Male vs Female - always what it boils down to.

[Ripley]

Value.
Power.
War.

It's always about what men can control. I'm tired of pretending we are given equal rights. I'm tired of things being fucked up because your y chroms are destroying everything.

Want to hear a female say "I hate Men!" hear it here loud and clear! Women never started these fucking wars, women never started the greed wars, women never controlled anything politically in America where hopelessness and despair is the given default of the down trodden. Women NEVER had the power whether you want to call them Soccer Moms or Security Moms in the USA. Men make the decisions in overwhelming numbers.

Fuck you men. I hope you all get drafted.

Now I'll go see if my male partner wants to rub my back or not.

pfft.

[Brucey]

1. I'm a man,

and I agree totally. Except for one small detail: Women are assholes too. Margaret Thatcher, Elizabeth Dole, Tammy Faye, Britney Spears..... shall I go on? There are nearly as many women who support the invasion and occupation and murdering of civilians as there are men. However, you are right that men are fucking assholes. (Generally.)

[Sandpiper]

2. Women need to flex their muscle as a voting block

There are more of you than there are of us. If you ever did get truly united behind female candidates, you could shake the foundations of the male political power structure in this country.

[Kipepeo]

14. But women are some of patriarchy's best supporters

Just look at Ann Coulter. gross. Internalized sexism is very rampant. A lot of women impose sexism on their own daughters. How can they not? It's part of our culture.

I can't get over women who vote against women's interests but there are many.

[jpgray]

17. But they get power as a result

And if it were reversed and women were the dominating gender, men would debase themselves in similar ways for a share of that power in a nanosecond.

[Kipepeo]

19. Not all of them get power

but many do. It's true. Women like Coulter and Rice and Malkin are embraced and pushed forward because they represent an anti-woman ideology in a woman's body.

But the everyday women who embrace anti-women politics...what do they get? They fit into their community better perhaps, but I really can't understand what they get out of it in the long term.

[jpgray]

33. That's true--only the leaders get the power

The followers get to feel a false sense of sharing that power. But isn't that the way it goes most of the time anyway.

:(

[Warpy]

3. patriarchy sucks

but history has more than one example of warlike women, scheming women, truly rotten women. Even now, women are out there in fundy churches, supporting Bush's attempt to bring disaster so they can git Raptured and to hell with the rest of us. Shoot, consider such monsters as Phyllis Schlafly and Midge Decter, and the possibly female Ann Coulter.

I refuse to blame the state of the world wholly on one sex, but patriarchy certainly hasn't helped anything.

We never seem to have any power until one of our kids does something really stupid and ends up in jail or hooked on drugs and then we get the blame. Who knew we had such amazing influence?

[slutticus]

4. Cock vs Pussy

tonight on celebrity death-match.....

Bring your flamethrowers.........

[RetroLounge]

40. Pay per view?

cool...

RL

[jpgray]

5. Women have started wars, killed innocents, pursued greed

We're all pretty much the same when it comes for power lust. Since our society is a patriarchal one, it's true that in the US we men have had the lion's share of such obscene things. The more women get control, the more you will see instances of the same things coming from your own gender.

Incidentally, A male who posted something of this stripe about women would be hounded off the board, but my guess is you will still be here tomorrow.

:hi:

[Ripley]

6. What a load of bullshit.

There are sexist remarks made on DU daily. Check the lounge.

Why is it sexist to make a statement about the violence and war in our lives that is driven by MALES IN POWER? Oh, give me the weak excuse of one female in Britain who loved Ronnie Raygun.

If you can't see that males control business and politics and war, then you must have a Mommy complex.

[DS1]

8. Guess ya didn't get that backrub then

:shrug:

[Ripley]

10. I get everything I need.

Except sanity in this fucking country and board. A place where reality is not observed.

[DS1]

12. I reject your reality and substitute my own

Now if you'll excuse me, my Psychic Friend Hotline beckons

[alittlelark]

16. This 'soccer mom' fully understands

as do many of her friends.... and we are getting PISSED.... I guess our gender got 'all uppity' during the 70's. We forgot what monotheistic religions told us to be..........Silly us.

