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[alevensalor]

I know there's been some trouble with BBV, and I understand why the admins did what they did, so I'm not trying to start a fight, want that out there right up front.

Having said that, I am selling fraud car magnets:


http://watchingthewatchers.org/fraudmag.php">here, and donating half the proceeds to BlackBoxVoting.org

Since I understand some people are unhappy with Bev, I will also redirect the contribution to the charity of your choice (as long as they take PayPal), or the recount fund of your choice, etc. Just specify that when you order one, and I'll make sure I keep all the piles separate.

Meanwhile, I want to help raise enough to get our goals accomplished, to have clean and fair elections.

Peace,
~A!

[ramblin_dave]

1. Why do many call it "voter" fraud?

I'm sure there are some voters who commit fraud by trying to vote more than once or vote in places they shouldn't, but the fraud associated with voter suppression and rigged counting is not done by voters. We should call it election fraud or some such.

[Justyce]

2. or "voting" fraud

[JPace]

3. Vote Theft......

I think vote theft is more accurate....after all it is an act of
stealing peoples votes that cheats true democracy. Fraud doesn't quite tell the true story.

[Red State Rebel]

4. Sorry, but no

Until they come up with someone more stable to head up this project, I'm not giving another dime. Bev has shown herself to be a hothead and a loose canon and I think it's just a matter of time before this behavior ends up doing more harm than good.

There are still people here on DU who have not had their last contribution checks cashed so either the project is being mismanaged or they don't really need more funds right now.

[alevensalor]

5. I'm with you 100%

She put a message up on the front page of her website basically calling me a charlatan con man, so fuck her with a limp dick.

You can read all about it on my blog: http://watchingthewatchers.org/index.php?p=199

~A!

[Red State Rebel]

6. She is proving herself to be a nutcase.

And she is hurting our cause behaving this way. I can't believe she blatantly lied in the Wired News article!! I hope they take the time to see the proof and call her on it.

[alevensalor]

7. The funny thing is

the Wired article links to the thread where she threatened DU. It's silly. She's being silly.

~A!

[mogster]

8. Aw, what a quarrel

> She's being silly.

Right. And I agree.
But give the woman a break, she's been working damn hard on this.
And this will only reflect badly on the common cause of hauling the cheating s*ckers to court.

Aren't you people talking anymore now?

I see a huge kiss and tell coming up!

[alevensalor]

9. I agree that bickering is counterproductive

but come on, really. All I did was write a little bitch about her, she pretty much destroyed any chance of anyone who goes to her site responding to fund-raising letters, and made me a vocal opponent of her idiocy.

I love her cause, am working for the same one under a different banner, but I'm not going to support someone who treats people like she does. Again, she could have just asked me not to do it.

I doubt she'll want to kiss and make up, because she likely has never seen exactly what I was doing or trying to do. She got some report from someone and jumped on it without investigation, most likely, and then posted a message to the public rather than finding out who was responsible and asking them to stop.

She is working hard, and she deserves kudos for the work. Her public relations skills could use a little work, though. Check our BradBlog's ( http://bradblog.com ) latest, he has some debunking up about her discrediting the programmer who said he developed a rigging prototype.

~A!

[mogster]

11. You got some points there

And I'm not saying she's not acting pigheaded ;-)
Perhaps she needs to clean up her act and straighten out her PR skills, from what I hear.

But when discord occurs among the only groups working on election investigation, my little antenna starts winding, looking for peace and unity.
I'm a foreigner, and looking at the US from abroad you'll se half of political America as a tight, cooperating unit (a tight, cooperating, moronic and groupthinking unit, one might add), while the other is a more diverse group, not as polished and tuned to the same goal.
And that's usually a good thing, I mean, the Libs never has been a flock of unthinking followers, it's against our nature.

Self-critisizm and internal disagreement is our middle name, and I love it! :-D

But unity produces quicker results, and BH should see the advantage of being supported by the millieu here at DU, and put aside this episode to get on with it.

[harmonyguy]

10. Maybe there's more to it......

and while it's understandable that you may have inferred that the notice was being directed at you, are you absolutely sure that that's the case?

The notice on the site and quoted on yours, specifically states that it mentions 'working with Beverly Harris', something you say you didn't do. Perhaps this notice was prompted by the actions of someone else who WAS making such a claim.

