Republicans eating "Freedom crow" on Iraq issue

[niceypoo]

France was right, Bush admits it now as he comes crawling back begging Chiraq for forgiveness. The "Freedom Fries" have grown cold and soggy. The loonies in my political chatroom are avoiding talking about the issue as much as possible (In fact they cannot defend Bush on anything anymore, all they can do is whine about Clinton and try to call people "Unpatriotic".......and deflect any criticism of Bush as "hate"). One part of my brain hopes that the UN tells Bush to fuck off, they told him so and he laughed at them and gave them the finger. The rest of my brain knows that this would cost us even more US lives and prestige(what little we have left). Bushes world is collapsing. Its what happens when you patch lies on top of lies. eventually a big bad wolf comes along and blows your your little house of cards down. All the kings horses and all the kings men..............

[terryg11]

1. France and others should learn Bush something

before coming to his aid though. His admin. did nothing to quell the anti french feelings and it was rather ridiculous.

[spotbird]

4. IMO Shrub & Co. stoked the flames.

Many Americans think that France is the enemy because of them.

[niceypoo]

5. on the contrary

Bush and Co fanned the xenophobic feelings against france banning "French" toast on airforce 1. A president who trys to get americans to hate an ally because they are too damned incompetent to deal weith them in a rational manner. Its unamerican

[terryg11]

11. banned french toast on AF 1?

seriously, I didn't know that. BTW, is french toast really french? I don't recall ever being served that when I visited France.

[Love Bug]

13. I think french toast was invented

by an American chef named French. As usual, the reich wing can't check their facts before spouting off.

[niceypoo]

14. French toast is american

invented by a man w/ the last name "French"
More incompetence at the top

[kentuck]

2. Better a little crow now than a lot of crow six months from now....

One wonders how much of that $60 billion is to pay for the UN support? Money says they will be back in a short time asking for another supplemental "if" the UN accepts their proposal?

[spotbird]

3. It is funny.

There was a general and a wing nut on MSNBC yesterday. The general argued that the mess we are in was entirely foreseeable. Rummy listened to the advice of some guy who had been exiled from Iraq for 40 years to come to the certainty that the Iraqi invasion would be like Kuwaiti invasion. The general said there was plenty of more reliable information that Rummy ignored.

The wing-nut didn’t even try; they have NO talking points on this issue (at least not yet). All the wing-nut could say is that it doesn’t matter how it happened what we need to do now is to look to the future. He didn’t even use the “but he gassed his own people” crapola.

[rwork]

6. His arrogance is deadly.

The utter shame of it all. 285 American lives lost and thousands of innocent Iragi's. People that will never share wonderful times with their children and families. All because of one man's stupidity.

[FauxNewsBlues]

7. I Will Agree with the WingNuts....

If the U.N. kowtows to Bush now, and doesn't extract a heavy price from him, they should be disbanded like the wingnuts are always screaming about.

The U.N. right now has a historical chance to put the U.S. into it's place, and put it back into the fold as just a member of the family of nations, not the Lord and Master of the Universe.

I want a public apology from this administration. I want them to say that they were arrogant to state that they knew better than the U.N. about WMD. They were arrogant to think that they could control Iraq by themselves, and that they realize the errors of their ways and are humbly asking their fellow nations to come in and help bring services, freedom, and democracy to Iraq.

Anything short of this, is a cave in. The world has * by the gonads right now. He simply does not have the warm bodies to control Iraq. He needs the U.N. now more than they need him. He knows it, they know it. It will be risky for the soldiers sent in for other countries. Why besmirch their service to the world's multilateral force, by allowing Bush to save face? Bush needs to grovel, not Powell, but Bush.

Once this is done, I hope the U.N. goes in full gusto with engineers, doctors, food workers, and help set the Iraqi people for a better future.

[never cry wolf]

8. You're right on it...

FauxNewsBlues. And...Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[ronatchig]

10. Even some quiet calls

for the end of the Bush adminstration by impeachment would not be out of line imho. Let us not forget that the countries with the means to help have a strong anti bush electorate to deal with and would no doubt catch a lot of heat at home if they are seen as propping up and and supporting this American Evil Empire.
As for a dream how about the UN demanding weapons inspections in the good old USA.

[niceypoo]

12. Another eloquant DU'er

Welcome

[Quahog]

21. We already know bush* can do this

He did a GREAT job grovelling and apologizing to the Chinese when they shot down one of our aircraft and didn't want to give it (or the crew) back. He said "I'm REALLY sorry" in several dialects, as I recall.

bush* said in the 2000 debates that the US needed a more "humble foreign policy." Well, now looks like a great time to bring on the humility, if not the humiliation.

