Does anybody here think it was okay for Clinton to cheat on his wife?

[Bandit]

I keep hearing how it is just fine for Ahnold to cheat on his wife and that we are all just a bunch of prudes for thinking consensual sex with someone other than one's wife is okay. Supposedly we all gave Clinton a pass on this. Well I don't know about you but I didn't give anyone a pass on adultry. I gave him a pass on his lying about it because I didn't think the question should have been asked in the first place and I didn't feel it was an impeachable offense. If I would have known before the election I may never have voted for him. We do know about Ahnold. He is a LIAR and a CHEAT should California care?

[wuushew]

1. From a Libertarian standpoint there was nothing wrong with it

it made his wife and daughter sad, but had no effect on the policy of the United States.

[Character Assassin]

46. There is no libertarain or Libertarian standpoint on it.

It's a matter of personal morality, not political freedom.

[wuushew]

57. I disagree

If the crux of libertarian thought is whatever feels good and doesn't hurt others is okay then concepts like morality, religion and telling other people what is right or wrong goes out the window.

[synthia]

59. you think it didn't hurt Chelsea?

[jagguy]

89. it didn't infringe on anyone's life liberty or property

but its not a political matter, its a matter or honor and morality.

You must seperate the two. Its not at all far from the notion of seperation of church and state. You can't legislate morality. You can legislate honor though (breech of promise).

But the main thing is that its not a political issue. As such there is no sense in juxtaposing it to Libertarian thought.

[leftofthedial]

2. it's none of my business

unless he's doing it with my wife

[CMT]

3. No I dont' think it was ok--it just was none of our business

That was a private matter which had no effect on policy--and was consensual between two adults.

[Walt Starr]

4. I have a better question, WTF does your question have to do with anything?

Seriously, it has no bearing on anything whatsoever going on in the world.

[Bandit]

47. Does everything discussed in this forum have to meet with your approval?

I think it is very pertinent to the discussions of the day considering how big a deal the right-wing pundits made it and how they are offering up a candidate who is easily as lacking in character as they insinuated Clinton was. I'm surprised you are so offended by my questions.

[bloom]

50. yes - it does matter

Some people here seem to think that we cannot be critical of A.S. without being critical of Clinton. I think that is false.

A.S. publically expressed attitude toward women is really offensive to me.

Clinton at least seemed to suffer some shame about what he did.

It probably seems terribly quaint - but I would rather people at least pretend to believe in repect and morality.

[slackmaster]

5. It depends on the definition of "cheat"

Does a hummer count?

[jagguy]

84. yes, a hummer counts. If actual humming is involved, double.

ditto a hand job, boobie job and a host of others I'd rather not delve into.

[Kamika]

6. Its not "ok" to cheat

Its just not our business.

Cheating on your wife is bad but it wont make you a bad president.

[Pepperbelly]

7. I would've voted for him anywy ...

someone else's marriage is none of my business and actually, Bandit, I don't think it's yours either. And no, I don't give a shit about Ah-nold's sexual history either. I am concerned that despite the fact that it is untrue, Ah-nold, the rest of the gop, and the whore pundits continue to claim that California has a $38 billion deficit when it isn't true. Now THAT bothers me.

[jagguy]

85. damn near everyone voted to re-elect despite it all

but not EVERYone.

[maxanne]

8. It was none of my business

My question here is, why are Democrats so fascinated with Arnold? Why all the threads to justify his behavior? The man is a pig - we know this. But why flock to defend him? He's a fucking Republican -that's reason enough to vote against him. He's a tool of the Bush cabal - that's reason enough to hate him. Why waste a minute of time on this oaf?

[bitchkitty]

9. No.

My good inner child says that Arnold's penis is no more our business than was President Clinton's.

But my bad inner child thinks of the years-long Arkansas Project, and all the flapping of gums and talking of heads and blue dresses and cigars and on and on for 10 years. My bad inner child says, "Reap the whirlwind, you bastards!"

[bitchkitty]

10. Well,

My good inner child says that Arnold's penis is no more our business than was President Clinton's.

But my bad inner child thinks of the years-long Arkansas Project, and all the flapping of gums and talking of heads and blue dresses and cigars and on and on for 10 years. My bad inner child says, "Reap the whirlwind, you bastards!"

But inner children aside, who cares?

