Jerry Falwell On HardBall - Says Choosiing Your Sexuality Is Like

[Jon8503]

Food, you can acquire an appetite for it.

This is no lie, he told Chris, that it is a choice, just like food, you can develope an appetite for it.

Chris asked him when he made his choice, said he started dating around 15.

Guess you just wake up one morning and say I think I will be hetro or no maybe gay would be better. I know, I am going to be bi and have double the fun.

Can you believe the guy.

[Ducks In A Row]

1. why the hell is falwell all over the whore media?

oh who cares. It's the whore media and Falwell is comfortable around whores being one himself.

[htuttle]

2. Didn't Jerry Falwell lose his virginity to his mother?

[Contrary1]

4. I always thought it was his father...

[Must_B_Free]

9. No, but he wasn't delivered vaginally

it was an anal delivery; he was an asshole baby.

[Andromeda]

33. ROFLMAO!!!

Just the visual of that makes me want to :puke:

[indigonation]

18. in an outhouse?

Where is good ol Larry Flynt when you need him? I heard he was thinking about moving to the UK after the electile disfunction.

[flordehinojos]

20. a thought just now occurred to me as i was reading the "jerry falwell

talks about his first time" ...
The thought is that Jerry Falwell and St. Agustine may have a lot in common.

St. Augustine was a repeated "sinner" before he converted to Catholicism.

His mother, St. Monica, would pray for her son's conversion very fervently.

Once St. Augustine renounced his life of sin, converted and became a Bishop (I think he was the Bishop of Hippo) in the early days of the Catholic Church .... his entire teachings of Christ were based on his own need to expiate (purge) his own past sinful life. His teachings, it is my opinion, derailed the entire message of Christ from the Catholic Church and I believe that today the Church follows the teachings of Christ according to St. Augustine more sothan it does the very teachings of Christ in their pure form.

It seems that Jerry Falwell may base his teachings and understanding of Christ base on his own need, like that of St. Augustine's, to expiate (purge) his very own sins... i wonder just what room he might be leaving for his entire christian following to expiate (purge) sins of their own making.

[Bake]

26. Falwell's name should not be uttered in the same sentence as Augustine's

As I've said before, Falwell needs to "meet Jesus." Personally. Face to face. Soon. You know what I mean.

Burn in hell, Jerry.

Bake

[lawladyprof]

28. You know that old aphorism--No saint like a reformed sinner-eom

[flordehinojos]

34. how true!!!!!!!

[Mojambo]

3. Where exactly does one get THAT menu? n/t

[lapfog_1]

5. Was watching...

and noticed that he said "homosexuality is like any perversion, like
over eating, it's a choice"... this from a guy that must weigh 260
or more and has a triple chin. I guess he chose his perversion.

Also, when Chris was pressing him on "making the decision to date
girls"... Jerry kinda acted surprised, couldn't remember "making
a choice". Right after stating that this IS A CHOICE! The irony
is lost on most of America.

[stepnw1f]

6. He Should Just Chose to Come Out of His Closet (nt)

[movonne]

7. Did he choose twinkies?

[Goldeneye]

8. He seems to know a lot about being homosexual.

What makes him an expert? Was he once gay, and chose to become straight?
If its something people choose (which I strongly believe it is not) wouldn't that make it a personal decision anyway, and something that government, in an effort to reduce its role in citizens lives, would leave alone?

[Sara Beverley]

11. He's still fighting his personal battle with his sexuality.

That's how I see it. People who are obsessed with homosexuality as many RW funddies seem to be have their own personal battles. It's just like the "penis envy" of RW media over Clinton's sex life. They were obsessed and still are. Such obsession has it's roots in the base nature of individuals.

[Hieronymus]

10. Cons are totally dishonest ..

with themselves and others about so many things. No one, I hope, has to give a lot of thought as to who they are attracted to. Fallwell probably hasn't been laid in years, by either sex. And then there is Ken Mehlman, who won't answer when asked if he's gay, and his assistant, Gurly, who solicits group bareback (unprotected) sex on GAY.COM.
Some nutcase called in to Washington Journal yesterday when the guest was a Canadian reporter. The ignorant caller said that only Bulgaria had supported Kyoto. The reporter put him down in such a wonderful manner. This is the kind of stuff the cons are being fed regularly by their right wingnut "news people".:eyes:

[Jon8503]

13. Yeah, I know that you have all noticed how the republican party

is so obsessed about sex. Look how many people dropped when they got all excited about Monica. Look how many are actually gays and try to hide it. Look how many are so very religious but not really only on the surface.

I honestly believe the true christians are the dems, liberals and gays. That is the party that values human life, choice and detests war, is not full of hate, but will fight for theirs and others rights.

[depakid]

12. My question:

just why is a confirmed bigot who has a history of saying incredibly stupid, hateful and even seditious things even allowed on television?

I would pose the same question re: Ann Coulter.

One more reason NEVER to watch CNN. Period.

[Jon8503]

17. I think we should write the network that would not air the church ad

that was considered controversial because they mentioned the fact of other religions and organizations not accepting gays. Don't remember the network. What the hell was Falwell doing?

[Ready4Change]

14. So Falwell is capable of becoming gay?

He needs to prove what he is claiming.

Put up or shut up, Jerry. Start living a gay lifestyle and prove this is a matter of choice, once and for all.

