interviewing a journalist who had just returned from Iraq and was telling some pretty grim stories about what life was like on a typical day. To which the bimbo responds something to the effect of "we often see our correspondent, XX (some female CNN correspondent) reporting from Iraq, so where can a girl go for a good time in the evenings?'...

[tjdee]

26. If it was a woman saying "I just love how she wears those skirts..."

I don't think, nor care, if Tweety is a homo (obviously he is married with children, but...)...

But I do think it is slightly inappropriate for him to go on and on about how a candidate looks--and IMO, he goes beyond the "he looks presidential" and actually gets into the tabloid mentality.

If I saw Greta Van Sustern go "Well, look at the way Hillary Clinton wears those candy colored suits, showing a bit of leg, I think the women really like that, and the men too", I'd say the same thing.

I don't know if MSNBC has transcripts of their morning, but I'll see if I can get it.

[dsc]

28. Thanks

on the transcript. I don't doubt he uttered the nonsense he is good at doing that but paraphrasing rarely does complete justice to the lunacy that is Matthews.

I think you missed my second point though. I don't think straight sexuality would be treated so dismissively.

[tjdee]

49. Yeah, I did miss your second point.

That's an interesting question...
for me, I think it'd be the same. Actually, it would border on sexual harrassment and would probably be frowned on instead of laughed at. Eh, maybe.

If Matthews had made similar comments about Loretta Sanchez, I'd probably think he was creepy. At the very least, not at all behavior befitting a 'journalist', which is what he claims to be.

As for the transcript, I can't find it. It was on between 7:15 and 8:30 this morning, which is tricky to find because usually Imus is on (he's on vacation, apparently). I'm not sure if it was a replay from last night (but not Hardball, Tweety was speaking with an anchor asking him about the recall, and whether Dean continued to surprise him, which is when he went a-swooning.)

[dawg]

29. I think dsc's point is ...

would you say the same thing if it were a woman commenting on a male candidate's masculinity. Is it funny just because of the implication of homosexual tendencies?

[dawg]

27. Yeah, I can see how that might be offensive ...

But Tweety just seems to set himself up for it so well. Besides, I think I would be just as likely to make fun of a female pundit who I thought was obsessed with a candidate in a sexual way.

Goodness knows, we have plenty of fun with Ann Coulter. And Peggy Noonan has an "Herbal Essence" orgasm everytime Bush opens his mouth.

[AP]

30. At the turn of the 19th to the 20th century

there was a conservative rhetoric that was based on the notion that technology had made people weak and that we needed a new masculinity to strengthen America. TR exploited this feelings to promote imperialism. It's all very conservative. I'm not saying Dean is conservatively exploiting masculinity (and that Tweety is picking up on it). I'm saying that Tweety is trying to create this mood that it's all about masculitny because he thinks that's a field upon which Bush can win.

[Cocoa]

31. Matthews is lying

this isn't his real reaction to Dean, it's because he doesn't want Kerry to win.

Everytime I hear an intelligent person say something stupid like this, I get suspicious.

[MoonAndSun]

32. Matthews is intelligent???

that is not a word I would ever use to describe Tweety.

he foams at the mouth whenever he says the words Clinton, or Bill or Hillary. He is one of the worst media whores out there.

[Cocoa]

35. he's not as stupid as some of the things he says

It's not possible that he means these things. He's an actor, all of his statements should be taken as lines.

When he supposedly opposed the war, it wasn't what he really thought, and same for when he supposedly changed his position.

The really disgusting thing is the sincerity with which he plays his part. He really gets into it, pained facial expressions, emotion in his voice. It's totally cynical. :puke:

[blm]

36. The point is he knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

If anyone thinks he and other corporate whores really want Dean to beat Bush, there's a bridge being sold somewhere.

What they really want is Dean to beat Kerry. That keeps alot of the damaging case against Bush and his Saudi ties to Bin Laden from getting full exposure during the general election. Beers, Hart and Gen. Perry are working on Kerry's team, remember?

[Cocoa]

39. Gary Hart is signed on with Kerry?

I hadn't heard that. That's huge, imo. Hart would have been a strong candidate himself.

I don't know who Gen. Perry is, I'm sure he's good too. :-)

[blm]

45. Gen. William Perry.

Hart is still lying low, but, he makes no bones about what it will take to move forward on foreign policy and REAL national security. He believes Kerry has it. He said so on a Cspan forum last month with Sid Blumenthal and a couple of repug strategists. Hart doesn't say ANYTHING lightly when it comes to these issues.

