Go, Bill, Go!!

[Sannum]

Bill Clinton fought back when he ran into a verbal mugging in Central Park.

The former President is said to have been strolling through the park with his Secret Service team recently when a man pushing a stroller taunted, "You were an embarrassment to the office of commander-in-chief."

Lakshmi Kumar, writing in Citizen Culture magazine, says she saw Clinton stop and deftly tell his heckler, "Oh, really? I think I did a helluva job.... I'll admit I misled people about my personal life. And I have even apologized for it, but I never misled the people about policy and I certainly never misled the people about going to war."

Clinton is said to have spent 45 minutes taking questions from a mostly adoring crowd, then told his detractor: "I hope your children turn out to be as perfect as you are, sir."


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/262082p-224420c.html

[laheina]

1. Go Bill !!

I love Bill Clinton, and I'm glad that he's not one of those smile and wave public figures.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

91. When Clinton lied, no one died.

[Cha]

102. Can you imagine after bush gets out and

one of us tells him he was a "disgrace to the office"?

bush would say .."who cares what you think" and give the disgruntled citizen "the finger"!

[McKenzie]

2. I'm listening to the audiobook version of his autobiog'

and it's read by Bill. Loving it.

In a world of less than perfect people he is one of the good guys...on the side of the angels.

Well done Bill.

[KT2000]

3. That's great!

He is one tough guy and I love it.

[Historic NY]

4. My sentiments too.........n/t

[Skittles]

5. gawd I love the Big Dog

always have, always will

[ObaMania]

6. Too bad one of the "adoring" crowd members...

.. didn't get up in this M.F'ers face! I know I would have.

[OneTwentyoNine]

7. Man pushing stroller...laid OFF pal??

Playing Mr.Mom after losing a good job under this fucking disaster Administration?

Clinton calmly PIMP slapped that SOB with words...Bawhahaha...GO BILL!!

[ObaMania]

81. No... haven't you heard?

He and his wife made a "decision" that someone should be at home with their children. And since she made more, they decided he'd do it. After all, this arrangement is good for the kid and more economical when you consider all the daycare charges, etc..

Yeah, right! I have two sets of Re :puke: ex-friends (who don't even know each other) gave my wife and I almost the exact same story, so they didn't have to admit they're in this situation because of *

It kills me. F'n morans!

[ET Awful]

8. Well done Bill!

Wish he could run again.

[Swamp Rat]

9. Yeah you right!

Go get 'em Big Dog!

:headbang:

[bklyncowgirl]

10. Good for Bill n/t

That man needs to get back in the game.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. That's my Bill!

:loveya:

[NightTrain]

12. Great! I'm glad Clinton is finally taking on those douche bags.

It's not like he has to worry about getting votes anymore!

[Guaranteed]

13. OH, WELL DONE!! nt

[Sparkly]

14. There's a reason Chimp will never be "strolling through the park"

Chimp would get a lot harsher "verbal muggings" than that. Talk about an embarrassment!!

[rfranklin]

50. "Who cares what you think?"

I believe that would be the snappy comeback.

[mistertrickster]

51. That's what I was thinking too--Chimpster would never get near any

actual people. He lives in his neo-con world.

[Porcupine]

100. The Chimp dreads unplanned contact with the public

I suspect he believes that he might not survive. But he will never, ever walk in Central Park with less than a company strength force surrounding him. His mind is a prison.

Personnally I think more of the public at large. the would just tell him what a POS he is. Again and again and again.

[ScaRBama]

15. Man! I wish Bill.....

was still the President.

[RobbyRoo]

16. Clinton Rocks!

Why can't he be our president again? WHY????


http://www.cafepress.com/billclintonshop

[gingergreen]

17. Can you please be our President again?

Please Bill? Oh how great those days were.

No worries, no one hating us, hope for the environment.

That is my fantasyland.

[alaintex]

39. Ooooo, I don’t know about all that.

I think radical Islamists were blowing up our embassies and ships and trying to drop the World Trade Center back in old Bill’s day too.

There might be a little too much "Good ol' days" syndrome going on here.

[Bridget Burke]

41. Yes, but Clinton opposed the terrorists.

He didn't stand aside & allow them to kill 3,000, then campaign on the attack.

And his lies didn't start any wars.

[alaintex]

112. I’m not saying Clinton was bad or Bush is good,

I was just responding to gingergreen who said:


Oh how great those days were.