[karlrschneider]

21. Ding, Ding! That's the proper approach: ask him (them) that question:

"Could YOU make the 'choice' to be homosexual for any reason or any rationale?"

(or, alternatively, pull out a million dollars in cold hard cash and ask, "this is yours if you'll suck my dick...")

I wonder how many fundies would turn it down. :eyes:


The old joke about "we're just quibbling over the price...

[DS1]

15. What if you're diabetic?

:shrug:

[Djinn]

16. He's right

when I was in my early teens I sat down and made a list of pro's and con's of being hetero/homosexual.

Gay Pro's

Not having to keep putting a toilet seat down
Not having to clean up after a bloke for the rest of my life
Not worrying about birth control

Straight Pro's

Being able to marry
Being able to inherit my partners estate regardless of a will
Being able to gain custody of any kiddies
Not being fired for who I slept with
Not being ostracized, teased and bullied at school
Not being spat at in the street for holding hands with my partner
Not being beaten to death by rednecks

You can see why I "chose" to be straight

[Nordic]

19. that settles it for me. Falwell's bisexual.

case closed.

As a raging male heterosexual, there's no way in hell I ever could have "chosen" my sexuality. Ever. I mean we're talking early memories here.

[Rockerdem]

22. Possibly

Maybe all of us are capable of being attracted to anyone. The scientific position (and therefore, the liberal one) is inconclusive at this point. They've searched for the "gay" or "hetero" gene or collections of them, and it hasn't been found yet.

There is some data that people are flexible. The obvious one is in the prisons where things are turned on and off. The other one is in the changing preferences in traditional beauty over the years.

I think that a lot of what we call "attractiveness" is learned early in life. But I have an open mind. One thing: if Falwell is right in his W-A guess about the science, he is dead wrong about being judgmental about the practice of love. Just because something is learned and not embedded in one's genes doesn't mean that you should be hated for it. A lunatic.

[OutsourceBush]

23. I think Falwell should stop having sex with Rev Moon

[ignatius 2]

24. I am so sure that gay people would choose a lifestyle that brings them

contempt.scorn and pure hate from a large segment of the country. These religious fundies are odd,ignorant, and downright dangerous.

[private_ryan]

25. can he acquire an appetite for men

let's say... big black men?

[readmoreoften]

27. I hired a consultant

We sat in his office. I twiddled my thumbs and stared at the potted palm trees. He had me fill out a questionnaire and gave me a list of options. After a short discussion, I decided on 'femme dyke.' It's worked well for me. Really well.

[Squeegee]

29. Jerry knows all about making those choices

... since he obviously has no sexual identity.

[Hobo]

30. Excuse Me that's

Radical cleric Jerry Falwell please edit your title


Hobo

[JaneQPublic]

31. Falwell's False Premise: How many of you "developed a taste" for a food...

...that you've long had an aversion for?

Me, I've always hated anchovies on my pizza and no amount of fundy reprogramming is going to make me "develop a taste" for those slimy little fish over my favorite topping: pepperoni.

And parsnips. I've always hated the taste of parsnips, and nothing will ever make them be a delicious treat to me.

Likewise, the notion of suddenly developing a new taste in sexual preference is equally flawed.

But then, fundies aren't known for their gift of rational reasoning.

[spanone]

32. He's a fart in a hurricane. If he's a man of God I'm an atheist.

[Duncan Grant]

35. Who was it that compare gay sex to alcoholism?

Same argument: acquire a taste for it...blah, blah, blah.

I have a pretty good idea what that sonuvabitch is hungry for...no wonder he clings so desperately to his piety. If he lost control of that tightly clinch ass of his for just one minute he might be just as "fallen" as the rest of us. What a narcissistic-messianic-ignoramus! Blow me, Jerry.

[Siyahamba]

36. Hmm, I think I'll choose the cereal for breakfast...

and I think I'll choose a sexuality that will cause me to be hated and discriminated against daily.

[lawladyprof]

37. Seriously though I listened to that segment and

I saw the problem. He kept conflating status with action and because the interviewer didn't know or make the distinction the questions were not properly framed. You don't chose who you will feel attracted to. You may loathe brussel sprouts and while you may eat them (to please mom who made a nice casserole with brussel sprouts) you will never like them the way you do green beans. If you are all the way on the gay end of the scale, sex with an opposite sex person will be revolting to you (kind of me and runny eggs--not to trivialize but I think they are disgusting), the same as Falwell thinks about sex with another male.

Now the question becomes if a person is so unattracted to opposite sex partners as to find that the idea of intimacy with them is disgusting, then does society have right to demand that that person be celibate? Here, celibacy is not chosen by the person but imposed by society. Then, the issue of gay marriage or civil unions becomes, "We won't impose celibacy on you but we will set conditions that impede your ability to establish a long-term monogamous relationship." In essence, encouraging promiscuity.

Forcing truly gay people into a heterosexual marriage ("That's a great casserole, Mom") seems to me to a recipe for misery, tragedy, and deception of self and others. And one of its victims is the non-gay spouse.

One additional thought--sexual orientation seems to me to be on a continuum and I wonder if these "cured" former gays (you know the "treatment" conservatives/the religious right touts are really bi-sexuals, and especially bi-sexuals who tended toward heterosexuality anyway.