Saddam Hunger Strike

[DemonFighterLives]

MSNBC reporting that Saddam and 11 others are on a hunger strike. Not confimed as of yet.

[RPM]

1. geez - alibi, anyone?

so when he dies in their custody (if he hasn't already) it will be his 'fault' not theirs?

I bet they have been starving him for a month or more at this point and are getting ready to cover their asses when he passes.

[DemonFighterLives]

3. Now MSnbc is recanting

The military has confirmed that Saddam ate good today like a good boy.

[neebob]

14. That was also my first thought. nt

[Randi_Listener]

2. Drop dead, asshole.

Who cares?

[DemonFighterLives]

4. I take it that you don't

Saddam is supposed go go on trial. Now that is being pushed back to 2005 and maybe 2006. I guess we may never get his story.

[Randi_Listener]

25. We have his fucking story.

Propped up by US Refucklicans and deposed by US Refucklicans. In between the Refucklicans looked the other way while he shoved babies into wood chippers.

[DemonFighterLives]

27. Thanks for explaining that so nicely

NT

[Randi_Listener]

47. Saddam is a motherfucker.

Why would anyone stand up for that dickhead? The only one's that might have are both dead with the autopsy photos splayed all over the goddamn 'net.

[Us vs Them]

5. I care.

Saddam is a very interesting character with probably much to say on the state of the world. It's too bad he's wasting away in a cell instead of being used to the best of his capabiltiy.

Sadam for Homeland Security, 2004!

[Truman01]

7. Its this sort of BS that drives me crazy on this board...

* is still an idiot, but that doesn't make Saddam anything more than a murderous tyrant. I can't believe anyone would defend him or his family. I hope he and * burn in hell together.

TC

[QC]

8. And we on the Left were condemning Saddam as a tyrant 20 years ago,

back when the Republicans were arming him.

It's ironic, then, that now that the Republicans don't like Saddam, a few on the Left reflexively defend him. Kneejerk thinking at its worst. As though they both can't be assholes.

[Padraig18]

9. Beautifully said!

He's a barbaric, murderous asshole NOW, and he was 20 years ago, too.

[Maestro]

45. Yeah even though we had no business going into Iraq

I don't miss the egomaniacal freak and his family. I just pray that the Shias, the Sunnis and the Kurds can somehow find a way to work together. First step, let's get the hell out of there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[neebob]

13. Um, I think that person was joking

Clue: suggesting Saddam for Homeland Security.

I don't feel too sorry for Saddam, either, but it irks me that the American thugs who installed him and propped him up are still running around loose and getting all this mileage out of it. And Saddam is entitled to humane treatment - regardless of how he treated others, because it needs to be that way for everyone - and a fair trial. If that's defending him, then I must be a Saddam defender. But I see it as more of an insistence on humane, ethical, and fair justice.

P.S. Watch me make the Right Wing News again.

[Us vs Them]

15. Amen, my friend!

I think we can learn more from Saddam than any Rumsfeld, Bush, or Cheney, combined. People may view him as a murderous tyrant, yes. But there is a lot of potential for psychological play with a man who was captured hiding in a 'spider hole' but still thinks he is the 'elected' leader of Iraq. There is too much potential to waste away with an execution, or starvation by hunger before we gain that knowledge. Saddam is a resource, and having him in custody is a valuable thing for democracy. He deserves the same rights any of you would expect if captured by the government.

[neebob]

17. What's to learn?

Saddam's a psychopath. No conscience. Personality disorder. It's been pretty well studied already. He's also a liar, so I'm not particularly interested in anything he has to say, knowing it will be lies. I would, however, enjoy watching the complicity of members of past and current U.S. badministrations brought to light. I don't think that'll happen, though, and even if it does, the fact that he's a brutal dictator and an evil person and what have you will overshadow the wrongdoings of his American benefactors.

[Truman01]

18. He is no more an elected leader than *

He ruled by fear intimidation and murder. Just because I don't like the war that took him out doesn't mean I'm not glad he's out.

[neebob]

21. You're really glad, despite the war?

I can't say that. I get all hung up on the fact that Saddam's brutal regime was the creation of the U.S. government and have a hard time deciding which is worse. But because the past can't be undone and the war is so awful and so clearly wrong, bottom line, given the existing undesirable choices, I have to say I'd rather see Saddam still in power. I refuse to buy into the right-wing bullshit argument that overlooks the cause of the problem and says, basically, that two wrongs make a right.