No worries, no one hating us.


There was plenty to worry about, lots of people hated us then too. Maybe not because of the president then, but the terrorists still wanted to kill Americans.

[peacebird]

117. yes - terrorists hated us but

now somewhere around 99% of the WORLD hates us. including most of our former allies.

[placton]

56. failed, though, eh? Thanks to Bill and his laser thinking!

There was supposed to be a big attack at the turn of the millenium - the govt read the tea leaves, and thwarted it.

[blm]

64. Clinton commissioned a 2 yr study, The Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror

The report was finished in Jan. 2001 and handed to Bush on Jan.30, 2001. Bush refused to read the report with its warnings and urgent proposals to secure the nation.

Bush's laziness and unhealthy ego led to treasonous negligence.

[craiga86]

73. What are you talking about?

Clinton was the one, along with Richard Clarke, to make terrorism a top issue within the Cabinet. Not only that but under Clinton we actually thwarted attacks and completely built a system for Homeland Securiy that never existed before. Read Richard Clarkes book, and you'll see how committed this guy was to terrorism.

[stanwyck]

75. Repeat after Condi

the name of the report handed to you by the Clinton administration: "Bin Laden to attack within the United States".
Face it. Clinton had Hussein in the box. Bush let him out. 3000+ died under Bush's watch. He spent the highest time of terrorist "noise" on vacation in Texas. He ignored all warnings. He wanted to invade Iraq....so he ignored the Bin Laden/Al Queda intelligence. Our people died. And they continue to die. Read the headlines. Good old days...yeah, they were better then. Stronger economy. Stronger worldwide support. Stronger environmental policy. Stronger educational policy.
What specifically is now better? Oil company profits?

[Arkana]

98. Yeah, damn us for wishing we had eight years of peace and prosperity back.

:eyes:

Terrorists were actually kept in check under the watchful eye of Clinton's antiterrorism team. A couple more months and Richard Clarke's team might have gotten bin Laden.

[tabasco]

105. But I thought Clinton was just wagging the dog??

..when he warned us that terrorism was the Nation's number one threat?

:shrug:

[AP]

18. You can (and should) read the article this one quotes:

http://www.citizenculture.com/preview.html

There are three images of the magazine cover -- it's in the last one on the right. It's a pdf file and it's on p 10 of the pdf. It's only the first page, unfortunately.

[FizzFuzz]

40. dammit, wish I could get the whole article. n/t

[lancdem]

120. Me too

I loved the excerpt, especially the shot at Bush for lying about the Iraq war.

[ckramer]

19. Bill Clinton for president, again!

[BrainRants]

46. Maybe we can elect him President of

The Unites States of Canada, and Jesusland can have Chimpie!

Bill Rocks!

[ScaRBama]

20. It didn't take Bill but only a few years....

to straighten out the mess the Republicans left behind and I KNOW he could do it again.
I just hope and pray the Democratic Party can find somebody to fill his shoes one day.

Love you Bill......In Alabama!!!!!

[brainshrub]

21. Remember when the President was someone intelligent?

I still think Clinton was the most successful conservative President we ever had, but he was certainly light-years ahead of Bush.

[spanone]

22. Wow, that was like, four years ago?

[hoosierblue]

23. The greatest thing about Bill...

He knew how to hit back and hit back HARD. We miss you, Bill!!!

:loveya:

[FizzFuzz]

38. not only that, he's civil and smart as he does it!

Bill RULES!

I miss Bill!

[Killarney]

24. I miss Bill.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

25. Isn't the DNC looking for a Chair?

If it can't be Howard Dean -- which is should be -- the Big Dawg is the next best choice. Although he probably doesn't want it...

[Plaid Adder]

26. "I hope your children turn out to be as perfect as you are."

That is the ultimate in zingers. I will steal and re-use liberally.

C ya,

The PLaid Adder

[mark414]

30. that was THE best part

oh man bill, even though you were a moderate i love you so much

[Lisa]

71. Bill's been talking to my mother!

She used a similar phrase when I'd been bullied by the "in" girls at my old high school ... though I have to admit, she doesn't have Bill's flair for the snappy-but-civil public retort!

I can't decide which of Bill's answers I like better, this one or his "yes I am" when somebody called him an "Arab-lover".

[bunkerbuster1]

114. A me-too post, but damn. Just damn.

fookin' brill, that was.