[DS1]

21. If you want the 70s

I suggest you finish your line of coke and get back up on the stripper pole. :-)

[alittlelark]

32. uh, yeah..................................................................

A serious discussion would be cool, but not expected on the M/F level here.

[slutticus]

48. Would your "male partner" happen to be of the blow-up variety?

And if he is real, does he like your post? I would love to hear his thoughts on the matter...

[alittlelark]

62. Fascinating... the way DU males BOND on these threads...

But then we 'have cooties'......../run screeching for the shadows....

You guys just don't 'get it'. I am sad.

[slutticus]

65. I do "get it"

The OP posted this flamebait garbage in a fit of rage.


Just playin' along.

[alittlelark]

66. "fits of rage" - the only way 'we' are able to post w/o massive insults

Guess what, organized reigion has sold you on our powerlessness. You believe that which you BELIEVED.

Break out of the 20th-6th centuries.

[slutticus]

70. Organized religion?!?!?!?! ROTF

Do you know what the symbol in my sig line is? I can more than assure you organized religion hasn't sold me shit.


And no...posting an important topic in a fit of rage is never a good idea. Like other replies have stated, how the hell do expect to get a decent conversation with a "fuck you" post? (not you...the OP)

[alittlelark]

73. But what did you learn in your childhood?

[alittlelark]

75. SERIOUSLY - what did you learn in your childhood?

[slutticus]

77. Do you want me to say that you're powerless?

Is that want you want?

So you're in to that kinky stuff?


Hmmm...I know some people you need to meet.

[slutticus]

76. Well....I learned how to make out in the safety of the alter-boy closet...

Never got caught either :evilgrin:

[slutticus]

9. Since we are being sexist..

...what if women were in power...and a war was started...and one made a comment like "It must have been that time of the month"?

Blame war on males?....fine. But only if I can blame this post on PMS.

[Ripley]

13. What if little green men controlled your car?

Good excuse for you to bring in a physical problem of women. :eyes:

[slutticus]

15. Hey...i'm just keeping up with the sexist tone of your post.

If you can't take the heat...

[Ripley]

18. Yeah, it's SEXIST when it 's REALITY?

You obviously can't take the real history lesson. Remember there has never been an American President or majority of Congress (those who make laws) in the US of A who were FEMALE. snoozy.

[slutticus]

22. What reality.... war or PMS?

And you obviously hate men, but do you REALLY believe there would be no war if women were in power? I mean... seriously?

[Ripley]

24. Ahh are yous wittle feelings hurt?

Mommy is not here to make it better.

Yeah, let's play Opposite World in your wittle game...women are in control. Hey! They act just like men..

I guess you were right.

[slutticus]

26. My mother died when I was 5.

And no, My feelings are quite intact.

I've been wronged by women in my life...but that didn't lead to an intense hatred of them. Get a therapist. Please. Obviously something bad happened to hurt YOUR feelings sometime in your life.

[jpgray]

20. Sorry if I offended you

But my problem with this is that you make lust for power an exclusive trait of males when to my mind it isn't. That's sexist. I freely admit that we have a shamefully patriarchal society in this country, but simply because men control our society and are therefore largely to blame for what evil our society does, it doesn't follow that the lust for power that causes it is exclusive to males. Women in positions of power have just as checkered a history.

[Ripley]

28. Again Bullshit.

Name a war a woman started. Name a war a woman "won." Name a woman that led a country in war or peace. Name a woman that controlled the economies or cultures of continents?

What is this shit that you guys can't acknowledge MEN have done the damage. Anne Coulter is an asshole, but she doesn't have a show like Rush for 15 years. No one knows her name outside political junkies. What power does she have?

grasping is weak.

[jpgray]

31. Do you want me to mail you a World History textbook? (nt)

[Ripley]

34. lol, too costly.

I guess you're trying to tell me I'm ignorant and that women really have ruled the world up until 12/4/04. Especially here in america where I was referring to.

[jpgray]

36. No, I just disagree that only men will do these bad things with power

Nowhere have I disputed that we live in a patriarchal society, and therefore that the lion's share of the evil our country has done was caused by men. I don't know why you keep accusing me of this.