Go ahead, lurking freeper creepers - quote me on your stupid sites. Whip your stupid unthinking selves into a stupid unthinking frenzy. Suck up the lies, feed the machine, and keep the criminals in power. Send your kids and your friends' and neighbors' kids off to die for a huge and obvious lie. Keep on paying money and blood so a bunch of greedy power animals who are already obscenely rich and wouldn't give you the time of day - much less pause to appreciate your payment - can grow richer and more powerful. Don't even think about how to stop the violence and misery and improve the world. And be sure to include this paragraph.

[Truman01]

22. No I'm not glad despite the war..... The war is a historical event now

The war has happened, right or wrong. We should clean it up and get out, but we can't undo the war. But you aren't going to see me shedding any tears for a murderous tyrant like Saddam.

TC

[neebob]

36. I haven't seen anyone shedding tears for him.

Perhaps they're shedding tears for the continually ignored and subverted possibility of a truly just and peaceful world? That would be the one where even scumbags like Saddam get decent treatment, because it's the right thing to do.

[OneTwentyoNine]

16. I don't defend his actions for a minute but I'd REALLY like to hear...

Him speak a few sentences about Reagan and Rumsfeld arming SH and the Iraqi's with ALL KINDS of WMD and how the were encouraged to use them with kill Iranians with extreme prejudice.

Thats my defense for wanting him alive...

[Us vs Them]

10. It was initially sarcasm, however

Saddam is still human, and was at one point the leader of the country we've gotten ourselves into a lot of trouble over. I hope people can see the validity of the point I'm trying to make when I say he could be a valuable tool in trying to wade through issues in Iraq.

Wishing someone burns in hell is a very angry statement, and I wish you the best of luck with all that negative energy.

[Padraig18]

6. Die, you evil mother f*cker!

I hope it hurts, before the end.

[DemonFighterLives]

11. I'm not defending Saddam in any way

But it would be more fair if D*bby and Daddy were in prison beside Saddam.
I would like to see the missing pages of the Iraqi weapons declaration that came out before we attacked.

[Tinoire]

26. "Burn Motherfucker Burn" huh?

What a great Shock and Awe attitude!!

Guess you agree with Bush, "This government is acting to protect the American people from the threats of a new era. In Iraq, the regime of Saddam Hussein is no more. (Applause.) A month ago -- one month ago -- that country was a prison to its people, a haven for terrorists, an arsenal of weapons that endangered the world. Today, the world is safer. The terrorists have lost an ally. The Iraqi people are regaining control of their own destiny. These are good days in the history of freedom. (Applause.) (April 15, 2003) www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030415-10.html



Wish I could say I was shocked. Remind me again why we went to Iraq. Oh yeah... LIBERATION right?


The roof / the roof / the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Everybody here we go
Ohh Ohh
C'mon party people
Ohh Ohh
Throw your hands in the air
Ohh Ohh

===

Just think. Under Sadaam, this little girl had health care, free education all the way to the university and the number one threat to her health was childhood obesity. But hell, who cares right? Saddaam was eeeeeeevil!

Gee, "THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES!!!!

[DemonFighterLives]

28. I hear ya Tinoire

W has really made Saddam look like an amateur.

[Tinoire]

30. Thanks for being a voice of decency in this thread

When I see the attitudes of many of the self-identified moderate Dems, I want to HURL and am increasingly understanding that the fight in the party now is between antiwar, pro-justice progressives and war-supporting and/or war-excusing "moderates" who have lost all sense of justice.

Hope the US gets dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal NOW for brining so much grief and misery to the world while idiotic sheep chant "Burn motherfucker burn".

[DemonFighterLives]

38. I don't understand the nastiness

I almost feel bad about bringing up the topic.
I do feel like another poster said that we should be an example of justice for the world and not use our big weapons to attack sovereign countries.
The only ones suffering from the current policies is US credibility with the rest of the world.

[Tinoire]

40. I don't understand it either. It seems more like wanting to escape

a guilt trip for not having denounced this evil war the moment it started and poo-pooing all the people who said "there are no WMDs", "Saddaam did not aid Al-Queda".

Instead of examining ourselves, we prefer to, JUST LIKE BUSH, now hide behind the fact that Saddaam was so evil he had to go and we hope he dies a slow death.

Why? Because the media told us so.

[Padraig18]

29. Excuse me, but I said what I said for am good reason.

He was and remains an evil, barbarous and unrepentant murderer, and he didn't suddenly become a saint just because Bush chose to invade Iraq. Do NOT assume tha you understand the 'why' behind my, or anyone's else's sentiment regarding that evil prick.

[Tinoire]

31. Right , the last cry of the war-excusers

The last cry of all war excusers. Just how do YOU know he was an evil, barbarous and unrepentant murderer? Did the US media told you so?