[bitchkitty]

15. Damn -

got an error message, copied the text of the post and reposted, editing slightly. Sorry about that, folks, it won't let me edit.

[robbedvoter]

11. Not OK, not my business. However, had I read about abusive

behavior/language from Clinton towards women it would have turned me off really fast. This is what Arnie's apologists are doing: it's not about infidelity/sex. It's about him being a pig through and through. The kind of man I wipe off my shoe, let alone vote for him.

[sujan]

12. yea

[Heddi]

13. I guess it really doesn't matter to me

because HIS actions (note, not the actions of the republican witch-hunt) did not cause harm to our country (inasfar as I know).

However, the Republican Witch Hunt which pretty much started the day he announced he was running for president DID harm our country, and I have more of an issue of THEIR actions than Clinton's.

I guess I look at it this way:

At my old job, one of my bosses was getting it on with another gal (very openly)---oh and he was married, and his wife and beautiful daughter lived 3,000 miles away.

Do I think it's distasteful? Sure. But then again, I'm not one to cheat on a spouse or sig. other.

Do I think it's WRONG for the sake of marriage? I guess---but how can I make judgements because it's not my marriage, my relationship, my husband, or my wife.

What people do in their own time is their own business, as long as they're not HARMING another person in the process (and while I don't see Adultery as being 'victimless', I don't think that emotional harm via. adultery is the same as emotional harm via. verbal abuse, etc).

I find it more laughable that as a country, we're SO CONCERNED with what Adults do legally in the privacy of their own home.

If he (Clinton, Arnie, My Boss) wants to bang every chick that walks down the block, so be it--as long as their actions do not affect me, or do not affect their job and such.

[radwriter0555]

14. AS didn't cheat on his wife.

And it's not our business if he did.


BC's personal affairs aren't any of our business either.

Go figure.

[Capn Sunshine]

24. There's at least 5 women in H'wood that disagree with that

at last count
And NO , it's nobodies business
Unless you run on a platform of morality and accuse your opponents party of immorality
:nuke:

[radwriter0555]

33. All those lies and rumors have been debunked already...

sooooooo let's knock it off and not play like the republicans.

[Sterling]

53. Your post is a lie and a rumor.

And all over AS, go figure?

[0rganism]

16. What's not okay is spending $90 million on open-ended investigations

The repukes had it in for Clinton from the second he took office.

They spent the next 8 years, and $90million taxpayer dollars, on investigations that unearthed....

A BLOWJOB

I don't really care if Clinton cheated, that's between him and his family to work out. I don't really care if Ahnuld cheated either. But I guess "family values" aren't my strong suite.

If I were a republican, tho, I'd be mighty wary of Ahnold running on a morality platform.

[jagguy]

17. it was wrong and it tarnished the office and him personally

bad all the way around. And its the same for all the other chief executives who did it too.

[Pepperbelly]

22. the caveat you left out was ...

IMO.

Do not pretend that your view on what tarnishes what are some sort of universal imperative.

[jagguy]

28. OK, in my opinion and that of honorable people...

... Bill was wrong to cheat on his wife and by doing so it tarnished his reputation and that of the office he served..

[diplomats]

29. I wouldn't disagree with that

I think a lot of people didn't believe it should've been dragged before the entire world.

[jagguy]

35. Many prior chief executives were not subject to a hyper media

and many others held better control of the media. Ours is free and rabid owing to the increasingly high stakes nature of the biz.

Monica's thing might have escaped scrutiny before. The others are not of that sort.

[Pepperbelly]

31. are you really in the JAG...?

Did you mean to say that ALL honorable people believe what you believe, this placing anyone who doesn't view it that was as somehow "dishonorable" or did you mean to say that some honorable people such as yourself believe that?

[jagguy]

34. is keeping a vow a point of honor ?

marital vows still count as real vows, not guidelines.

To answer your other question, when I drive my car, I'm in my sweet old '89 Jaguar XJ6.

[Pepperbelly]

36. so if I disagree with you on this ...

that means that I am less than honorable? That is the point. In your world, if someone holds a different view or a different way of looking at things like relationships or whatever, do you hold them to be somehow less "honorable" than you?

[jagguy]

39. no, you've step around the question

Mr Clinton took a vow of fidelity to Mrs Clinton. He could have created any form of relationship he wanted and that she would agree to but he took the off-the-shelf one which included a vow before God and the world. He broke that vow. He dishonored that vow and all that it meant. God will forgive him, Mrs Clinton can forgive him but that vow it broken and a new one would be in order.