[Ripley]

37. Hahahaha! As always it comes out...I accused YOU!

Where did I keep accusing you of anything? Other than being a member of the sex that starts and maintains wars, death and destruction on this planet?

Don't take it personally. I thought I could expect more of my DU readers, but I guess not. Funny how when their were Kobe threads about bitchy slutty women goldiggers none of you guys jumped in to defend "females."

[jpgray]

50. Well, you did ask:

"You're trying to tell me I'm ignorant and that women really have ruled the world up until 12/4/04"

"What is this shit that you guys can't acknowledge MEN have done the damage."

"If you can't see that males control business and politics and war, then you must have a Mommy complex."

"I thought I could expect more of my DU readers, but I guess not. Funny how when their were Kobe threads about bitchy slutty women goldiggers none of you guys jumped in to defend "females.""

[Ripley]

53. Wow you can cut and paste.

Nice.

[opiate69]

74. "Name a woman that led a country in war or peace."

Cleopatra, Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Mary I (aka Bloody Mary), Catherine I, Anna Ivanovna, Anna Leopoldovna, and Elizabeth I (Petrovna).

[ironflange]

7. Men and women, women and men. . .

It will never work.

[RetroLounge]

44. Never has, never will...

RL

[MrScorpio]

11. Where's the love, People?

Somebody needs a hug

:grouphug:

[Saffy]

25. A crisis of perception

There are fewer differences within males and females on an individual level than between them on a socio-cultural level. This suggests a crisis of social perception. Of course, social perception can be just as oppressive, or even more so, than the individual construct.

So, in this ongoing plight to reconcile inequality between and within genders, perhaps we could begin by considering each other as the "other sex' and not the "opposite sex".... (Certain tribal communities acknowldge more genders than just male amd female.)

It just seems to me that, like it or not, for good or for bad, we're more or less stuck with each other. So, what's the motivation for always demonizing the other?

[MrScorpio]

29. To blame one side and exclude the other in the sins of humanity

is ridiculous.

We're all, regardless of gender, in this shit boat together.

Both the captains and the crew

[belladonna]

38. He just wants to grope me, doesn't he?

I mean, he's a man, isn't he? Must mean he's a sexist pig and just like every other man on the face of the planet... right??? :P

[MrScorpio]

41. I'm not a sexist, Love... I'm just sexy

Now show me some love.

[RetroLounge]

43. Ooooh, can I watch?

RL

[MrScorpio]

47. My love has no shame

Sure. You bring the popcorn

[belladonna]

45. Well hell, since you put it that way

Would you like a backrub? :P

[MrScorpio]

49. As long as it's mutual

I'll ask Teddy Pendergast for the hot oil

[belladonna]

54. Sure thing, babe

I love hot... er, oil :D

Will Teddy be joining us?

[MrScorpio]

56. He comes with the hot oil

I know that that makes you happy

[Ripley]

57. Thanks for hijacking my thread.

assholes. enjoy them.

[slutticus]

60. LOL. Feelings hurt much?

[MrScorpio]

61. Just showing a little love

This thread really needs some

[slutticus]

52. Who doesn't?

:shrug:

[MrScorpio]

55. Why should I hide the fact that I love physical contact with women?

Some make it plain taht they want it with me.

Besides, if we're too busy groping each other, we'll be too busy to drop bombs on each other.

[Threedifferentones]

23. Are men behind most of our world's problems?

Yes. Would we be better off if women controlled things? Maybe, and I wouldn't be oppossed to finding out, but I doubt it.


3DO

[mike_c]

27. I think you meant our Y chromosomes....

But that's ok-- the who-gives-a-fuck locus is on the Y chromosome, so I'm blissfully unaffected by your rant. Hey, isn't there a game on, or some something? Wanna grab me a beer while you're up? WHOA, who cut the cheese?!

[Ripley]

30. And to think I liked you because you quoted S Gould.

Sigh.

[mike_c]

42. ahhh, there's no accounting for taste....

