The parallel between Arnold's gang rape and Enron et al's gang rape

[AP]

Some enterprising DU'er should write a parody of the OUI article and Arnold's subsequent comments replacing the woman with the California Taxpayer.

Something like this: "so Ken Lay and Pete Wilson and I were down in the board room and this taxpayer walked in. She was brown. But we're all pumped up with the thought of making a lot of money so we took her upstairs..."

"Sometimes I think about taking the taxpayer's head and sticking it in the toilet..."

And his response to the story: "you have to understand, we were trying to build up a privatized energy industry...it was all about how much money we could make..."

[Clete]

1. I think you could write this yourself.

You have the scene and the story. That is most of the work. Write it!:-)

[AP]

2. OK. Who has a copy of the OUI article. Don't be shy.

...

[Wonk]

6. thesmokinggun.com does :-)

Scans, though, so you can't just copy-paste then edit, you'll have to retype it.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/arnoldinter1.html

[IndianaGreen]

3. I will ask the same question Chris Matthews asked from that idiot Torres

Do you have any evidence that Arnold mistreated or raped women?

Torres, who obviously copied the same tactics that Karl Rove uses, kept repeating a British tabloid story, but he was forced to admit that he had no evidence.

[dsc]

4. Define mistreated

I would call the sexual harrassing behavior that more than a few women accuse him of having done mistreatment. I agree that there is no evidence of rape but both the harrassment and his treatment of his wife (by being a horndog) constitute mistreatment of women to me.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Do you mean "horndog" as Big Dog was to Hillary?

As Chris Matthews asked, where is the evidence?

[AP]

7. What's appalling to me is that he felt that it was OK

to relate a story which sounded like gang rape. Whether it's true or not, it's a pretty sick attitude. Especially with the racial element.

Note that Republicans for years tried to spread the lie that Clinton had a black baby. For the same reasons that Republicans used the race angle to hurt Clinton, Arnold provides that little detail in his OUI story -- it's really racist.

[IndianaGreen]

12. Well, Joe Klein said as much in "Primary Colors"

If this is the basis of the Democratic campaign against Arnold, then you guys are indistinguishable from the GOP!

I suggest that all of you take a BIG CLUE from Cruz Bustamante, and concentrate on the issue of which is the only candidate that has a real plan to fix California's problems? Hint: His name appears on my avatar.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. so someone who wrote a movie is an authority on thruth?

He wrote a movie, it was based on a clinton type character, but it was still fiction.
Bustamante may not talk of Arnolds character, but thousands of women both conservative and liberal will care and they will vote accordingly.

[dsc]

9. If you think I am going to defend

Clinton's treatment of his wife you are barking up the wrong tree. He mistreated her and had it been me his ass would have been kicked to the curb.

[IndianaGreen]

13. I respect that, dsc!

I truly respect that! I am glad to see that you hold everyone to the same standard, regardless of party.

[dsc]

17. Thanks

and to be perfectly clear. I wasn't in favor of Impeaching Clinton over his bad behavior and nor am I in favor of not voting for Arnold due to what has been documented on him. There are plenty of other good reasons not to vote for Arnold, such as the fact he hasn't had 5 minutes of governmental experience, that he hasn't had any experience running anything, that we have no idea what he thinks about several issue of the day, and the fact the recall is tantamont to a coup. But both men mistreated their wives.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Plus the fact that Arnold offers no solutions to California's problems

and to be fair, neither does Davis.

Bustamante is the only one to present a practical "Tough Love" plan to solve California's financial woes. He will have to fight the GOP-controlled legislature to get it passed, but at least he will try!

[DieboldMustDie]

33. I believe the Democrats have a majority in the California legislature...

but their constitution requires a ²/₃ vote to pass a budget.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. please tell me you see the difference

There is a difference in the two situations. Bill Clinton never participated in the kind of testosterone induced freak show Arnold discribed.