You and the lovely Mrs Pepperbelly are also free to create any sort of relationship that you desire. I respect anyone's right to do this as I would hope that you would respect any sort of relationship that I undertook with Mrs Jagguy.

But it these relationships include vows and those vows get broken, then dishonor is the result.

The matter of honor lies with the participants. If you value honor you look at the points of honor in the context of their making, not of your views on how points of honor should be crafted.

Hope that is clearer. I know you wish to paint me as some holier than thou sort but its just that I value honor and see in in the only context that it can be seen. I don't much care if others choose to value it or not but I do reccomend doing so.

[dsc]

44. Were you there?

if not, how on earth do you know what their vows said? How do you know what their definition of forsaking all others is? I don't pretend that I like what Clinton did but I think Mrs. Clinton, and Chelsea are the only two whose opinions on the subject matter at all.

[jagguy]

70. their "definition" of foresaking all others ?

that isn't really open to interpretation.

Mrs Clinton is the only one betrayed on this vow, Miss Clinton is an innocent bystander.

We all became invloved in the web of lies spun to try and conceal the original one.

Look at it this way, you happen to see a merchant lie to another customer. He then trys to strike a deal involving trust with you. Can you do business with him knowing that he cannot be relyed upon to be honest ?

[dsc]

73. There are more than a few women

that are more than willing to let the husbands stray sexually as long as they don't emotionally and mentally. You, nor I, have any earthly idea if she is one of those women or not.

[jagguy]

77. I believe its been made pretty clear publically that this is not the case

...

[PAMod]

69. Should we judge someone else's relationship...

based on our ideals? I'd rather stick to whether or not it impacts their job performance.

[jagguy]

71. we should never judge anyone

we can, however, note if they have honor or not.

[karlschneider]

52. But you can not know what 'vows' were made in any particular contract.

Unless you're John Asscrack...in which case you might have been engaging in a little more voyeurism...
:eyes:

[jagguy]

72. they didn't go to the courthouse and I know what their church says

and besides, he admitted as much in public already.

[aquart]

Crap. Do not claim to speak for all honorable people.

You are certainly not my spokesman or have you some spotted dress with which to impugn MY honor?

(Your implication that the office of POTUS was unspotted till Monica took a lick of Bill brands you as too naive to judge anyone.)

[jagguy]

75. look at number 35, I already acknowledged other "spots"

I'm perfectly aware that many before have done the same thing and explained why we don't know about it. And I hold them to the same standard though I cannot know who all they were.

If you're an honorable person by definition, I don't need to speak for you. The rules are simple and unambigous and you'll agree based upon the principles.

[Yupster]

79. He should have kept his hands off the help

It would be easier for me to say it was his own business if it wasn't an intern.

How'd you like to be a pretty blond intern trying to get a good job and you see Monica getting job interviews set up for her by the president's buddy who happens to be on the board of Revlon, American Express and other companies. Then you wonder what makes her such a special intern to attract such attention, and then you find out she's blowing the boss. What is that supposed to tell the interns? --My opinion -- totally inappropriate behavior for any job, especially one paid by the taxpayers.

Also totally inappropraite to put Gennifer Flowers on the payroll in Arkansas when she couldn't even type, and was screwing the boss.

You can say his cheating is his own business, but then he has to keep it away from his taxpayer funded job -- in my opinion.

[jagguy]

82. you said a mouthful... (no pun intended)

really bad management technique.

[dansolo]

81. It tarnished his reputation, but NOT the office

I'd say that the Republicans did far more to tarnish the office of the President than Clinton did. They went after him for partisan reasons, and demonstrated that they can forcibly prevent the President from effectively doing his/her job if enough effort and resources were devoted to it.

[jagguy]

83. If he's faithful, there is nothing to "go after"

but he wasn't and worse he is dishonest with the people about it. Republicans did not declare this activity to be dishonorable, it just is. And as to being partisan, if the pitcher throws one right down the middle do you not swing for the fences ? Two birds with one stone. Everyone does that if they can.

[ieoeja]

18. That's between him and his wife.

Some relationships are more open than others. Just don't fall in love, or bring back any fun diseases.

[jagguy]

88. you could say that had he not involved us with his public denials

at that point the lie went past Mrs Clinton and out to the nation.

