The U. S. is a Masonic Nation founded on the principles of Free Masonry!

[Walt Starr]

This is my newest mantra against the Christofascists when they lie about the official religion of the United States, and there's far more evidence to support this statement than their bogus "this is a Christian Nation" lie.

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 50 were known to be Free Masons and only one was known not to be a Mason.

The first inauguration was CLEARLY a Masonic ritual, look at the pictures.

Masonic symbolism is rampant both in our money and upon the buildings our government is housed within.

The foundations of our oldest and most important governmental buildings were laid by Free Masons.

So clearly, the United States is a Masonic Nation founded upon the principles of Free Masonry.

[sam sarrha]

1. Amen

[BlueEyedSon]

2. I'm in, what's a Freemason and what do they believe?

[Walt Starr]

5. JustGoogle "Free Masonry"

All sorts of links to it.

I'm seriously considering seeking out a lodge and joining! It should become a Liberal/Democratic thing to do!

[BlueEyedSon]

7. I can't do it, they are deists (and sexists?)

HOW DO MASONS HELP OTHERS?

The basic premise of Freemasonry is "The Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God." With that thought uppermost in mind, Masons strive to learn how better to serve that "brotherhood of man"-charitably-not just with money (although a recent survey revealed that over two million Masonic dollars are.....

from a faq: http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/Misc/FAQ.html

(1) What are the requirements for becoming a Mason?

Candidates must be male, at least 21 years of age, able to profess a
belief in God, and of good character.

For information on mixed-sex Masonry, see the discussion on Co-Masonry
in II, 7.

snip

(5) Can (fill in the name of the religion) be a Mason?

The only religious requirement is that candidates believe in the
Supreme Being. If you can in good faith profess a belief in the
Supreme Being, you are eligible to be a Mason. No atheists will
ever knowingly be made a Mason.

[LiberalEsto]

13. A bit too patriarchal for my taste

You guys go have fun with freemasonry; I don't see what it can possibly offer to women.

[splat]

16. "the concept of women becoming Masons is an anathema"

To the majority of Freemasons today (dominated by US and Canadian brethren), the concept of women becoming Masons is an anathema. This is not because of some sexist feeling or because they feel women are incapable of understanding and appreciating the lessons of Freemasonry. It is because, simply, in their obligation, they have sworn not to be present at the making of a woman a Mason. This is, as stated by their Grand Lodge, one of the 'Landmarks of Freemasonry' and as such, is unchangeable.

In fact, no "mainstream" Lodge/Grand Lodge of Masons accept women as members or recognize those lodges which do. (See our page on recognition for more information on this thorny topic.)

http://www.masonicinfo.com/women.htm

[kk897]

18. There is a group called the Co-Masons

and they are "co-ed." They say they are founding on the ideals of the French revolution. They're the more mystical side of the Masons, into symbology and iconography and codes and whatnot. Sort of like the DaVinci Code, I guess.

[BlueEyedSon]

25. "Wo-masons?"

[chicagiana]

33. Does it all work out ???

If I can't join "Ladies Only", is it fair that women can't be Masons???

[ldf]

28. the women have their own organization

it is called the "Eastern Star".

[BernieBear]

40. Eastern Order of Co-Masonry is for men and women

There is a long varied history of secret society's. The society's that generated from the French have always accepted and venerated women. In the US that tradition is upheld by the Co-Masons. You can google them. If you live in a big city they'll have a lodge.

Please be aware that Masonry at it's deepest level with be anathematic to Christianity as currently practiced in the US.

BernieBear

[Bluerthanblue]

50. uhhhh,,,,, i'm embarassed to

... admit this but there is a 'female' branch of Freemasonry called the 'Eastern Star' and i was one once- .... i was also a fundie- but i've been freed from that blindness and bondage ...... most 'fundies' are very UN-masonic- simply because they don't denfine God to the 'fundie' approval- i gave up my association with the 'star' because of the 'church' i gave up the 'fundementalist' mentality because i finally opened my eyes and saw the hyprocricy and lying that went on to 'justify' what was (in my view) nothing more than a way to 'control' and 'play God' with the lives of others- while justifying 'our' own mis-deeds as 'tough love' or 'caring'-

i still believe in Christ- and try and follow HIS teachings- as MLK and Gandhi and Mother Teresa lived lives of non-violence, tolerance and love for our fellow men/women.

[chicagiana]

32. This is like ...

... this is kinda like the 12 step thing where the door can be a "higher power".

