Why aren't Democrats putting massive pressure on Rumsfeld to resign?

[The Night Owl]

In the latest Rumsfeld scandal, Rumsfeld got caught in a bald-faced lie about US armor production capabilites. Why does Rumsfeld still have his job?

Rumsfeld should have been gone a long time ago, and yet he is still in place. Meanwhile, our illustrious Democratic leaders are wasting time trying to think of ways to "reach out" to Red State Republicans who hate our guts no matter what we do.

Please write or call your local officials and tell them to demand Rumsfeld's immediate resignation.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Because WE'RE not putting massive pressure on THEM.

When the people lead, the leaders follow.

NGU.

[rndmprsn]

12. good one n/t

[sampsonblk]

2. That's funny

Our party hasn't put massive pressure on anybody for anything in a long time. As a result, we don't have any massive pressure left to assert.

Why did we not see a massive, coordinated camnpaign against Condi Rice last year? Had we mounted a real fight, that tgramp wouldn't be in line for Sec of State now.

I agree with you. Let's start complaining loudly. Maybe we can get some action going.

[LiberalinNC]

3. He should have been gone a long time ago

Rumsfield should have been gone a long time ago. IMHO I believe he is responsible for the Iraqi Prison pictures! Instead of firing him for his incompetence, he'll probably be promoted! Typical "W"

[49jim]

4. We're stuck with Rummy

for a while...if he is fired or resigns it would be an admission of guilt about the war......we all know that story.

[Nothing Without Hope]

5. Yes, "people" just don't realize how criminally terrible he is

[Leaning_Right]

28. Too many attacks, noboby is listening.

The democrats have been calling for Rummy to resign since the day he took office. Every time he does or says something a handful of democrats hit the Sunday talk shows demanding his resignation. These attacks are seen by the average person as the constant attacks on Bill Clinton. After a while no one listens except small groups of activists. Had the democrats chosen the battle wisely, Rumsfeld would have been driven from office right after active combat ended and the occupation started.

[Nothing Without Hope]

29. Well put. I agree.

There's always some background of complaints, so unless you have a concerted, obviously sincerely outraged cohort of opposition, no one will notice. The pro-torture, anti-Geneva convention abomination will be approved as Attorney General for the same reason.

The congressional Democrats and any Republicans of integrity that remain are not organized and they appear fearful of using up their hoarded "political capital." In essence, they don't care enough and their first priority is NOT the country's welfare.

[Skittles]

33. bullshit

since when is anyone in the Bush misadministratin held accountable for ANYTHING?

[blm]

6. Kerry called for his resignation at least twice before. Most Dems didn't

give him any backup. Or, if they did, the media didn't give them any airtime.

[ShaneGR]

7. There have been dozens of calls for resignation....

In the end, I think he helps us. Why not keep him around?

[otohara]

8. Newsflash!!! Bush Doesn't Care What Dems Think

and many dems reps don't care what we think - otherwise they wouldn't have voted for war and Patriot Acts

[Disturbed]

9. Impeachment of Rumsfailed was talked about ...

but faded and fizzled.


Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

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Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...


Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

[knight_of_the_star]

24. We have to make the party officials care

By making it clear that what they do DOES matter to us and we will have no problem with ousting a member of the party to lose ground in the short term if it means taking a stand on principle.

[SmokingJacket]

10. You have to have some power to exert pressure.

We have none at this point. It's all water off a duck's back.

Sad to say.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. So we should do nothing then?

I would rather stand and die fighting for what is right than roll over because fighting will get me killed. At least my conscience will be clear and my ancestors won't ask me why I didn't live up to their examples.

[Telly Savalas]

11. What would be the point?

Say the Dems apply pressure, Rumsfeld resigns. Then what happens? Bush appoints an intelligent statesman who has a clear vision for the future of our nation's defence? Ha ha ha.

[knight_of_the_star]

21. At least we will gain a small victory

By causing that to happen, we will have forced Bush to concede ground. It will allow us to have more ground to work from for future moves against him and his cabinet.

[knowbody0]

13. why are democrats not putting mass pressure against this

war and proceeding with impreachment process

the "people" have spoken

[knight_of_the_star]

23. Why did that happen?

Because the party leadership forgot that this is the party of FDR, Truman, and Kennedy. They forgot that great leaders are remembered because they are courageous in the face of adversity, not because they fold to it. Neville Chamberlain, you may agree or disagree with his motives, is reviled because he rolled when he should have stood tall.

[pstans]

14. hehe

"You go to war with the Secretary of Defense that you have, not the Secretary of Defense that you want."

I heard that from Olberman or Jon Stewart, I think.

[Bigmack]

15. No Testicular Activity...

... whatsoever in the Dem Party, that's why.

[jesusq]

34. Amen! More Testicles Please

Democrats need much larger testicles. My dumb ass re-pug boss voted for Bush because he said Bush had larger testicles than Kerry. I don't know how he knows this; perhaps he used to work out at the same gym as the chimp? I don't know. I suspect that the chimp must have had some kind of testicle enhancement surgery, because when the chimp was a young man, his testicles were very, very small, but now that he can risk the lives of our children, his testicles have become quite large. He even walks funny.

[orpupilofnature57]

16. FU-K'EM ,like god can make Jews from stones,make real Dem's or LIBERALS!

Because people like me are still hunting the ? percent that helped this idiot slip in the back door.

[William Bloode]

17. It's simple....

the Democrats have become a spineless lot.

[Walt Starr]

18. Because they are being fitted for new pink tutus

There's a new Congress starting up on January 3 and they need to b e dressed appropriately, so no time for unimportant things, they need new tutus and kneepads, not to mention the preparation H they will need for the reeming they're about to allow.

[Nordic]

19. they're too busy sending him Christmas cards

spineless ass-kissing enablers

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Well, they did when the Abu Ghraib scandal came about.

Didn't do any damn good. What's the use? The minority has no power.

[Sugarbleus]

25. Good question! I've got some "pressure" I'd like to apply....

As much of a pain it might be, I think we have to start letter writing campaigns again...BIG TIME.

Write to everything/everyone that moves..en masse! Not just about Rumdum either...about everything!

[Lexingtonian]

26. Ah, but he's a member of the Triumvirate

Y'know, him and Cheney and Dubya.

You have to finish all three of them off to win, and they aren't gonna let you pry one away that easily.

[knight_of_the_star]

27. I love all of these negative responses

It is this attitude that will let the Bushies reign over us with impunity. Look at the Warsaw Ghetto: they KNEW that by rising up against the Nazis they would be slaughtered without mercy, but they did it anyway because they would not tolerate how they were being treated. So what if we lose? At least we will be able to say, "We did all we could." At least history books won't talk about the lack of domestic opposition to Bush's policies. At least our children will be able to say, "My mother/father stood up against one of the worst presidents in US history." The people who fought and won WWII could have said, "Our country is in the dumps and now we have to go fight an army that has not lost to anyone yet? Fuck that shit!" They didn't that is why they are called the greatest generation. The call to serve was sent out, and it was answered in droves.

It is ringing out again.

Will you ignore it?

[Nordic]

30. so what are you suggesting?

exactly?

[The Night Owl]

31. The point is...

Democrats should be asking for Rumsfeld's resignation even if doing so results in nothing more than a statement of record.

[Cocoa]

32. they have been calling for Rummy's head

why not criticize the republicans for not supporting the dems' calls for Rummy's resignation?