[KG]

19. personally. got no problem wit' it.

he and hill might have an 'understanding', for all i know.

but the st. bills self-indulgent dilliance lost a ton of swing voters. billy-boys' ego cost al gore a slam dunk victory in '02k.

[Pepperbelly]

25. disagree ...

I think what did far more to Al was the largely unanswered media shitstorm in which they pretended he was a liar. He left it out there and it became a punch line and conventional wisdom.

[diplomats]

27. Gore never would've had a slam-dunk victory

The RW/BFEE was going to do everything to get back in power, and that's exactly what they did. Besides, Dems don't win elections by huge margins (except Johnson in 1964) like Repukes do.

[aquart]

66. O dear me, is there anyone who really thinks Jeb and Katherine

would have run honest elections if only Bill had kept it zipped?

Yoicks.

[texastoast]

20. Cheat and lead

I just don't care. What I care about is whether a leader can lead and do it well. If hanky-panky actually gets in the way of leading, that would be another story. I wouldn't want a president with an over-active bladder. Too much time away from the business at hand. Same is true of too much sex.

What any of them do in their "spare" time is just not my business. That is between the spouses. In other words to paraphrase John Wayne, "I don't care if the President fucks around as long as he can have supper on the table when I get home."

[ieoeja]

21. And how could you have not known?

Flowers made her appearance early in the primaries, and he admitted having had an affair with her. This "scandal", or rather his handling of it, actually led me to vote for Clinton in the primaries.

[Alenne]

23. I don't care

I'm not married to him.

[Capn Sunshine]

26. It's Between him and his wife

unless one makes a political point otherwise.
Then bets are off.

[Psychoblues99]

30. What makes you think he was "cheating"?

Even if he was, it's between him and Hillary. Personally, I think Hillary was very aware of Bill's wandering ways and had been for a very long time. In fact, I think Hillary has a few skeletons in her closet as well but it is still none of my business. It may be that they have something other than the "traditional marital understanding", if you get my drift. Still, none of my business. I should've never known anything about it and had it not been for a ridiculous and relentless vendetta on the part of the self-righteous and very hypocritical pukes I never would have known about it. The initial investigation was about a suspected crooked real estate deal and it should have stayed on that topic. End of subject.

Psychoblues

Dems Gotta Keep On Truckin'.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,,.,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,,.,.,.,,..,,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,,.,.,.

[DealsGapRider]

32. It was no one's business but his...

...but no, it was not all right.

[MaryBear]

37. No, it is not ok with me. However,

it is between him and his wife. I am more interested in his behavior in office. If he has sex in the oval office, that is not ok. If he uses state or fed employees to procure women or to service him, willingly or not, that is not ok.

Unfortunately, I would vote for him in a minute over *. But if I had a candidate who thought with her brain, I would choose her over Clinton because of his behavior in the oval office.

[TEXASYANKEE]

38. I hate that strawman!

That "we all gave Clinton a pass on it" that I hear unendingly from Repubs. I didn't give him a pass on adultery. I thought it was shameless and unbecoming of his office. But it simply wasn't any of my business. His sexual escapades are between him and Hillary and never should have been used to impeach him.

And I could care less about Arnold's sex life. It is simply none of my business. If more Repubs shared this sentiment, we might be enjoying a better world.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. what a waste of thought energy...

[bitchkitty]

41. General concensus seems to be

that it's none of our business, and I agree!

[Gin]

42. None of my business.

gin

[Sterling]

43. I say no.

But it is between he and his wife and that's where my interest ends.

[Robin Hood]

45. It's none of my business. It's between him and his family.

When he screws the country, That's when it becomes my business.

[tjdee]

48. Ding ding ding!

Hillary got past it, and so did I. And even if Hillary didn't get past it, it still had nothing to do with how he conducted government business.

[MODemocrat]

49. I don't think anyone's personal problems should be made public

I was a little disappointed in Bill Clinton's infidelity, but, after all, it was none of my business. It didn't put this country in danger,
and it didn't make the economy tank, so it was no one's business.

[robbedvoter]

51. It's not about cheating, but ABUSING women!

Read this:

  http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/29/1417241
Friday, August 29th, 2003
The Terminator As Predator? A Look at Arnold on Sex, Abuse, Drugs, &
Women

It says among other things how his wife said that if she'd be raped, he'd leave her because she'd be damaged goods.
It also talks about Arnold treating women like meat.
THIS IS THE OFFENSE!
I would have never voted for Clinton if an attitude like this existed towards women! Do not equate the too just because the word SEX is present!