If Jefferson can be a Mason, then pretty much ANYONE can by simply substituting the clockwork nature of the universe as being the "supreme being".

And that actually fits a little better with the mason "great architect" notion of god.

[MsTryska]

42. Women Join Order of the Eastern Star......

the idea is, that women intuitively already know the 3 degrees of Freemasonry which men have to learn.



at least that's what a mason told me.

[magdalena]

45. Although from my understanding

women just can't freely join Order of the Eastern Star, they need to be related to a Master Mason.

[MsTryska]

46. I think you may be right.

i'm not really sure.
i'll ask my boss tomorrow tho. he's a mason.

[Xipe Totec]

58. Walt, If you are serious, Start Here

What's A Mason?

http://www.trowel.com/flamason/what.htm

Then contact a Lodge. They're in the phone book. (So much for being a secret society).

Googling the Web will get you a lot of hits on conspiracy sites that use Masonry as a whipping boy the way Nazis used Jews. In fact, they get lazy sometimes and just talk about the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy.

[King Coal]

8. Freemasons believe all bricks should be provided by a collective

economy.

[Marnieworld]

3. Can we get any holidays off for this "free masonry" ?

All Masons Day? The Holy week of masonry?

[Skink]

4. Free Mason's have lowered there standards a bit.

They'll take anyone now.

GW :dunce:

[King Coal]

6. Walt, please don't read about the Masonic connections with

the Mormons. Please don't.

[Walt Starr]

10. I know about it

and this mantra truly will piss off the Christofascists because they rail about how Masons are really Satanic!

:evilgrin:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. The Knights of Templar,,..not to be confused with the K of Columbus

Templar SocietyFreemasonry
... despite the society's ablility to maintain and work for principles like brotherhood, charity and freedom, much of the original Templar society became lost. ...
http://heru-ra-ha.tripod.com/topics/freemasonry.html
Templars Occult and Esoteric Spirituality and Religion Society
... Categories. Web Sites. In search of the Grail - Group that discusses esoteric and hermetic ideas with a focus on the Knight Templar. ...
http://odp.webwombat.com.au/WW301399.HTM

The Search for the Secret Society of Knights Templar on the Island ...
The Search for the Knights Templar. This is part of the great castle built by the powerful secret society of the Knights Templar on the island of Rhodes... ...
http://wynkyn.com/knights.htm

[hyphenate]

11. That's what my fundie friend says

She goes on tirades about "secret societies" all the time. The Illuminati is another problem with her.

[Walt Starr]

12. Then she cannot legitimately cliam it's a "Chrsitian Nation"

:evilgrin:

[elehhhhna]

14. Muslims are masons. That'll spook her.

[Walt Starr]

15. The religious requirements of Masonry are very simple

One must believe in a supreme Being. All faiths are welcome.

[elehhhhna]

17. yep and they dont require the deity is male, either. don't ask, don't tell

[RebelYell]

19. Here's a site with very detailed pix of Washington DC's

Masonic ties.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/index.htm

I'm not sure what to think of it.

[Walt Starr]

20. That's a whacko fundie site

And they are the ones I am trying to piss off with the Mantra that this is a Masonic Nation founded upon the principles of Freemasonry!

[RebelYell]

21. Oh goody, can I help? : ) n/t

[Walt Starr]

22. I meant whacko funies in the gneral term

rather than those guys specifically

:evilgrin:

Just doing my part to piss off the religious right!

[Blue Wally]

24. There is some speculation..........

that the English army "laid down" on the job of defeating the colonists in 1774-1783. Masonic activitiy was endemic in the English officer class with most regiments supporting a lodge. The "conspiracy theory" is that the Englsih army "threw" the war because they wanted to see a new nation founded on masonic principles.

[Johonny]

27. Nope

Yesterday I heard it was lizard aliens. Perhaps the aliens where freemasons? I don't know. I do know that history is more fun when you make it up.

[Walt Starr]

29. Yeah

:eyes:

:P

[PassingFair]

23. They never suckered Tom Jefferson!

n/t

[crispini]

26. This sounds like fun.

Keep us posted.

[chicagiana]

30. Moreso than by Christianity ...

History channel will have a show on the influence of the Masons on George Washington.

