Who is worse, Bush Sr. or Bush Jr. ?

[CoffeePlease1947]

I think Bush Jr. makes Bush Sr. actually look good. Sure, Bush Sr. was a complete idiot like his son, but he was not as bad when it came to foreign relations. Under Bush Sr. 3/4 of the world didn't hate the US.

What do you think and why?

Mike

[ET Awful]

1. You could always make the argument . . .

that Sr. was worse because he fathered Jr., as well as screwing up the country in his own right :).

[izzie]

3. Yes for being the father.

n/t

[izzie]

2. I guess Jr, as he has left a mess every place.

Bad Bad dog. Needs to be put in a run. Father did not seem to make that mess. Father seemed to know his place in the gov. and his son is like the bull in th china shop. Father was more his own man and Jr seems to be run by others. Father is more a gent and I have know people who worked at his place in Maine and they say he is a real gent. Both seem to be very mush for them selfs and full of greed which goes so well with this love of power.To get some place on the back of your name and others seems big in that family even if your not really great in anything.Bush Jr has set the gov back 100 years in social things and only God can yet figure out the rest of the mess he has made in the world.

[oldshoe]

4. Kinda stupid

... argument. "Worse" in what way?

But clearly Pappa Doc Bush is the more cynical. He gets my vote for two classic lines.

The first is calling Reaganomics "voodoo economics" then going on to be VP and President on that ticket.

The second was his classic repsonse to the question:(paraphrasing) "Will you as VP follow Mr. Reagan's economic program?" he replied "Blindly".

I doubt W could ever be that quick or insightful, which makes him a tad less "worse" although it's like choosing between pest and cholera.

[Gore1FL]

5. At least Bush Sr.

MAde stupid decisions because of stupid positions on stupid issues to apease stupid voters.

Dubya does what he is told.

[Paragon]

6. Comparing Iraq policies...

Junior makes Senior look like a fucking hero.

[Vitruvius]

7. Both Bu$hes were as bad as they could be, given their times.

Both Bu$hes did everything they could get away with to make the rich richer, the poor poorer, and ruin this country.

And -- as for Bu$h senior, nobody yet has explained why he was in Dallas the day JFK was shot; at the time, he worked for the CIA.

Before the JFK assassination, things looked hopeful for America. Afterwards, the VRWC had the upper hand -- and has kept it for the past 40 years. And things have gone from bad to worse to foul.

If Bu$h senior had a hand in the JFK assassination, he did more than even his son to ruin this country.

[sam sarrha]

8. Dubya is a wet brain drunk, spoiled rich kid of privilege drug addict

he was and is a total loser. he never had a job he actually did other than rent out the family name and be a party boy. he'd be harmless wino with a deviated septum now if the likes of Tom Hicks and Rummy hadn't got his wife to bitch slap him into the White House. But as puppets go.. he is pretty good, better than i thought he'd be... I am impressed with that.

[Jacobin]

9. Jr. hands down

Sr wasn't stupid. He was a geo-political realist and didn't go to war without a full UN mandate and FOLLOWED the mandate.

He was a whiney little prick and evil in many ways. However, Jr. is a moron and guided like a sock puppet by true evil doing PNACers. He is the worst president in history by far, no one even close

[emad]

10. Sure, Jr makes Pop seem almost acceptable

until you realise what a massive whitewash has gone into sanitising the disgusting career of GHWB.** Dumbo is a mere projection of republican mass ego, specifically planted into DC to rewrite us history and persuade the masses that War Is Good. Same old agenda, same old criminals, same old game of bluff and double bluff.

(** must declare a personal interest here: his tenure of the post of CIA Chief is forever indelibly written into my memory and I look forard to publishing my extremely-well documented and corroborated memoirs of the period 1976-1980, in the very near future.)

[MiltonLeBerle]

11. Bush Sr., of course.

It's HIS team that's still calling the shots, after all. Jr. is just the beard.

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Bush II is Bush I's second coming!

Term II of Bush I, is what the royal puppet is! All the old Reagan/Bush Republican Guard are back in Washington running the show again right? If Poppy INC. wins another term in 04, it's all over for America as a democracy!