Great post FNB... and welcome!

:pals:

[Ekaterina]

26. I absolutely

agree. Bush CANNOT be allowed to weasel out of this and hand off the mess he and his murdering band have created to the UN so they can happily go about campaigning on the "theme" that they "won" Iraq and Afghanistan. If we are still stuck in there alone come the 04 election BUSH IS TOAST and Rove knows it. Perhaps THAT is the best payoff for the pain and death he has sown.
As for the ridiculous bullsh*t about freedom toast etc, I think Johnny Depp summed it up perfectly when he said it was great to see people in powerful government positions in the US to show themselves as idiots. Well said (and by the way, Johnny, PLENTY of us were as horrified as you to see the juvenile behaviour on display).

[Zero Gravitas]

9. US Prestige

Bush has already squandered the US standing in the world. Our only leverage is fear and large but shrinking bank account.

Actions have consequences. Why should we be spared from the full consequences of Bush's arrogant actions? The potenial consequences of Bush's mistakes in Iraq are so huge that something has to be done. Unfortunately if the UN comes in and cleans up the situation, Bush just might get away with it. The American public is so informationaly isolated that the full magnitude of Bush's invasion will not become clear to them and Rove will spin it a success thanks to Bush's "decisive leadership".

The UN should leave Bush the bare minimum of assistence to prevent Iraq from imploding and then, after regime change takes place in the US next year, they should come in full force. Bush and the neo-con chickenhawks are much bigger threat to wolrd security than Saddam ever was and bigger even than a destabilised Middle East.

Bush should be left to stew in the consequences of his own arrogant actions as much as possible. The world will be much safer once he leaves office.

[librechik]

15. Don't be silly. They meant to do this all along

They never tried to marginalize the UN. France and Germany have always been our friends. This is all part of the plan, right on schedule. Anybody who says otherwise is just a conspiracy-theory revisionist.

What a triumph before the 04 elections to have the rebellious UN under the beneficent wing of their great leader!
They have always operated under the resolved blessings of the UN. Getting a new resolution has always been in the Exit Strategy.

Right? That's what we'll be hearing from now until Doomsday or Tuesday, whichever comes first and depending on whether the UN accepts.

Get ready conspiracy theorists--we're about to hit the fan.

I'm renewing my membership in the Grassy Knoll Society as of now.

[Starpass]

18. libre---that was already the spin by yesterday afternoon

I predicted here yesterday morning that that is what they would say (gosh, going back to the UN was always our plan) and, bingo, it showed up hours later. Rove must be reading DU!!!--or shall I say, these bastards are getting so tansparent a kindergartener could read them. I hope every Dem candidate and every Dem, period, at every opportunity says "nice try----bulllshit".

[Bandit]

24. "are getting so tansparent a kindergartener could read them."

I take it that is our (DU) mentality here. Or maybe I'm just too sensitive.:shrug:

[Starpass]

16. A friendly word of advice to the UN (or call it fair warning)

Perhaps the UN members should go talk to some Democrats. We smiled, and bowed, and said nice things about Bush and supported "da President" and all that shit. And the slimebag, filth, scum of the pond bastard turns on them and rips their gizzard out at every chance he gets. He literally turns around after beating them into submission on one of his schemes and then BLAMES them for it if it doesn't go well and the public gets mad. UN--THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WILL DO TO YOU!!! I can guarantee them that come summer '04 Bush will tell the American people that he was doing a wonderful transition in Iraq and then in came those useless fuckers the UN who just blew up the place. Since Americans can't remember where they left their kids much less what is chronological table of events, they will believe him. And Bush will campaign on the promise to level the UN to dust and drive these foreign bastards off the soil of NYC. Anybody want to put money on it??????????

[sendero]

20. my money's with your scenario...

... that is *exactly* what they have done over and over, and that is *exactly* why I give no credibility whatsoever to the "Bush is an ok guy" Dem candidates.

Say WHAT? OK guy? What the phuck are you smoking? If he's "OK", what does a lying, cheating, backstabbing asshole look like?

[CatWoman]

17. do you guys remember these?

http://www.mideasttruth.com/cartoonsiraq.html

[samsingh]

19. all Americans who were against questioning

Bush and attacking those who did are to blame for the disaster and the deaths in Iraq. The war started because they were quiet and stupid

[Nottingham]

22. I love it when Bush crawls Back!

He does it so poorly too! :bounce:

[opihimoimoi]

23. Yeah, when he crawls, his ass is much too high in the air.

Oh well.......

[niceypoo]

25. Yet another 180

in a long list of 180s with Bush