[Stephanie]

31. Fundies confuse Founding Fathers with the Pilgrims

Bush too. He doesn't know the difference.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

48. i am a fundy and i agree with you

pilgrims left to escape religious persecution...but the country was founded primarily deists.

theProdigal

[Bluerthanblue]

54. but the original

Pilgrims practiced thier own religious persecution-

against the Quakers, and anyone who didn't follow the "Pilgrim" religion- it's interesting to learn more about what they 'believed' and how they banished and abused others simply for not 'believing' as they did- if that's religous 'freedom' then what is opression???

It's interesting to study them- Gov. Winthrop of Mass- banished Roger..Williams? or was it Clark? who went on to found Providence RI where Quakers were free to worship as were Catholics- and he also believed that the Native Americans were NOT 'less than human' and that they should be treated with respect, and any transactions that were made with them should be honored-

Thank GOD the nation wasn't founded by the "puritians"- and that alot was learned between 1620 and 1776-

Taxation without representation- and freedom from being 'ruled' by a King a contenent away were the straws that broke the revolutianaries back- not 'religion'-

[ProdigalJunkMail]

55. i'm not saying the pilgrims got it right...

that is why they claim to have left. I agree completely that they then began their own little flavor of religious persecution once they got here! But it sure felt 'free' to them...

Yeah...and people have a tendency to forget that 150 year span between landing on this continent and the founding of the country that we call the United States of America...

theProdigal

[Xipe Totec]

34. Fiat Lux, Walt n/t

[wordout]

35. and the GAOTU is...?

your first post is spot on. but in exposing freemasonry you bring to light truths many would prefer remain hidden

go for it.

[Xipe Totec]

37. What Truths Would Those Be?

Exposing freemasonry? What pray tell, is there to expose?

GAOTU means Grand Architect Of The Universe. It is a reference to God. No great mystery there.

[wordout]

41. uh-uh, cant tell you that.

you mite accidently fuck up an tell somebody , an we know what happens THEN by gawd!

[Xipe Totec]

52. Actually, I do know what happens...

You get expelled. That's it. No more, no less.

[wordout]

56. that only applies to lower peons

pray tell us what happen to the good capt'n?

[Xipe Totec]

57. Oh, well, that's different. The captain,

Gets expelled. That's it. No more, no less.

[The Night Owl]

36. TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS

[Bridget Burke]

38. This can be confusing to some.

I'd recommend a quick read of The Illuminatus Trilogy, then on to more esoteric works.

Or spend some time here: www.rawilson.com/

[SheepyMcSheepster]

53. FNORD!

Promethius Rising was my first RAW encounter.

I wonder how he is doing healthwise these days.

[magdalena]

63. mm golden apple

Hail Eris!

[Johonny]

39. I heard

The freemasons build the pyramids.

[wordout]

43. huh.

i thought Nimrod built the pyramids?

[Johonny]

47. well

Nimrod is just a front. Next you'll be telling me the Freemasons didn't dig the grand canyon.

[Xipe Totec]

62. Nope, Pyramids were built by slaves

who, by definition, can't be free masons.

[MsTryska]

44. Wasn't the one founding father who

wasn't a freemason, Ben Franklin? And he was a rosicrucian, if i recall.

[Xipe Totec]

59. No, Franklin was a Mason, and an Influential one

A review of the role of the mason's in American History reveals the influential role of the Free and Associated Masons in our history.

The research quickly demonstrates the importance of the lodges from the time of the revolution. The Committees of Public Safety and Correspondence were critical in the organization of the American Revolution.

These committees carried out their activities in Masonic code.
Samuel Adams's lodge was the home base of the "Indians" of the Boston Tea Party. Ben Franklin, along with Otis of Connecticut, was the "Founding Father" of the American Blue Lodges

http://www.falmouth.packet.archives.dial.pipex.com/id74.htm

[DS1]

49. Ok, show me some pictures

[Xipe Totec]

60. Here you go

George Washington


Washington Laying the Masonic Cornerstone of the Capitol


Benjamin Franklin


General Lafayette


http://www.gwmemorial.org/Collections/Windows/windows.htm

[mmonk]

51. Go see National Treasure (movie)

[Digit]

61. Strange googling: freemasonry gets into illuminati

I tried to gather something to show the Masonic Temple in Alexandria, Va. I find weird sites talking about the illuminati http://www.savethemales.ca/141002.html
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt4.shtml and other strange stuff.
Since it is almost time for me to get to sleep, I cannot go deep into this at this time.
If you go googling, try to see if they show the interior of that temple. It is awesome.