Of course you liked me-- how could you not? The center-of-one's-own-universe gene is on that same Y chromosome! And don't even get me started about the admiration-for-one's-own-penis gene! I could go on all night, and probably get this thread locked, too!

on edit: OK, enough humor-- I'll return you now to your serious thread topic. :)

[Ripley]

46. You, you, you

evolution-defender you.

Who really is the center of the universe?

[Wonk]

35. Here's a poll for you to participate in. Be honest, now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2787410

[Forkboy]

39. Flamebait

Do not post racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnic, anti-religious, or anti-atheist bigotry. Unambiguous expressions of bigotry will be deleted, and will often result in the immediate banning of the individual responsible.

Too bad to see this worded in such a way as the topic deserves RATIONAL discussion.

[Ripley]

51. So rationally discuss instead of alerting dude.

What's your beef? I mentioned the truth. Men cause war.

[Forkboy]

59. Already alerted

this thread will serve no purpose.If you wanted rational you should have started that way :shrug:

And for what it's worth I agree,men do cause war.

[prolesunited]

58. How do you think anyone is going to engage

in a rational discussion of this topic when you post your ideas in such an inflammatory and insulting manner?

I don't appreciate these types of posts from men and it upsets me that fellow female would post such flamebait.

Did you want a discussion? Did you want anyone to listen to your ideas? If so, fuck you isn't a very good place to start.

[Ripley]

63. Yeah I guess your're right.

But I'm sick of feeling pissed off about things in the world and it's always men that are to blame for it.

Sorry.

Why do I have to read attacks on females daily here and it's "a joke" or "a freeper female" "a stepford wife" "a bitch" "mAnne coulter" DAILY?

Yet, you complain about my one post?

Besides, the "I hate men" shit is obviously not true in the personal sense.

[prolesunited]

64. I complain about posts that men here make all of the time

and speak up constantly when it comes to women's rights and issues. In fact, I've posted some threads that have lead to some interesting conversations.

If a man did this, I would call him on it. I'm not going to pretend it's OK just cause you're a woman.

This is a very hard and frustrating time and it's easy to lash out. Men, most of them here anyway, aren't the enemy. I know there are some here that still don't "get it." But, threads like this certainly aren't going to help.

[regnaD kciN]

67. Actually, I'm finding this a refreshing change...

...from all the atheist vs. Christian bash-fest threads in progress here.

I mean, I'm still considered the essence of all that is evil, but at least it's for a different reason this time...

;-)

[Buck Rabbit]

68. Riddle me this:

What do the first and only female Prime Ministers of England, India and Israel all have in common, besides being female?

[K-W]

78. Obviously being women they created utopias.

[noiretextatique]

81. how many male counterparts do they have?

3:300,000 yep...that's equality :eyes:

[genieroze]

69. call them Soccer Moms or Security Moms in the USA.

I call them Sucker Moms or inSecurity Morons in the USA. They had the power to vote but they were to busy gassing up their SUV's and drinking lattees with junior and his little soccer buddies safety belted in the back. The ones that did vote and voted for Bush are retarded and should make use of Bush's mental health screening. I guess they like being chattel, just as long as homosexuals can't marry. Bushie will keep their fragility safe. I don't blame men for this mess we are in, I blame certain evil people who happen to be male including Ann Coulter.

[K-W]

71. And having 2 X chromosones makes you into a demi-god?

I'll pass on the moronic scapegoating if you dont mind.

[noiretextatique]

72. ouch

i can't say i want anyone to get drafted.
our culture thrives on denial of the obvious. the really dangerous pc mantra is that everything is all equal, when we all know it really is not. it is a really strange dance we do when certain people are running 80% of everything instead of 100% of everything, per the tradition...yet we declare everything is equal. that some certain people are opposed to the status quo, and that some other certain people are not doesn't change the reality.

[Name removed]

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[jpgray]

80. Dude. It's clearly heterosexuals that are fucking everything up

The world is DOMINATED by the mother (and father) fuckers. Black and white, male and female. And don't try and bring up famously gay leaders who did bad things man, that's only a distraction. People are all equal which is why this group of people is different and evil for subjugating me!

[Moderator]

82. Locking

This thread has ceased being topical.