[opihimoimoi]

54. And besides, How many of those Pubs cheated on their wives??

Newt comes to mind, he cheated while his wife was in the hospital for gods sake, recovering from cancer surgury no less, then he hands her the walking papers. How gross was that???

[Cheswick2.0]

60. Clinton, None of our business.... Arnold bragged in mag, so out business

he bragged about his exploits in a national magazine in graphic and frankly bizarre terms. I would rather a Pres who cheats than someone like AS who took part in a public spectacle that was all about the other men and who could screw the nearest hole with a bigger tool.

[ScreamingMeemie]

63. and then sloughs it off with a "I never thought I was going to be a

politician. Ohhhhhh...that makes it okay then? WTF??

[bloom]

65. from 'The Terminator As Predator?' - Democracy Now

PETER MANSO:..." He was going to be a movie star and once that fizzled he was anticipating a career in business or as he put it, possibly even politics. ...

I know that on very good account that six, seven, eight years ago, Arnold bought up for the sum of $1 million the rights of film "pumping iron" and all the outtakes for that film- the cinema verite film- These guys constantly had the camera running in Golds gym. I'm told that the outtakes of the film really chronicle the very orgies that Arnold talks about in the interview.

Now, why would Arnold, rich as he is, peel off a million bucks to buy up the rights a half dozen years ago if he wasn't anticipating a political run sooner or later...."

__________

covering his tracks

[Terwilliger]

87. Reporter:..said you had sex with some woman...Clinton: I did not have sex

WRONG ANSWER! He made it the nation's business.

[veracity]

55. Geez......

...the freaking world is falling apart, - people are dying - there are no jobs for millions of people, - Iraq is blowing itself up, - Bush is ready to go for another four years... and you're still hung up on Bill's affairs?
Why do you even care???????????? What business do you have asking for moral judgments about anyone's sex life except yours and your partner's.
A whole thread on a political forum about Bill's cheating habits. Spare me!

[VermontDem2004]

56. It depends

I know married couples who occasionally have relationships with other people and are ok with it and they believe it help keeps their marriage alive. I guess sometimes staying with the same person the rest of your life may cause problems, maybe it won't :shrug:. If the spouse is ok with it and knows about it, I say it is ok. Maybe I have no morals for not having a problem with it.

[imax2268]

58. it happens everyday

in this country...so to be honest...no...I don't care...!

At least no troops died because of a blowjob...

[salin]

61. The response:

(to the person saying this)... "Oh, so YOU gave Bill Clinton a pass?" (Chances are that the person saying this didn't).

It is all about consistency. It either always matters or it never matters. Hold those using this line to that level of standard. If they say that they never held it against Clinton, never talked crap during the impeachment, never made obnoxious comments about the "bimbo effect" ... then giving AS a pass makes sense.

[Rex]

62. To me, he let his vanity get in the way of his position as POTUS.

I mean, it was NO ONES business what he did privately IMO. However, it seemed like he allowed the repukes free reign to run roughshod over procedures and rules of edict. All he had to do (easy for me to say) was come out and let it be known, "yeah, I screwed Monica - so what?" The fact that he wouldn't fess up to it allowed slim balls like Gingrich to go apeshit with false righteousness (something that shouldn't be seen in Congress) and waste millions for investigations and eventually, impeachment. If Clinton would have just said it, "Yeah I did it." Then what would the Repukes have done? Nothing! But Clinton didn't, and it got WAY outta hand.

Just my 2 cents.

[jagguy]

86. Honesty is the best policy

and it sure would have defused things quickly. Problem is that it would have made legal problems with those women who were trying to prosecute him get much worse and much more expensive.

I don't think I'd say it was vanity. More like machismo and legalism in combo.

[aquart]

64. It was up to Hillary to kill or maim him. She didn't.

It was not my business and it wasn't yours.

I would prefer my leader screw his mistress than our country.

Bush is doing America up the ass. I would so much rather he'd chosen an intern.

