Kerry Wows New Hampshire Crowd

[Starpass]

Just caught about 30 seconds of this on MSNBC. They now have an "embeded" reporter with each of the nine candidates who will be reporting from the campaign trail. I'm sketchy on the details of where this rally was held in New Hampshire. It was some labor rally and Gephardt was the big speaker but Kerry was there and gave a speech, also. Reporter talked about he really got this crowd on it's feet and cheering him. Reporter (via telephone from rally) ended by saying that the enthusiastic reception Kerry received shocked his campaign staff (they didn't expect it) and, needless to say, shocked the Gephardt campaign staff for the opposite reason. This thing isn't wrapped up for anyone yet, folks. There are other interest groups within these states to appeal to, like labor, and it's interesting to see who they will respond to. Now the issues campaign begins---there is more to talk to people about than the Iraq war and there are active Dems who supported the war in these states. Oh, and the embedded reporter giving this report was the one embedded with the Gephardt campaign.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

1. Can't you see that Kerry is the Establishment's Democratic alternative...

The corporate media has to hedge their bets with one of the Democratic candidates and they are simply trumpeting Kerry as their selection.

...God forbid that a popular Democratic uprising take place in this country.

Kerry SUCKS and Lieberman doubly.

JB

[Cha]

2. I get the same feeling!

[Starpass]

3. Can't you see that the WHORE media who sold us Bush 24/7

is trying to give us the candidate ROVE wants so they can eat him for breakfast---hence, all the interviews, coverstories, etc. about Howard Dean??? Do you think they finally decided to be real nice to Dems and cheer them on to victory. Grow up and wake up. It's Howard all the time...and the whore anchor really tried to shut the reporter off when she started to pump up Kerry. Rove Does NOT want Kerry or Clark. And the lemmings go marching, marching, marching onward, downward and over the cliff........

[Cha]

7. No the whore press is not trying to give us Howard Dean....

Howard Dean is working for everything that he Gets! :kick:


It doesn't matter who the fuck rove wants because bush is going down!

[clar]

9. Don't rise to the bait

I don't for one moment believe that Kerry's a DLC business as usual candidate. I also highly doubt that Rove is salivating at the thought of running against Dean. Check out the freepers on this sometime. They've gone from loving the idea of Dean to seeing him as Bush's biggest threat. And calling me- and many others- lemminngs is hardly helpful. Try some civility. It's a much better lubricant than derision.

[blm]

4. Yeah...that's why Dean has been given all the corporate media oxygen

for the last 7 months.

[newsguyatl]

5. oy vey

not this bullshit again :eyes:

maybe if kerry had STEPPED UP his campaign and ENERGIZED the base like dean has, HE'D be getting the media attention...

face the facts folks! and stop with the "dean getting all the attention for so long" bullshit! because that's all it is.

[Larkspur]

6. There was nothing stopping Kerry from attracting media attention

during the same time that Dean was getting his.

Dean put a strategy together that got grassroots supporters excited -- winning the 2nd QTR fundraising battle was a BIG help --, and attracted the media's attention.

You have to do something to get attention. Kerry didn't do much hence the lack of media attention.

[newsguyatl]

10. exactly!

not only that, KERRY ACTUALL HAD THE UPPER HAND because he was ALREADY being recognized as the nominal FRONTRUNNER... and YES, even by the media... but what happened? his campaign has gotten off to a slow start, he's failed to energize the base, he's failed to attract a large following, he's failed to distinguish himself, he's failed to give democrats real hope the way dean has... THAT'S why dean's gotten the attention...

can kerry do it? perhaps... after all, he's got a great example to go by now :eyes:

[Eloriel]

12. He sure does have a great example to go by

In fact, if it weren't for Dean, Kerry wouldn't have a campaign at all, the way he keeps stealing Dean's lines and some of his policies too.

Eloriel

[blm]

11. That wasn't Carville's view

when he said that early on it was Kerry that was criticizing Bush the most substantively.

Then there's that curious myth that the media created about Dean being the liberal antiwar candidate when anyone with a cursory view of politics knew that Dean was neither liberal or antiwar. In fact, they went out of their way to establish Dean as the liberal antiwar candidate while they ignored Kucinich speaking in front of millions of people at antiwar rallies.

You think that occurred in a vacuum?

[Eloriel]

14. The media still calls him a liberal

Dean gets it from thee sides -- some in his own party (leaders!) who for SURE ought to know better, people here, and the media. Other times he's criticized here and by pundits for being too conservative.