[dsc]

66. I'm just sure a link is forthcoming

right?

[blm]

72. LBN: dsc sez blm not allowed to post what was heard on Cspan.

Everyone else is, however. So those of you who saw the forum with Harold Evans, Gary Hart, Sid Blumenthal, Monica Crowley and another GOP thug last month, I'm sure he won't jump in your kool-aid.

[dsc]

75. Yes God forbid that I might want

to read or see for myself what you have posted. God forbid that I actually ask the great one to back up what she says. God forbid she be required to state all the people, the date, or the subject matter of a forum. Funny, I get asked by your candidate's supporters for links constantly. Why is it that I am expected to provide links and you aren't? The fact you are too lazy to do so and then a witch when asked reflects poorly on both you and your candidate. I will never ask you for a link again you can count on it. But don't you dare ask me for one.

[Quahog]

57. Yuppers

You got that right, BLM. It's misguided to dismiss someone like Matthews as "stupid." He's not stupid at all. He's a talented entertainer who gets paid boatloads of money because, love him or hate him, he's compelling. He's interesting to watch. You can't be stupid and keep an audience engaged as long as he has. Same thing with Limbaugh, O'Really, Coulter, et al. They may have a lot of sick and twisted ideas about life, but these people are wicked smart, and everything they do is precisely calculated and calibrated to their audience.

BTW, I don't know or care whether Matthews has homosexual cravings or not. But I do know that a gay coworker of mine thinks Dean is hunky, but obviously dead butch. All of the women I work with who know who Dean is think he's a dish. Does any of this matter in selecting the leader of the free world? Hey, couldn't hurt!

[West Coast Democrat]

34. The same things Tweety says about Bush!!

He likes to call Bush the "Marlboro Man," a down-to-earth kind of guy, a man's man.

Now it sounds like Tweety has a crush on Dean also!

[West Coast Democrat]

37. I just got a weird message while trying to post

I'm trying this again.

[West Coast Democrat]

38. This is the note I get while trying to post:

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[blm]

40. I got the same message.

.

[West Coast Democrat]

41. Is it from a hacker?

I wonder if the mods know.

[MODemocrat]

56. I got the same message

and couldn't tell whether or not my message had posted.

[disgruntella]

42. this would be dumb coming from a man or a woman

(That is, a man or woman pretending to be a serious political commentator)

I've got a crush on you, sweetie pie
All the day and night-time give me sigh
I never had the least notion that
I could fall with so much emotion

Could you coo, could you care
For a cunning cottage
That we could share
The world will pardon my mush
'Cause I have got a crush, my baby, on you

http://lyrics.net.ua/song/72663

[disgruntella]

43. this would be silly whether it was a man or woman saying it

(That is, a man or woman pretending to be a serious political commentator)

I've got a crush on you, sweetie pie
All the day and night-time give me sigh
I never had the least notion that
I could fall with so much emotion

Could you coo, could you care
For a cunning cottage
That we could share
The world will pardon my mush
'Cause I have got a crush, my baby, on you

http://lyrics.net.ua/song/72663

[disgruntella]

44. sorry for the dupe

looks like they're having database problems, given the error message (i got it too)

[salin]

46. Matthews and Fawning sometimes makes me wonder

what went on in the intervening years between his being a top aide to Tip O'Niell and today. He does fawn (almost drooling) over different male candidates - and there does seem to be a masculine bit what draws the fawn...

But his earlier boss - doesn't fit that profile. Tip was amazing. But Tip (at least in his later years - haven't seen pics of young Tip) wasn't a "man's man" so to speak - in terms of exuding a macho aura. He was a politician's politician. He was a master strategist. He was the consumate INSIDE player. All of the things that Matthews seems (vocally at least) to find less 'attractive' in candidates (attractive not in a physical sense but in the fawning... oh He's the candidate.... sort of way).

I don't get it.

[salin]

47. Matthews and Fawning sometimes makes me wonder

what went on in the intervening years between his being a top aide to Tip O'Niell and today. He does fawn (almost drooling) over different male candidates - and there does seem to be a masculine bit what draws the fawn...