Nowhere that I can see, is there a mention your offer to donate a portion of your proceeds to the organization. Nowhere that I can see, does it refer to, imply or suggest that you or anyone else is "...a charlatan con man..." or anything even remotely close.

I respectfully suggest that you may have read more into the notice than what was there, and that it may well have been prompted by another group that was making all manner of illegitimate claims.

All of us are subject to having our actions criticized - that's fair game, and everyone is entitled to their opinion based on those actions, but everyone's also entitled to have that criticism based on facts, not on inferences.

If anyone had called you all the various names you attributed to yourself, you'd be entitled to be upset, but unless I missed it, there is nothing to suggest that the notice was directed at you.

Maybe your reaction is worth reconsidering.....

HG

[alevensalor]

13. I took the stuff about giving her half down

because of this incident.

~A!

[harmonyguy]

17. ahhhh, perhaps non-incident

In another post you indicate "Hey, she wasn't too busy to find out and post something on her site, was she?"

As I suggested, maybe this whole notice thing wasn't about you.


HG

[TrustingDog]

12. from your site:

Harris is right.

You should have made an arrangement beforehand.

If Harris seems suspicious of the motives of others in trying to pimp off her organization’s work, there is ample reason.

Which you provide by turning a silly misunderstanding into a scurrilous attack.

Hal C.

Comment by Hal C — December 8th, 2004 @ 10:09 am

3.

Right, except I tried to make an arrangement ahead of time, and she didn’t say no, she just ignored me. If she had communicated to me in the last month I have been trying to reach her she didn’t want me to do it, I wouldn’t have.

Instead, she ignores me and takes it public. I am giving tit for tat, nothing more.

~A!
==
~A!, if you weren't aware - Bev has been Very Busy these last few months???? - and I can imagine how many emails and correspondence she recieves - likely scrolls worth every day, so she not responding to you is not you being 'ignored' (why take it so personal?)

but this is the kicker line:
""If she had communicated to me in the last month I have been trying to reach her she didn’t want me to do it, I wouldn’t have.""

--
so I can email some really busy person and offer/suggest them something and if I get no response, I just go ahead and do it anyway?

lol. not.
something smells a bit here, and it's ain't Bev's sweat from working so hard for all of us.

[alevensalor]

14. Yeah, my motives are completely scandalous

Hey, she wasn't too busy to find out and post something on her site, was she?

"something smells a bit here, and it's ain't Bev's sweat from working so hard for all of us."

I never said she wasn't working hard, and I am very aware of how busy she is. Again, she wasn't too busy to do something about it after the fact, only before, right?

And yes, silence is assent. Since there was nothing illegal in my actions, I never even had to say anything about it at all. I did so as a courtesy, a skill it seems you could use some work on.

~A!

[TrustingDog]

15. but you don't sound like a courteous person at all...

and you've just accused me of being skill-less in this area.

Is it so discourteous to ask pertinent questions, even tho they may make you twitch a bit? Bottom line seems to me - Bev did not give you permission and so you should not have gone ahead with whatever you were schlocking.

""And yes, silence is assent.""
==
what lawbook is that from? can you get me one, I could use that one in many ways.... :)

[alevensalor]

19. Again, I wasn't doing anything illegal

You compare donating proceeds to her organization to stealing a car? Why do you have the high ground here, again? Why should I waste my time replying to you?

~A!

[TrustingDog]

16. Silence is assent, folks!!

I have a well to do aunt that is away on holiday for 6 weeks and will most likely not be keeping up with her correspondence. I will email her that I want her mercedes that she has in her garage (she left me the keys to house sit) and if she doesn't respond.... (I'm not sure what the 'legal' waiting time is, you'll have to fill me in on that)... IT'S ALL MINE!!!

bwhahahahaahhaah!
silence is assent, folks!

[alevensalor]

18. Ok, no need for that, is there?

And I didn't say you were skill-less, I said your skills could obviously use some work. You just made my point for me.

Thanks!

~A!

[TrustingDog]

21. I've googled 'silence is assent'...

MyJewishLearning.com - Texts: No Neutrality: Silence Is Assent
Parashat Mattot No Neutrality: Silence Is Assent The laws of nullifying vows teach us that our silence and inaction in the face of contemporary injustice and ... www.myjewishlearning.com/texts/ Weekly_Torah_Commentary/mattot_artson5762.htm - 16k
==
well I can certainly dig this version.

but using this example to your case - not a chance.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

20. Now why would I give money...

...to a person who threatens to sue the site where I get all my news?