[Terwilliger]

74. so then...its ok if AHH-nold slept around

ok...I catch that

[Lindacooks]

67. The point is...

Clinton's extramarital affair was a private matter. He wasn't going around condemning Repukes for their affairs. Repukes are constantly shoving 'family values' at us, try to unseat a duly elected President over a personal matter, then try to say those same actions are ok when a Republican does them. The hypocrisy is the problem. Besides, Clinton's affair didn't mirror his position on women's issues. I have a problem with Repukes who do everything they can to destroy women's rights while treating them as sex objects in their personal life.

[BonjourUSA]

68. True shame

A man (president or not) revealing his private life in front of the whole world and answering silly questions because bigots force him to do that.

Chirac is famous for its "strong temperament". That does not matter, That's HIS life.

[userdave2061]

76. Who says he cheated?

It may have been an agreement between them. Obviously in todays world that agreement would not be acceptable by many of the voters.

Just as in math the swap() function is often used to sort things out.

[jagguy]

80. he said he cheated

it was in all the papers. It was shortly after he said he didn't cheat. Then he came clean.

[Best_man23]

78. No, but

If given the choice between that and what we have with Whistle Ass, I would give Big Dog a pass, even if he pulled a train on the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.

[Arianrhod]

90. no, I don't think it was ok.

But it was not illegal, either.

Virtually every Republican attacking Clinton was doing exactly the same thing he was. Newt Gingrich was the worst offender on both counts.

Anyone remember the congressional page scandal of 1983? At least one Republican didn't seem to mind having sex with young interns back then. The offenders were censured, but it was left up to the voters to get rid of them. Interestingly, the Democrat, Gerry Studds, was re-elected 5 times after that. And to top it off, because of the scandal he became the first openly gay member of Congress.

The people don't care about politicians' sex lives. Such gossip is good only for political mudslinging; sexual activity has no real effect on anyone's ability to govern, and most people understand that.

Still, I'm a firm believer in throwing the "neo"cons' tactics right back in their faces. IMO, it's the only way to stop the propaganda and keep things in proper perspective. So even though my conscience cringes a bit for this attitude, I think Arnold should be skewered politically for every skeleton in his closet. This recall is nothing but another Republican power grab, an early attempt to steal 2004, so for me all the restraints are let go.

[wuushew]

92. Newt was violating Georgia law!

AFFECTED PORTIONS OF GEORGIA'S CODE

16-6-2

(a) A person commits the offense of sodomy when he or she performs or submits to any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

(b) A person convicted of the offense of sodomy shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.

16-6-18

An unmarried person commits the offense of fornication when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with another person and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

16-6-19

A married person commits the offense of adultery when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/georgia/ganews04.htm

[Forkboy]

91. It was a shitty thing to do to someone he supposedly loved.

imho

[Liberator_Rev]

93. Exposing the President's sex life was akin to . . .

something the Bible treated as totally deplorable behavior, i.e. exposing another person's nakedness. As in Genesis 9:22-23: And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness.
What Clinton did may have been deserving of a measure bit of criticism (although not by people guilty OF MUCH MORE DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR THEMSELVES). But many decent people find the efforts of the Greedy Old Party and the "Religious Right" to expose this one man's intimate behavior to the whole world totally abhorent.

And since they refused to look at the much worse behavior of their own hot shots, that made them perfect examples of what Jesus hated most, "hypocrites".

I've devoted a whole page to the big dog at http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Clinton .

[redeye]

94. Yes, it was okay

It was amusing to read the saga as it went along (and "I did not have sex with that woman" is still one of my favorite statements), and I liked the fact that the 1990s were liberal enough so that even the president gave blowjobs. However, frankly I don't think anyone's sex life is anyone else's business, maybe except for his/her SO. He could be John Fucking Kennedy for all I care when it comes to loyalty to his wife.

[mulsh]

95. It's not ok for me to cheat on my wife so I don't

but I don't really care what you or any one else does in their marriage.

I also don't care if anyone lies about sex. I haven't met anyone who doesn't lie about their sex lifes. My marriage, like many, is a lot more than sex.

I don't care if arnold has been shtuping everything that moves. He hasn't presented any qualifications for any office. He also hasn't presented any evidence that he understands the basics of governance or that he or his handlers are ready to address any of the serious problems we have here in the golden state.

Clinton, and even the two other repug candidates have demonstatrated their profound understanding of the issues, mechanics of politics and governance. arnold is a bufooon and mouthpiece for the bushies. he deserves to be reviled for his current antics . Hit him hard and hit him often.