I just posted this over at a site talking about DNC chair

[Melodybe]

The posts above mine were talking about how bad a choice Dean would be, this was my response.

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If it is not Howard Dean, then you idiots are going to witness the party breaking in half.

So many of us, myself included, spent thousands of our own hard earned dollars on this last election. The fact that we volunteered, we canvassed, we registered new voters, and those at the DNC did NOTHING to help us. Did they send us much needed signs and bumper stickers? NO Did they petition to make sure the voting machines were secure and that we had paper ballots? NO Did they blast the media for their flat out lies? NO

The democratic "base" is getting very sick of being right over and over again, only to be written off as conspiracy loons every time we openly disagree. We were right about the war, we were right about the media, and we were right about the voting machines.

Is it any wonder that democrats with high IQs and a rack of college degrees supported Dean in the primaries?

Howard Dean is the only thing this party has going for it. If the DNC continues to keep their heads up their asses then don't worry we'll take our money and our time and support another party. BTW Dean people were the ones to work the hardest for Kerry, because unlike the current Bush apologists running the DNC, we have done our history homework and recognize Bush and his croneys for the FASCISTS that they are.

Don't pick Dean, never win another election, you are domming us to fascism anyway, thanks.

[merbex]

1. Guess you told them

I agree with you

[Melodybe]

2. It was a rant, and I don't care, I'm sick of being right

only to be told that I'm just being a conspiaracy loon.

Deaniacs have been correct about everything, only to face ridicule, screw that. I'm sick of it. If it's not Dean, I'm not a democrat anymore.

[mandyky]

8. Hear Hear, from a fellow Deaniac!

My opinion is screw em if they don't elect him for DNC chair, because then WE (hear that? WE) are free to run for President in 2008, because if we don't choose Dean for DNC, the party will need another spine implant in 4 years!

[LDS Jock]

3. I think Howard Dean would be a great choice

however I disagree with your statement the party would break in half without him. The party is bigger than him, or any one individual. I would support Dean for DNC chair due to what he did for Kerry during the election. He (and his followers) were by far the largest supporters of Kerry after the primaries were over. He placed the common good over individual glory, which is something others would do well to learn. If it is not Dean, it damn well better be someone to take the party in a new direction. I would love to change the past but since it is impossible, lets learn from it and not make the same mistakes again.

[itzamirakul]

5. Maybe the party won't break inhalf but

they will lose a very large segment of us if the DLC remains in control of the DNC. I, for one, want absolutely nothing to do with that group EVER again.

[LDS Jock]

9. I've had it too.. I try to remain optimistic about the party

seeing the change needs made. I'll be right with you finding a group to support if the DLC remains in charge.

[reprehensor]

12. Amen.

[reprehensor]

13. That's the ticket!

F*ck corporatism. They've had their day. It's time for American citizens to lead this country. Rough edges and all.

[Walt Starr]

16. If not Dean, many of us will take it as a clue that the party is doomed

and will leave forever.

[itzamirakul]

28. Check out Donnie Fowler...

He also sounds promising. His resume and some good facts are at this site: www.changetheparty.com

[LizW]

4. Oooh, snap!

Excellent, Melodybe.

:thumbsup:

[Radical Activist]

6. Has Dean made statements in favor

of the Ohio recount effort? I know he supported the Washington state effort.

[itzamirakul]

7. Melodybe: can you give us a link or addy

so that some of the rest of us can go there to post?

[Melodybe]

10. Sure,

here you go:
http://www.bopnews.com/archives/002596.html#2596

[itzamirakul]

14. Thanks...Come on everybody...

let's start some of that grassroots activism now and start leting the DLC know that we are sick of them. Follow this link and post something even if it is short.

[reprehensor]

11. You're right. You're so right.

Dean's the best hope.

I say, get the hell away from the Right of Centrists, (the DLC), and the corporatism that they exude.

I'm with Howard Zinn:
Harness That Anger

I agree with Matt Taibbi, the DLC is the road to nowhere:
No More Moore: The DLC Joins the Witch Hunt

And David Sirota has provided the road map:
The Democrats' Da Vinci Code

To hell with Republican Lite. To hell with it. Do not gravitate toward the 'center'. Do not collect $200. It has become the Devil's Corporate Playground. Look lower. Look at the grass-roots, and start watering, or the Democrats will go the way of the Whigs.

[GoldenOldie]

15. The Democrat Party is US - time to take it back

The Republican Party, Grand Old Party, has been highjacked by the CONS/big business and the PNAC and it was done slowly secretly and quietly without the true Republicans even being aware of what happened. Many of them are still under the illusion that their Party is a conservative party and still holds fast to the ideology of the GOP.