But his earlier boss - doesn't fit that profile. Tip was amazing. But Tip (at least in his later years - haven't seen pics of young Tip) wasn't a "man's man" so to speak - in terms of exuding a macho aura. He was a politician's politician. He was a master strategist. He was the consumate INSIDE player. All of the things that Matthews seems (vocally at least) to find less 'attractive' in candidates (attractive not in a physical sense but in the fawning... oh He's the candidate.... sort of way).

I don't get it.

[salin]

48. oops - wierd error message

told me the post didn't work... to repost... now I double posted. Sorry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. If Tweety Is So Into Male Physicality

maybe someone should send him some Mapplethope links...

[eleny]

52. The last time I saw Tweety comment on Dean

he said Dean's shirt collars were too tight. :shrug:

[MODemocrat]

53. Bush's socks-in-his- crotch was supposed to win all womens' votes

What's up with these males that they think they can speak for us
women? My husband and my son are both tall, but I don't measure a presidential candidate by his stature. Tweety nor Karl Rove, etc. can
speak for no one.

[eleny]

54. The last time I saw CM comment on Dean

he said Dean's shirt collars were too tight. :shrug:

[eleny]

55. My apologies for the double post

[rocktivity]

58. I see what you mean...

"We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war."

Chris Matthews, May 1, 2003


rocknation

[rocktivity]

59. Another example

"We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war."

Chris Matthews, May 1, 2003


rocknation

[oasis]

69. So Tweety's an authority on what women like? Move over Oprah

and Dr. Phil.

[JohnKleeb]

60. agh

Tweety you sick little monkey
That said I am not gonna ask you to fall in love my candiate's physique. BTW I dont like this physical stuff by Tweety, and its really gonna be annoying if I hear about Kucinich's Croatian blood being a bad thing on him, and I know how Tweety treated Dennis absolutely disgusting :puke:

[rocktivity]

61. Another example

"We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war."

Chris Matthews, May 1, 2003


rocknation

[oasis]

70. "American's like a guy w/ swagger"? "Not complicated like Clinton"?

What American's is he talking about? American Freepers.

How does Tweezer explain why a "complicated" Clinton was elected twice?

[Cocoa]

76. Clinton had a swagger

and I think the right-wing hated it.

Clinton carried himself like an adult. Bush comes off as a teenager. Maybe he started drinking at say age 17 and his personality stopped developing further.

[Ellen Forradalom]

77. and a half.

I always have 'Stayin' Alive' running through my head when I see him walk.

[meow2u3]

62. I wonder if Tweetster is bi?

I know he's married, but does he see guys on the side? He sure acts that way, getting crushes on other men

BTW, not to offend gay DUers, but it is the hypocrisy, stupid!

[rocktivity]

64. Another example

"We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war."

Chris Matthews, May 1, 2003


rocknation

[eleny]

73. Right now on MSNBC...

there's a piece on Kerry. It started out showing him surfing, playing hockey, riding his motorcycle and flying his own plane. The point was made that Kerry's team wants him to be seen as a dare devil and risk take. In a word - macho.

Years ago, shortly after I moved to Colorado, a dear friend of mine explained about our governor's races. She asserted that folks out here like to elect men who "look gubnatorial". I don't know about our current governor. But there may be something in all this that can't be denied.

[blm]

74. MSNBC's spin...Kerry's TEAM wants him to appear macho -

and who cares that he has been doing all these sports since he was a schoolboy. Nevermind that he flew trick planes in college. Now, it's just an "image" for the press to report, unlike the manly president who landed on an aircraft carrier with a bulge in his pants.

Sheesh.

[kskiska]

65. When * was shown at the "ranch" this summer

Tweety was rhapsodizing over the fact that he was "wearing short sleeves." Seemed to turn him on. He hasn't said much about the big-ass presidential seal belt buckles and stitched-on "George W. Bush, President" name tags, though.

[grasswire]

67. tweety's wife....

....is a good-looking blonde who works in broadcast at the local level. IIRC he has a young adult daughter and a couple of sons nearing draft age.

[KoKo]

71. It wouldn't be the first time someone with wife & children was "Bi-" and

his behavior shows he has some problem that he focuses on "Masculinity and Apparal so much."

He uses "manliness" so much that it seems to be his only judgement for anyone seeking political office. That they arephysical specimens of what Tweety's view of masculinity is......they have "balls" he might as well say.

Something offbase there.

[TacticalPeek]

68. Maybe old Tweet is just a rousable guy.

I remember him having the hots for Katherine Harris (as a milf, I guess?).

And don't get him started with a guest on with similar predilections, you'll need a drool mop.