[JackRiddler]

13. What kind of question is this?

More relevant would be: Who is president right now, Bush Sr. or Bush Jr.? How would you have ever even *heard* of Junior, if he was not the proxy (and filial pride!) of the same old Bush Mob, dating back to the 1970s, who have returned to power now for the third time? If he hadn't been born into that family, who would he be today? You don't honestly think there's a difference, or that Junior makes any decisions his father's men didn't submit to him in the first place? The only difference is the context of 1988 (1980, to be truthful) as opposed to 2000. It's not like the actor was ever president, either. Mob head Bush Sr has been CEO, and then Chairman of the USA Corp. since 1980.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Which one had enough sense not to go to Baghdad?

I hope that answers your question?

Dom

[Hubert Flottz]

15. Bush one would have gone to Baghdad, but the Russians:::::::::

scared him! Poppy was a natural born wimp! Neither Bush will EVER jump on anyone who can really fight back, it wouldn't be prudent for chickenhawks! The Bushites thought Iraq would be an easy kill! Watch how they pounce on North Korea!(NOT) Bush Wars are for vote grabbing, plundering and PR!

Read the accounts about Poppy Bush's bailout in WWII! The pilots who flew with Poppy weren't impressed by the fact that they never saw any fire or smoke from Bush's plane! The Guys weren't impressed about Bush's two crewmembers who died so Poppy could live!

Does anyone other than George Herbert Bush really know what happened during WWII when his aircraft was shot down?

My father was an enlisted turret gunner in the same type aircraft- the Grumman Avenger (TBF/TBM). It carried a crew of three- the officer pilot, the turret gunner, and the radio operator. The aircraft was an extremely sturdy platform which would take many hits without disabling it. My father has photographs of Avengers making it back to their carriers with their tails practically blown off.

My personal guess is that George Bush panicked when their aircraft was hit, bailing out without telling his crew. It's unlikely that both crew members were killed when the plane was initially hit (being in different sections of the aircraft).

http://www.awolbush.com/ghwb.html

[NNN0LHI]

16. The Russians told Junior the same thing. He did not listen n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

17. The Russians who told Junior Weren't as Skeery as they were..

in the early 90s! As soon as the Russians told Bush I to stop he stopped! Putin don't have the stroke to Dictate policy to Shrub! All Putin has now is oil and rusty bombs! Putin can't even control his own country now!

[NNN0LHI]

19. Rusty bombs? Who are you kidding Hubert

Russia can completly destroy the USA just as fast now as they could then. It would all over in about 30 minutes.

Don

[Hubert Flottz]

21. Bush can see into Putin's soul now!

The Other Russians never were allowed to have souls!

[emad]

23. Not quite. The UN Security Council voted to allow the liberation

of Kuwait, but no further. The Russians played a minor role, mostly to give Yeltsin some much needed appearnce of gravitas.............But bootom line was that the UN Charter specifically forbids use of force merely for regime change and Poppy had to tow the line. That's why Dumbo came up with that dumbass logic "Saddam is a threat to world peace", "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" etc, despite knowing that the UN Sec Council imposed no-fly zone had ensured the emasculation of Saddam's military and weapons programmes and that all UNSCOM inspections since Gulf 1 had failed to find those goods which Tony Blair had said 'could be deployed within 45 minutes'.
IE The plot was writ before Dumbo was elected, it's just the old Shrub/Cheney agenda.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Then why did we go all of the way to Baghdad with our soldiers and stop?

Baghdad is a long way from the Kuwaiti border.

Don

[soleft]

18. It's like that question which is worse, theocracy or -

what's the word when country is run by corporations?

[emad]

22. Shrubland?

??

[terryg11]

20. senior

does anyone really think Jr. gets to make too many important decisions in this white house? I doubt Cheney and Rove let him get too far away before pulling on the leash

[leftofthedial]

24. Junior is the worst "President" in history

Poppy set a mighty low standard, but Junior falls far short of even that.

[kodi]

26. George II is far worse. Poppy actually did something in life

the dad is a lot smarter and at least can point to a successful career, military record and list of personal accomplishments that he did on his own. Poppy understands that the world is not black or white and had the ability to reach across ideology to accomodate and acheive consensus.

not withstanding him being a liar his involvement in iran contra.

the spore* never did anything without help and usually screwed up anyway.

the spore* is a far more dangerous man to us all.