The Democrat Party is traveling the same road and it is long past time when the true Liberals/Progressives start taking back control of their Pary, state by state. We all neeed to become activists that are in their face on a daily basis and not just once a year protest where we assemble and march with banners and then return home and be quiet.

[ShaneGR]

17. I thought Howard Dean was supposed to raise the Dem Party up?

What happened to that? Now it's all about tearing it apart. The Dean people are taking it a little too far. You're setting it up so that no matter who gets the chair, no matter how qualified, will never be given a chance to work.

[Walt Starr]

18. You've got it wrong

The Dean people are sick of being shat upon by the DLCers. There is no longer an election that demands we vote ABB. WE have the power and WE might choose to leave the leadership flapping in the wind like the assholes they are!

[Melodybe]

19. No I'm saying that a majority of the base REFUSE to move more to the right

If the party insists on moving farther and farther to the right, then we will no longer be apart of it.

I supported Dean b/c not only did he represent the democratic wing of the democratic party, he spoke out against the loyalty to corporations that democrats are choosing over the people they represent, The New Freedom Commission for example.

If they choose someone left like Rosenberg, I'm fine with that. If they choose some repub lite Bath/Lieberman type they can kiss my ass good bye.

Don't worry the repubs are having the same spat right now too, they are just as unhappy with the neo-fascists.

So maybe I can wiggle on it being Dean or not, but I will not wiggle if it is some weakass repub lite dip shit, like Brazille.

[AP]

20. "High IQs"??? You think that's a good argument???

This post might be a better argument for not picking Dean as DNC chair.

You need to go back to the drawing board.

[Melodybe]

21. It's true, Dean supporters had the highest IQ's

and were more likely to have college degrees.

Out of all the 9 candidates, Deaniacs had the most dipolomas.

We were right about the war, the media, and the voting machines weren't we?

As I said I am sick of being correct, only to be treated like I am a a member of the looney left.

[prolesunited]

22. Posting that you honestly believe Bush is the anti-Christ

doesn't do much to further your disassociation from the fringe. Just sayin'

[Melodybe]

24. Bush is the next Hitler, if allowed to he will be far worse

also considering the fact that the maniac has his grubby murderous hands on the red button doesn't make me feel any better about it either.

If we don't support leaders that will openly call Bush out then we are doomed, end of story.

Also considering that 50% of DUers also think that he is the anti-Christ and that 25% of DUers say that even though they don't believe in the anti-Christ, but if they did it would be Bush, no, I don't feel to out of the fringe.

Failure to accept the potential evilness of Bushco is what has been holding democrats back for the last 30 years.

Those that can not fathom that they truely are fascists are deluding themselves.

I don't think that my belief in a higher power and in Bush's case a higher evil makes me fringe at all.

[AP]

23. Upper middle class, and white, and they cared more about war than class.

Not exactly in touch with America, I'd say. And this still is an atrocious argument.

[Melodybe]

25. That's not true, I know it's always been about class

I think that this country is in need of serious discussion on class, and the gap between the rich and the poor. That is another reason I supported Dean, other than Edwards he was one of the few candidates to openly discussed class.

When I said we were right about the war, I mean that it was nothing more than a bunch of trumped up bull shit cooked up by Bushco so that they could make money off of weapons and oil. I knew he didn't win in 2000 and I questioned them on 9/11.

My arguement is that going to the right, and picking a "safe" candidate only spells even more doom for our nation.

The fact the Deaniacs were the first bunch of folks out there trying to get rid of Bush b/c we as a group have always truely seen them for the evil that they are, is just that, a fact.

[AP]

26. Saying your team has the highest IQ isn't the way to make a statement...

...about being good on issues of class and race and poverty and opportunity.

You know why they have high IQs don't you? It's not because they're biologically or morally or even intellectually superior to all other Democrats.

And lots of people with high IQs have extremely fucked up ideas about politics.

[Radical Activist]

27. I heard Edwards, Kucinich, Sharpton and Gephardt talk about class issues

Not Dean. I think being social liberals and economic conservatives is exactly how NOT to appeal to a majority of Americans who don't live on the east or west coast.

Now, is there a study showing Dean supporters have higher IQ's or is that just an anecdotal observation?

[eridani]

29. Kucinich was the only candidate against both the war and NAFTA

Dean did the best internet organizing, but Kucinich and Clark also had pretty large self-organized volunteer bases.

Kucinich actually is what Dean is now merely being accused of. That said, I'm willing to temporarily put aside centrist vs left dispute in order to resolve the more important wuss vs. kicking ass and fighting back dispute first. And Dean is very definitely the answer there.