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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:44 PM
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Christian Conservatives are going to "take their country back."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/13/national/13states.html

There is a lot of outrage here, but these paragraphs caught my eye.

SNIP.."State Representative Cynthia Davis of Missouri prefiled two bills for the next session of the Legislature that she said "reflect what people want." One would remove the state's requirement that all forms of contraception and their potential health effects be taught in schools, leaving the focus on abstinence. Another would require publishers that sell biology textbooks to Missouri to include at least one chapter with alternative theories to evolution.

"These are common-sense, grass-roots ideas from the people I represent, and I'd be very surprised if a majority of legislators didn't feel they were the right solutions to these problems," Ms. Davis said.

"It's like when the hijackers took over those four planes on Sept. 11 and took people to a place where they didn't want to go," she added. "I think a lot of people feel that liberals have taken our country somewhere we don't want to go. I think a lot more people realize this is our country and we're going to take it back."

Joe Rospars at the blog today is covering this article under the name The Fanatical Right's Infrastructure at Work.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

SNIP.."Ann Coulter would be proud.

You have to credit the discipline and organization of the fanatical right. They have spent decades cultivating a farm system that starts at the local level. They have a working infrastructure to put money, skills and talking points on the ground.

Indeed, they have succeeded to the point where they can elect someone like Ms. Davis, who is so far out of the mainstream that she will say something like that.

So many of us have been asleep at the wheel of our democracy. Not just Democrats but independents and normal, mainstream Americans generally. We've let a highly-motivated fringe group seize power and reshape not only the direction of our country but even the language we use to debate about it.

The task ahead isn't just to catch up with the infrastructure that the Republicans have built. More broadly, we need to spread the word that democracy requires more than voting. Citizenship means getting informed, volunteering, organizing, and even running for office yourself. The 2004 cycle got us started -- but there is much more work to be done."

Posted by Joe Rospars at 12:58 PM



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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:47 PM
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1. ready for "The Fundamentalist Papers" ?
This is a continuation of a piece that was written for a 'dystopia' thread in the new Writing forum. Yes, it's a nightmare scenerio, to be sure. But, if the fundamentalists are allowed and even encouraged to continue their agenda, it is a nightmare we could see coming to pass here.
From: The Diary of Dan Frank

Outside Ithaca, NY. In the year of our Bush 2007

The Fundamentalist Papers
The entire purpose of The Fundamentalist Papers was to gain popular support for the then-proposed ReConstitution. Some would call it the most significant public-relations campaign in history; it was, in fact, the bedrock document for the secularization of the United States as a sovereign Christian nation.

If enough of us are writing these things down, perhaps a record will remain. That will have to be reason enough to continue.

By the time The Fundamentalist Papers, as they came to be known, were enacted into law, we knew it had become inevitable. The perverse and parasitic marriage between wealthy men controlling virtually the entire economy–including virtually all news and entertainment–though their metastacizing corporations and the terrified and enraged masses ready to remake the nation in their "Christian" vision was locked in holy stone.

In the months following the nuke attack in South Florida and the LNG explosions in the Pacific Northwest, a panicked populace was artfully driven into the arms of the most aggressive of the evangelical conglomerates, Our God's America (OGA). OGA's leaders, Pat Roberston and Jerry Falwell, the twin pillars of American christian hypocrisy, stated their organization's goals unequivocally–the restoration of the country's fundamental Christian foundation.

History, be damned!

...to be continued.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:47 PM
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2. Well, it's always nice to see us liberals compared to the 911 hijackers.
:eyes:
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:54 PM
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4. I was thinking the same thing....
And they call themselves Christians! These fundies are the most hateful people out there.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:04 PM
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6. As with, say, Hannity's book sub-title
His last one was subtitled "Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism."

The RW has considered liberalism the equivalent of terrorism for some time now.

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:49 PM
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3. it was never "their" country to begin with
we live in a rose garden, with room for every variety of rose, but those guys are the weeds, and if they take over, there will be no more roses.

That sense of false ownership is something else - the only "liberalism" they're referring too is GAYS EVERWHAR.

It's really fun being mean to them.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:00 PM
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5. Aw, Crap...Can I pick a camp in a warm climate?
Shoot, they'll probably build the Liberal Camps in North Dakota, anyway...

Howe about the way the Fundies are trying to take us "to a place we really don't wanna go"?

I really despise Religion, have I mentioned that in the last hour or so?
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:04 PM
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7. Is Iraq "their country?"
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 02:05 PM by KurtNYC
Immigration to Iraq

The flood of conservatives continues to pour into Iraq following Bush's victory in the U.S.

"We just can't wait to live in a theocratic utopia so we thought we'd move here to Iraq where Bush's vision is becoming reality," said Ted Nugent.

“Ditto,” added Kid Rock.

Iraqis were baffled by the influx of conservatives who keep asking for directions to “the nearest Hummer dealership and Charles Schwab offices.”

“One guy just stood there at the airport. I said ‘what are you waiting for?’ and he said ‘you are supposed to throw flowers at my feet – I am your liberator.’ So I slapped him and told him to get into the damned cab before we both get shot,” reported Haddam Ibn Ali.

Many conservatives said they were moving to Iraq “just to piss off the liberals.” And they looked forward to having their children attend faith-based schools in Iraq which were ‘recently rebuilt.’

“They haven’t built a new school in the US in 4 years so we moved here. ‘Follow the money’ as they say,” laughed Susan Goodcookie formerly of Missippi. “The locals have an interesting sense of humor. When I ask where the new schools are, they just laugh, then comment to each other in that foreign language and then laugh some more. So I still haven’t found the new schools.”

Many conservatives were lured by the idea that they could send their children to brand new schools in Iraq, built entirely by tax dollars coming from Blue states but the real kicker was the all faith-based curriculum. The school day, when the schools get built, will consist of 6 hours of prayer, 1 hour of bible study (just the butt kicking parts, not the ‘cheek turning’) and 1 hour of creation science.

Among the new settlers are Daniel Klopfarb, CEO of Monster.com, “I have been such a strong advocate for outsourcing that I thought I should try it myself. I moved my job and my family here and now pay myself 78% less than I would have had to pay myself in the US. It is saving us big bucks!”

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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:08 PM
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8. now you know how ordinary Afghanis felt
when the Taliban started to tighten their grip. I'm not trying to be humorous either...your country is in big trouble if these zealots ever get total control. Particularly so if the "Endtime" nutters get into high office.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:11 PM
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9. Why does the press give these nuts attention?
This fringe population is getting a lot of coverage these days, and I think it's making the normal Christians look like complete fools.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:13 PM
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10. They're welcome to "their" country...
but they can keep their filthy, bigoted hands off MINE!

:grr:
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:19 PM
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11. Whew! From the title of this thread...
I thought they were announcing we were going to attack Britain. After all, so many claim they came here because they could no longer practice their religion in their own country of the time, I figured they were planning to take it back.

Glad Blair can rest easy(er) now.

:silly:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:48 PM
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12. LOL that was funny.
And so true. Thanks for a much needed laugh.

:hi:
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:55 PM
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13. They've got us by the throats here
in Missouri, everything with the exception of attorney general and auditor belong to the pukes. We've got a 33 year old govenor now for gods sake, this sob is still in diapers. Our senators, completely insane reptiles, our congressional district, another religiously insane reptile.
I want out of here so fucking bad, but, my wife won't fucking budge from mommas teat.
Damn, this is going to be scary.
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