[dsc]

27. I haven't read the interview

and thus can't honestly comment on its contents. If what I have heard reported is accurate, and given our media that is a big if, there is quite some difference. But presuming it was conscentual I wouldn't use it to disqualify an otherwise acceptable candidate. Though it does creep me out but since my sexual orientation creeps some people out I can't apply that as my standard without being a hypocrite.

[Terwilliger]

14. but his wife must not feel that way

unless she's so victimized she won't leave him...

is that what you're suggesting?

[Clete]

10. Here's something you all might be interested in.

It's why Arnold waited this long to run for governor. Be sure to look at the date.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010501033704/www.nypost.com/entertainment/29345.htm

[Clete]

15. This one has been around recently but for those who

haven't read it.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/showbiz/articles/6270067?source=Daily%20Mail

[Syrinx]

8. Didn't the woman consent to the gang-bang? n/t

[Frances]

11. I think there is a difference between gang-banging

and two individuals having consensual sex.

I simply do not want a man who bragged to a magazine about being part of gang-banging as my governor.

[Syrinx]

16. I agree. But it's not "gang rape" if the woman consented.

[Cheswick2.0]

19. What kind of man takes advantage of a girl who would consent to that scene

Let me make something clear to those of you(including, amazingly some women here)who do not understand the dynamics of this situation. No young woman without major issues would agree or encourage that scenerio. What kind of man takes part in such a thing and what kind of pig then talks about it in a magazine?
How do you know it wasn't rape? Maybe she declined to press charges? But really, what difference does it make?

[Syrinx]

23. What kind of man takes advantage of a girl who would consent to that scene

The same kind of man who consents to that situation.

This is getting crazy. Saying a woman is raped even when she consents to the whole thing.

[okieinpain]

35. I agree, and if folks are going to take issue with the gang

bang. then shouldn't you also take up the issue that gays don't bother him. that gay's have to fight the same type of sterotypes that bodybuilders do. I'm afraid that we might become like the repugs.

[Cheswick2.0]

20. did she? do you have any proof of that?

has anyone talked to her?

[Clete]

24. In 1977 there were a lot of drugs in the area.

Who knows if she is even alive.

[Syrinx]

25. I don't even know her name! AS didn't use her name.

You're just making stuff up. What gives you the right to accuse anyone of rape? Unless you happen to be the woman in question, or witnessed it.

[Clete]

26. Okay this may be important.

If there was a gang bang, there had to be bangers or fellow body-builders, erzatz witnesses whether they partook or didn't, OR..... could this have all been a figment of Arnold's imagination to make himself seem important in that way for that interview?

[Syrinx]

28. it could go either way I think

By the way, I'm against the recall, and if I lived in California I would vote for Bustamante on the second part of the ballot. But you could do worse than AS. He's pretty liberal on the social issues. He's a lot better, I think, than McClintock. I am concerned about potential benefits for the repugs if AS is elected, though.

[Clete]

29. O dearie, dearie McClintock and his ilk have bat wings

and don't come out into the light. But Arnold hasn't been bitten yet, not until he becomes governor, which he won't. He is part of the darkside and you should be concerned about those potential benefits for those creepy GOP'ers no matter who is elected.

[Syrinx]

30. Do you live in Cali?

And who are you for? Bustamante?

[Clete]

31. Yes, I do and I am for our elected governor, Gray Davis.

This man is one of the most reviled in recent history and he really has done nothing except serve his country and his state to the best of his ability. I am working on a post about Davis and I am surprised at the sound byte lies that have been thrown at his feet as I uncover the truth. I also have a personal bit to add about him helping my husband and me out personally.

I will accept Bustamante as a runner up if I must. No Republican with 25% or 35% of the vote is going to be my governor for very long and I know most Californians feel the same way.

[Syrinx]

32. I respect that!

Do you think recall-mania could be a problem? If the Repukes win, would the dems try to recall that governor? And so on...

It's true, isn't it, that the GOP is using extra-legal means to overturn the popular will? California Recall, Florida 2000, Texas Redistricting, black box voting, etc.

[Clete]

34. It's becoming apparent that this is happening.

The batwinged hardcore GOP'ers as a group don't have enough votes, really, so I think they would stoop to other means to get them.