I think I became an aetheist last night

[RummyTheDummy]

See, the God I would want to worship would care about the butchering of innocent children in Iraq with more in Iran and Syria on deck.

I guess he doesn't. So I've come to a conclusion. When you die, you get buried and worms eat you. That's it.

[drhilarius]

1. If other people came to that conclusion...

Bush wouldn't win this.

[fishwax]

27. slight logical flaw there

since the people who would vote for bush would see thsi is as further proof of the almighty.

[Sirveri]

2. Just because Bush might have won and so many people

turned out to vote for him doesn't mean that the True God, if one exists, is on their side.

[RummyTheDummy]

4. Well, he's certainly not on the side of the people

We've murdered in Iraq and those who we WILL murder in Iran and Syria. No, I think if there is a God, he's firmly on the side of the average SUV driving, mega church attending GOP pig. I can draw no other conclusions.

[ladjf]

13. There is a global epidemic of religionism which the fascists

use to gain and hold power.

[Jack_DeLeon]

3. see the fundies would say...

that you just didnt pray hard enough. :crazy:

[fujiyama]

5. It reconfirmed

my own disbelief in God.

I always felt a KErry win would be a miracle.

Such did not pass. The senate margins make this all the more difficult to accept.

We're going to one party rule...and I fear it will be for a LONG time.

[eleonora]

6. didn't the God of the Bible warn of HARD TIMES for REAL Christians??

How FITTING...the fakes are having it EASY

[datasuspect]

19. what is this differentiation

between REAL and FAKE christians?

all you have to do to be a christian is accept jesus as your personal lord and savior and be saved.

your works don't get you into heaven anyway . . .

[SudieJD]

25. I Agree..

Look at what Moses went through. Being a Christian (a true Christian) means never giving up. It means that we're on the right hand of God, because we care about his people.

Christian's have always had it hard. We just have to endure.

Sudie in MN

[drhilarius]

7. Let me chime in: Believers, fuck your god.

If he exists, which he doesn't, then he's an asshole.

He doesn't exist, of course, but the idea of him has cost us dearly, thus repeating a trend that has plagued humanity for centuries.

[jdj]

26. it's amazing to me how these fundies are the ones most likely

to lie cheat and steal when it comes to elections.

The ones claiming to be most moral are the most immoral ones.

I guess that makes sense when most moral people have more sense than to claim superior morality.

[BonjourUSA]

8. Welcome into the club

and find an English world for the French one : laïc (VERY STRICT separation between state and churchES).

[dbt]

9. I'll see your atheism and

raise you a conversion to Wicca. It's time to give the Goddess a whack at it!

:freak:
dbt

[lapfog_1]

10. This neither confirms nor denies

the existence of God.

Just as the murder of millions of Jews didn't, or the many
many other horrible things that have happened in the past.

I can't answer as to why, all I can say is that either God
does not exist OR he no longer pays that much attention to
the actions of one of His many creations (that being us).

God is a creature of faith, just as liberty and freedom as
our inalienable rights are creatures of faith.

We must all "keep the faith, baby"! (faith in democracy,
faith in freedom and liberty... though these may be the
darkest days since the inception of this nation of the
people and by the people).

[booksenkatz]

11. This is what I'll say to the fundies

"God has turned his back on America because we've embraced war and bigotry." I'm an agnostic who sometimes believes and sometimes does not, but I'll talk to them in THEIR terms and turn their bullshit right back around on them. Because if God does exist, there is no way a force that is for alleged good would sanction war abroad and the creation of further poverty and desperation here at home. The only other alternative is that God exists and he is one evil motherfucker.

[info being]

12. Bout time.

[Neverarepublican]

14. We have two options

We have two ways of the looking at our situation:

1. America is on on dive into a fall that history will compare to The Roman Empire falling. The people of American (51%) of them are complacent, egotistic,
greedy, ignorant and fearful. Bush has orchestrated by hook or crook to be re-selected. Only time will show the end result.

2. Or we can get real religious and believe that Bush is the anti-Christ and the end of the world is near. He has snookered 51% of Americans or has somehow cheated to get that result. Lets think about it, 51% of Americans are brainwashed in to believing that 100,000 dead Iraqis, 1100+ of our troops dead is OK. Would Jesus agree?

