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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:17 PM Original message |
Motherhood is an important responsibility, NOT A JOB! |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. its actually both. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Been there, done that..... |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. i have an ex who said he couldn't babysit for me |
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rkc3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm feeling all verklampt over this. Talk amongst yourselves. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. Here is a thread on this from this morning. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Associates Degree in the field of Childhood Development & Human |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Unpaid work without benefits, pension or vacations from... |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
90. This is the acid test: |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. is fatherhood a job? |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That's what I always ask... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I blame my dad more than my mom |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. why isn't this up for national debate? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Right. And the best way to put a woman in her place is still to |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. boy...is that ever the truth eom |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
91. but don't you know, all women want is a freaking Hallmark card |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. hey there |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. No if it was it would pay. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
85. And that's the whole goddamned point. If you keep insisting it *isn't* |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:38 AM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Little bitter? |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. Good response |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. a lot of jobs aren't respected or valued |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. It is. And, like motherhood, it is a job whether or not you have another. |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. It is a job. And women should be paid by the State for doing it. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. raising a child to become a state job? |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes. In the sense that our whole society actually depends on children. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. raising a child is NOT a state function |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I agree |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. I never said it was. Nor did I equate a mother with a soldier. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. yeah...working my ass off so my wife can stay home with |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. The State Does pay for child rearing. Who paid for your schooling? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. my daughter is two...so I guess fisher-price is her education |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. My point is that children are not children for life. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. no, it takes me and my wife to raise our children |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. In the end your children will become citizens. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. and the type of citizen they become |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
130. "Human beings do not come cheap, let alone free." bullshit |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
92. It's like a Chris Rock skit |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:13 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. yeah...gotta love Chris Rock |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
133. Yes it is |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. your attempt to raise our child |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. What? Raise your own kid |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. no...never...no state payments n/t |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-04 05:15 AM Response to Reply #136 |
141. 1/3 of all american kids live in poverty.. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-04 05:35 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. stay the hell away from our kid |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-04 06:53 AM Response to Reply #142 |
143. You're making up paranoid illusions |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-04 07:27 AM Response to Reply #143 |
145. horsehockey |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. this whole thread is about being told how to raise your kids |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes, could be in the form of "real" tax credit |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
117. I absolutely agree with you. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
131. I will pay women not to have kids. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. No - the State could then tell me what to do |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
123. The State tells you what to do anyway. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. That's madness |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
120. At one time education of the poor was considered "madness". |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. I don’t think we should be encouraging people to have kids. |
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Danocrat (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. An interesting question |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Sorry to hear that. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. I don't know if you should have been fired for it. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
13. OK, so what do you call it when you raise 2 children & work full time? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Yes! |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. That is the other side of this I don't think people consider. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Raising kids while working. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
127. Actually - I do think it is like having two jobs |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. This reminds me a jiacinto post |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. That can't be a compliment right? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. lol...sorry |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
105. remember the Africa fix? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
19. I would call it a lifestyle. |
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Heddi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. Why is it a job if someone ELSE cares for your kids (daycare) |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. Because |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. This is a classist view |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
115. It is not |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. I'm wondering why you posted this... |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Because Mrs. Kerry said Stepford wife has never had a real job. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. Motherfuckerhood is a job... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
35. Define Job (n/t) |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
36. And a job is an important responsibility |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Depends on your job really. |
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SarahB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
39. It's a job that means nothing to society. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. But it means a lot to your family and your kids. |
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SarahB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. It's been good for my children. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I do lots of things I am proud of that are not my "job" |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
129. sooooo... you are assuming that "jobs" are all about money... eom |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
42. Hogwash. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I disagree. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Then you don't "disagree". |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. No I still disagree. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Silliness. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I would say having children is part of living. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. have you ever felt like life is a "job"? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Nope! The day I start defining my life in the language of the business |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. I'd be lying if I said |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
97. Well, I'd be inclined to say there's "life's work" or the "work of life" |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Yes then everything is a job. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. That's work. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
126. Yes, that's my point. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Try putting it on your resume. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. And with this post |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
125. Good luck with the kids. |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Whoever said that a job or work is a negative thing? |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Parenting |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. and a responsibility you can't foist onto others |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Yet some do. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
132. exactly |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Working is a choice. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's relevant because.... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I see |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Well I certainly |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. I agree |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. It's great you can do that and honorable as well. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. We're fine as long as |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. Right and that has been what kept women under the thumb |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Those are the good ole days. Now mommy works too. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 07:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
99. Clue: Women were working before "womens lib" |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. My grandmother became a working mother in 1918... |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
124. Sure but not like today. |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
64. Less than two weeks to go until the most important election... |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Chill out |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. You caught me. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Oh No |
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Mr Blond (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
71. You're wrong. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 08:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Is that all you got? |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 09:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I notice |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
80. I think it's like saying Mother Teresa did "just a job"..... |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
82. Tomato, tomahto |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-04 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
83. I looked upon Motherhood more as an Honor. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. I agree. And it's a beautiful thing that it is NOT monetary |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 03:38 AM Response to Original message |
93. You Can Get By Without Being a Mother |
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Is It Fascism Yet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
96. The most important one |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
101. parents do an important JOB...they keep the human race going |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
128. I think we have enough people in that industry already. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
139. that may be true...but people die |
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MISSDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
103. Not a job. If you can't afford to stay at home and raise |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
104. Motherhood and fatherhood are NOT jobs -- but they ARE work. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
121. unpaid jobs? |
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Butterflies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
106. I agree. |
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wickywom (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Do you have any children? |
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wickywom (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
110. Neither motherhood nor fatherhood is a job... |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
111. It is the most important JOB I have ever had in my life. |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
119. Thanks, Sterling. Long time no see. Important issue and I agree. |
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greekspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
122. It is not a job, in the sense one is employed, but it is clearly hard work |
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porkrind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
138. It's different than a job... |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-04 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
140. Job implies pay |
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Cabbage (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-04 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
144. A job is a responsibility |
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