I saw a Thyssen-Krupp Elevator truck in Seattle. Did Germany win WWII?

[barbaraann]

For anyone who doesn't know, Fritz Thyssen helped finance Hitler and had ties to Prescott Bush's bank.

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

Krupp became the center of German rearmament after Hitler came to power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/krupp.htm (tin foil required for this site)

In 1999 Krupp and Thyssen merged.

Having lived in Germany for several years, I was startled to see this truck and it immediately made me feel like the Nazis were taking over. That was a gut overreaction of course, but when the Germans do something they do it 1000% and if they have decided to move into the US economically, it will be serious business.

[Blue_Tires]

1. there are a LOT of companies

that secretly or openly supported the Nazis during the war (and we still do business with them today)....

Mitsubishi made Japanese fighter planes

Henry Ford donated rubber, tires and parts to Germany (even when there was a dangerously low supply here)

IBM made adding machines for the Nazis to calculated and track the number of Jews

Countless Swiss and American banks hid looted Nazi fortunes and turned a blind eye...

the list goes on

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. Junkers make water boilers. See them in quite a few homes in Brazil

They're the makers of the infamous Stuka divebomber used in the bombing of Guernica by the Nazis:



Edit: quite a few Thyssen-Krupp elevators too.

[Kellanved]

11. That's actually not the same company

The Boiler company was founded by the same guy, but sold to Bosch during the Weimar Republic.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. Excellent bit of information!

:yourock:

[Kellanved]

15. Junkers was a "good guy"

He was one of the first industrialists dispossessed by the Nazis - in 1933.

The plane company continued in the GDR after the war, but was sacked when the hopes to build a jet-airliner were squashed in a tragic crash (Russian sabotage is suspected to be the reason...)
The 152:



On Edit: The West German Junkers assets are today part of EADS AKA Airbus (via Messerschmidt and Daimler Aerospace).

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Weird.

Why would the Russians sabotage an EASTERN German plane?

[SmokingJacket]

2. Yeah, and all those Krupp coffee makers too.

I'm surprised they kept their names postNazi.

[jshafted]

20. Those Coffee Makers

Are made by KRUPS, not KRUPP, they are a different company formed after WWII

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

3. "The Arms of Krupp"

by william manchester. excellent read.

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[Carl Brennan]

18. I second that. nt

[elsur]

4. Don't freak out ...

but German companies implicit in the Holocaust are everywhere and have been for quite some time.

Thyssen
Krupp (steel/arms)
Flick (coal)
Farber(pharmaceutical/chemical)- ran a synthetic rubber plant with slave labor in Auschwitz
Siemens - slave labor/installed crematorium at Auschwitz
Daimler
Bayer

Ford and GM also had subsidiaries which continued to operate in Nazi Germany.

Most of the connection with big business and Nazi Germany was the use of supplied and/or slave labor. In many cases, factories were erected in the vicinity of concentration camps and supervision of the labor was carried out by the S.S.

[jmowreader]

10. Why do you have Bayer and Farben (you said Farber) on different lines?

IG Farben consisted of six companies, and one of them was Bayer.

The constituents of IG Farben:

BASF
Bayer
Hoechst
Agfa
Weiler-ter-Meer
Griesheim-Elektron

Most if not all of these companies began life as dyeworks.

Trace back the history of IG Farben and you will understand the Nazis.

[elsur]

19. my mistake .. typing in a hurry and not thinking NT

[LeftHander]

5. At the End of Wars....

The first thing is victor nations need to rebuild the losers.

And to do that you need to have the industry that created fueled the war effort to start creating jobs and products to help the citizens get back on thier feet. They need to redirect the talent to produces goods and services not war machines.

Just off the top of my head...

Volkswagen - tanks, "things"
Daihmler Benz (Mercedes) - Aricraft engines, nazi staff cars, tanks etc..
BMW - Aircraft engines, motocycles, armour etc..

Japan
Mitsubishi - Zeros, engines, steel for battleships, submaries, tanks....


Keep in mind to business goes where the best opportunity to make money is. ALWAYS.

If war is good for business then tanks it is. If peace is better for buinsess then coffee makers...

It sucks that the US forgave a lot of the businesses post WWII and helped them thrive but tfor the most part we held the governments and military responsible for war crimes.

Because business come first.

[Lisa]

6. the corporations won ...

sure looks that way, doesn't it!

[Kellanved]

7. It is a major corporation

Do you ask the same question every time you see a VW? a Chrysler? a Boomer? ...

And you're oversimplifying Fritz Thyssen a bit, he had a lot more spine than many of his colleagues:

--snip
Following the Kristallnacht, Thyssen resigned to all his political offices and fled to Switzerland and then to France. Hitler confiscated all his property and demanded his capture. The Vichy government of occupied France promptly obeyed and Thyssen was sent to a concentration camp.
--snap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Thyssen

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. Wow. So there CAN be such a thing as a "Compassionate Conservative."

It's a shame they went the way of the Tasmanian Wolf.

I wonder if Herr Thyssen had chats with Herr Schindler in a Buenos Aires café.

[chieftain]

9. No , but it increasingly seems that the Confederate States of

America did .

[B3Nut]

17. Thyssen bought Dover Elevator...

which operated as Thyssen Dover Elevator until the Thyssen-Krupp merger, then the name changed to the current one. Swiss firm Schindler bought the old US company Haughton, and Kone of Finland bought Montgomery Elevator out of Illinois. Lots of American heavy industry is in the hands of Europeans now. Otis is still US-owned, the last US firm of its type.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[GATOR MONROE]

21. bayer,zundapp,bmw,daimler-benz ,maico,krupp,...

multiply these by 100 AND YOU WILL SEE PRE-WAR AND VERMACHT ERA ACTIVITY???