That must mean he's just right -- not too hot, not too cold.

Eloriel

[Cha]

8. No Dean has earned his media attention and you are so

Jealous!

[blm]

13. Hahah...I don't have a jealous bone in my body.

If you had one clue about who I am as an entire person, you would take back what you said.

My observations about Dean are the same as the ones I came to back when he was on par with Kucinich in the polls. I challenge you to point to how those observations are based on jealousy.

[Cha]

16. No, I just know how you act on this board and everything you've

come out with about Dean it seems like you're jealous because he's getting all the attention from kerry who voted with bush on the Attack on Iraq!

[Octafish]

15. Wrong. Get your fact straight.

John Kerry has fought the Bush Organized Crime Family his entire Senate career. Practically singlehandedly, Kerry investigated the BCCI affair. His work serves as a virtual map of the Bush criminality — from the October Surprise of 1980 to arming Iraq and helping the terrorists and drug dealers on both sides of Iran-Contra to Selection 2000.

Don't take my word for it. Here's a sampler, from the Federation of American Scientists:

EXCERPT..

BCCI, THE CIA AND FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE

Introduction

The relationships involving BCCI, the CIA, and members of the United States and foreign intelligence communities have been among the most perplexing aspects of understanding the rise and fall of BCCI. The CIA's and BCCI's mutual environments of secrecy have been one obvious obstacle. For many months, the CIA resisted providing information to the Subcommittee about its involvement with and knowledge of BCCI. Moreover, key players who might explain these relationships are unavailable. Some, including former CIA director William Casey, and BCCI customers and Iranian arms dealers Ben Banerjee and Cyrus Hashemi, are dead. Others, including most of BCCI's key insiders, remain held incommunicado in Abu Dhabi. While promising in public hearings to provide full cooperation to the Subcommittee, to date the Abu Dhabi government has refused to make any BCCI officers available for interview by the Subcommittee. Former BCCI chairman Agha Hasan Abedi remains severely incapacitated due to a heart attack. Finally, some persons in a position to know portions of the truth have denied having any memory of events in which they participated and of documents which they reviewed.

A baseline for assessing the BCCI-CIA story is the CIA's official record of its use of BCCI and its targeting of the bank, as set forth in several hundred CIA records created from 1982 through 1992. That record was, by and large, accurately represented by CIA acting director Richard Kerr in public testimony on October 25, 1991, supplemented by more detailed, classified testimony on October 31, 1991. Unfortunately, that record also contains ostensible gaps in knowledge on the part of the CIA about the activities of key contacts in the Middle East for U.S. intelligence -- including BCCI shareholders Kamal Adham and Abdul Raouf Khalil, and BCCI customer and Iran/Contra arms merchant Adnan Khashoggi -- which strain belief.

Outside the documentary record provided to the Subcommittee by the CIA, there is additional material, consisting of BCCI documents, testimony from BCCI officials and insiders, and extrinsic, circumstantial and historic information describing other substantial contacts between BCCI and the intelligence community. These include contacts between BCCI and:

** former U.S. intelligence officials, including a former head of the CIA;

** former and current foreign intelligence officials; and

** individuals engaged in covert operations on behalf of the United States government, including in the Iran/Contra affair.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm

[Starpass]

17. Let.'s get the ear wax out

I said that Kerry whipped up a labor crowd to day that dismayed even his own staff and shocked Gephardt. It was suppose to be the other way around. Oh, golly, no, gee whiz, Kerry isn't suppose to be energizing people. Therefore, it has to be a lie, a myth, so much media garbage (unfortunately, they were showing it live, cheering and all) 'cause only Howard has them standing in the isles. You are going to have a lot more of this and you are going to have to deal with it and not just use the "Kerry blew it and can't energize anyone" or "too late for Clark". It's Labor Day and the campaign now has just begun and there are other candidates who will have them standing in the asile......oh, I don't think those bluecollar labor dudes were DLC, do you???

[Starpass]

18. A reply to blm

Right on brother or sister!!...exactly what I've been thinking for a few months. I saw those debates with all the candidates and the individual appearances before groups as covered by C-Span. Goddamnit, a lot of these guys (and gal) were making 'in you face' remarks about Bush, challenges to Bush, sticking it to Bush, etc. and not ONE GODDAMN word of it presented by the media....simply "liberal" Howard's words (nothing different from the others). And every time I see "liberal" Howard interviewed, he gets red in the ears and spews "I am NOT a libral". Sooo, as you indicated--exactly whose creation is all of this bull???--and why???