Guess they never told you how Saddaam took the oil revenues and DIRECTLY benefitted the Iraqi people by building schools, hospitals, roads and providing electricity in what had once been a backwards country? Guess they never told you a lot of things and you never looked. Saddaam was better than many of our so-called friends.

Evil prick indeed. Evil pricks are the people who support and excuse what is going on.

But how silly of me, I forgot about babies being thrown from incubators and all that kind of garbage!

[Padraig18]

32. Ignore he facts, as you wish.

I'm going to be nice and not point out the sheer lunacy of trying to defend someone who imprisoned, tortured, and systematically murdered anyone who opposed his 30 years of rule. He's an evil, unrepentant PRICK, and my only regret is that he won't die of cancer of the rectum without the benefit of so much as a Tylenol for analgesia.

:eyes:

[Tinoire]

33. You're right Padraig!

He was eeeeevil! You've got Bush and the US media on your side. You're RIGHT!! LET'S START A WAR

It doesn't matter if we're wrong or if we're right!

[Padraig18]

34. That has nothing to do with how feel about Saddam.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time, which means I can loathe both Bush AND Saddam.

[Tinoire]

35. Ah yes.. the curse of the New Democrats "Third way"

Standing in the middle of the road... Not knowing which way to turn... Paralyzed between hating Bush and not knowing which way to turn because deep down, there's no real disagreement with Bush- just a personality difference and quibbling over a few well-exploited wedge issues.

Well you know what happens to people who stand in the middle of the road? They get run over. Just like during these last elections.

[Padraig18]

37. That's such horseshit, I'm laughing at you as I read it

What the fuck ever, Tinoire...

:eyes:

[Tinoire]

39. Of course you're laughing

Make sure you keep laughing long and hard when people horrified by attitudes like yours expose these lies.

But Saadddddaaaaaaammmmm was so eeeeevvvvvilllllll!

Your eloquence and masterful expose of facts is, as usual, impressive. :sarcasm:

[Padraig18]

41. The *facts* my dear Tinoire, are JUST as I stated them.

Don't insult my intelligence, or embarrass yourself, by attempting to say that Saddam WASN'T a barbaric, prolific mass-murderer who RICHLY deserves his fate.

:eyes::wtf:

[Tinoire]

42. You are too funny

You know nothing other than what the US media has spoon fed you. You refused to address the fact that Saddaam used oil profits to take Iraq from being a backwards country to a flourishing, modern secular state which was the pride of the Middle East.

You'd rather believe the neoconservative/neoliberal brouhahaha about how Saddaam butchered millions of people and repressed them.

You're only embarrassing yourself as you parrot the neo lines used to justify this war.

Saddaam Hussein. The man the US loves to hate. I can't wait to read your posts as the tempo against Iran and Syria rises.

On edit. I'll leave you the last word because this exhange is as tedious as the ones during the Primaries.

[Padraig18]

43. What he did or did not 'use oil profits for' is irrelevant.

And it is you who is embarrasing yourself, not me. He's a murderous thug who RICHLY deserves whatever Circle of Hell he winds up occupying.

[Tinoire]

44. LMAO

So Americans, to include all the war-condoning and war-excusing Democrats, supporting this 12 year venture who have the blood of millions of Iraqis on their hands richly support whatever circle of hell is coming for them too then?

Very good Padraig. The logic, as always, is impeccable.

Those are my last words to you because this really is tiresome. Amusing but tiresome. Adios.

[Padraig18]

46. Yes, it has been amusing.

I'm always amused by the predictable left-wing, :tinfoilhat: fringe's attempts to create some bizarre melange of pseudo-intellectual crapola, and force-feed it to people who might not actually know better.

[CatBoreal]

12. I want him alive...

and healthy when they put him on trial. I think the Iraqi people deserve that much (and more).

I want him to see justice coming. I want him to be held accountable. I want to see him squirm.

And I want there to be no doubt as to his guilt.

Then we can kill him.

[Guarionex]

19. not like I will miss him...

but he should get his day in court...not because of him...but because we should hold ourselves to higher standards of legal treatment.

Give him a fair trial...a real fair trial...there's much evidence to convict him...and if it really was fair, all the Reaganites who supported him would be on the dock too....

Calling Rumsfeld, Powell, and Bush Sr....you're wanted on the dock!

Reagan's already getting his just punishment in hell...

[Name removed]

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[Must_B_Free]

23. Is that newspeak for "We're not feeding him"?

[Deja Q]

24. Interesting point. The media has omitted and distorted before...