Either option is not very appealing. For those that our enlightened, enjoy your life now the best way you can for time is not on our side.

[pen dragon]

15. christianity has transcended Jesus' opinion by now I'm sure

[Tsiyu]

16. Whether you believe in God or not, evil is evil

People are responsible for evil, not some demonic master who possesses command of the world.

Twelve years ago, the day after Clinton won the presidency ironically, I lost my faith in god, the judicial system, my own judgement.

I had to face four kids with holes in their hearts. My own was mangled, well past broken. And I had to explain why we all felt that way. I had to explain - and could not - why an ignorant Georgia judge -appointed by Zell Miller - thought beating women and children was a fine thing, to be rewarded by giving the abuser custody of a two-year-old.

I always come close to meltdown this time of year. Especially when there is an election. Yesterday was flashback city. I tried to watch F9/11 for the first time and broke down sobbing halfway through.

Today, the day after, is Return of the Flashback

Same hole in the heart.
Same inability to explain the victories of evil.


That judge and that abuser and his attorneys tried to destroy me. They didn't. My happy little ass is still here. Now the world knows who Zell Miller is. I don't have to tell them anymore. My son is doing well, in spite of it all. His brothers and sister are doing well.

I had another son. For weeks I had nightmares. I was on trial and they were taking my baby away. but one morning I woke up and he was still there and I realized he was mine to keep. That's when I found that balance of good and bad. People have to fix people mistakes. Any god, good, whatever, has to have a little help.

I gave up, too many times to count. The bottom line, whether you believe in god or not, is that good must survive. People just have to fight for good sometimes. And believe me, it hurts.


Cheers :toast:

[bleedingheart]

17. I am with you!

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. I fear that we will now become a target to the world

If we don't proceed in holding Bush accountable for the mistakes he has already made, the world may take it upon themselves to slow us down in their own way.

[Serenades]

20. Freewill

everyone has freewill. unfortunately, most americans are stupid. that is a fact. we're talking about people who say gwb makes them safe when the biggest terror attack occured on his watch.

[datasuspect]

21. free will

is god's copout

that's the way he gets all the praise and none of the blame.

[Shopaholic]

22. I'm finding a hard time this morning reconciling the

Christian beliefs that I have with the ones that these idiots claim to have. But I know that I actually live a life that believes that others were born equal to me, no matter the color of their skin, or their sexual preference. I know that just because I have a good job, that many, many people don't and that they should be supported, not scorned. I'm afraid that when a lot of these folks die they're going to be very surprised at where they end up at--but at least they'll have plenty of company. Me, I hope for better things both in this life and the one in the hereafter. I just know this morning, more than ever, that anything worth having is worth fighting for and that we've all got to dig in and fight like we've never fought before to expose these folks for what they really are. They talk the talk but they do not walk the walk. We've got to show them up for the hypocrites that they are. And if it means losing my religion to find my faith, then so be it. I just don't want to be associated with these right-wing zealots, bigots, and thugs anymore.

[Snellius]

23. If God were on Bush's side he would have put WMDs in Iraq

.

[myrna minx]

24. I feel so sad and betrayed by god, but I'm posting this

for anyone that is in need of some peace...

The peace prayer of St. Francis

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life

[laruemtt]

28. if native peoples everywhere

could maintain faith while being exterminated by the great white father, if the Jews in Auschwitz could maintain faith while being sent to the ovens, i don't think we have any excuse to give ours up. maybe i'm just a gullible idiot, but i look at the sweet face of my little trusting guinea pig and i can't believe that sweetness is just an accidental occurrence or somehow a random gene configuration resulted in her sweetness or that of all the loving pets in the world. nature proves to me everyday this isn't an accident. yeah, humans are fucked up, but i've always felt that. we're going to go through a dark period. remember the Dark Ages? whatever everyone believes or doesn't believe, i've gotta go with ghandi's "become the change you want to see in the world." otherwise we're part of the problem. that's the only choice we have.

boy, do i need more coffee.