[HoosierClarkie]

115. Ditto! n/t

[DemGa]

27. Good job! n/t

[Mad_Dem_X]

28. Big Dog knows how to deal with people

Can you imagine W in that situation? :crazy:

[mark11727]

36. Not really...

...any "admiring" commoners couldn't get within TASER-range of da Smirk, realistically speaking.

[ClintonTyree]

45. "W" would never BE in that situation...................

He's the most hated man in the world. His life after his Residency is over is going to be a liviing hell. He won't be able to go anywhere without dozens of bodyguards, more likely a Company of battle hardened soldiers. He'll have to live within his Ivory Tower, never able to do things normal people do. Then again, the idiot is NOT normal and could care less about rubbing elbows with common folks unless they've been heavily vetted, disarmed, loyalty oaths signed, and behind a barbed wire fence.
Jeebus I loved this country when the Big Dog was President. I was proud to be an American. Now I tell everyone I'm Canadian. In four short years this country has gone from the penthouse to the outhouse, courtesy of the idiot boy king.

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. I want to cross paths with Chimpie one day when he's no longer

the pResident, just so I can tell him what a miserable sorry ass excuse for a human being he is.

[jeanarrett]

29. God, I love Bill Clinton. . .

And I always will. . .

Instead of a proposal to allow immigrants to run for president, how 'bout one to let someone who has already served run again-- like Bill! But, egads, it would be horrible if Bush got in there once more--if we even survive this four years.

[markbowen]

33. Don't be surprised...

...if those wacky cons try to repeal the 22nd Amendment just so they can run Bush for a third term.

I sincerely hope they do that, because it would allow the Democrats to run none other than Bill Clinton, who would absolutely annhilate W.

Clinton maybe was not the greatest president, but he was a great leader.

[newyawker99]

34. Hi jeanarrett!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[alaintex]

43. I say pass both and let Clinton run against Arnold

That way neither candidate would dare bring up the others “personal” issues.

[President Kerry]

124. Arnold would get his ass fried..

I'd pay to see this.

[Puglover]

31. The fact that he stopped and talked at all says

volumes about Clinton. He genuinely likes people and interacting with people. The idiot moron wouldn't have even answered or if he would have it would have been with a smirk and his middle finger.

[ArkDem]

32. His detractor stood around for 45 minutes with a baby

while taking a tongue lashing from the former president. He must really be weird.

[Vidar]

35. Cheering the Bid Dawg.

[absolutezero]

37. I miss him

Clinton was awesome. If only we could amend the constitution and get him back in office

[slor]

42. BIG DAWG!!!!!

You Sir, are still my PRESIDENT!!!!

[UdoKier]

44. Oh, yes, lets all drool over Clinton again.

The man who gave us NAFTA, welfare deform, a GOP majority in the House, and via his ridiculous lack of penis control - George W. Goddamn Bush.

Oh yeah, and a wife who ENTHUSIASTICALLY voted FOR the war as Clinton himself did everything he could to BOLSTER Bush's WMD lies.

Christ, where do we get off attacking the right for being snowed by the RW media machine, when we are so easily conned by this slickster, who helped the REPUBLICAN DLC turn the democratic party into a permanent minority party?

(RANT OVER)

[slor]

47. Nobody is conned...

and yes, we know he did some fucked things, BUT he also did far more good things, and you need to remember that. Also, the last two elections are very suspect and quite a few of our fellow citizens are idiots, so you cannot blame the chimp on him. Not one person said he was chosen by god, and we all know he is just a human, but damn my friend, after what we have endured for 4 years and maybe 4 more, can you not rejoice in what was 8 years of mostly great presidential leadership?

[UdoKier]

48. I was deeply concerned by his leadership then.

I like the man as a person, but I cannot join in the drool-fest.

I still remember the late 90s when everybody started talking about a "new economy" that would never again have a recession, when stock prices were through the roof for companies that never had produced a dime of revenue, when personal debt and bankruptcies were already at all-time highs, and the Clintonistas did nothing to bring it under control. When I mentioned that I thought it was all a speculative house of cards just like all the others, people looked at me like I was nuts.

I'm more grateful to Clinton to Clinton for what he did NOT do, more than what he did, since the only actual progressive reform he achieved in 8 years was the Family Leave Act, and that was UNPAID leave.

But yes, I'm grateful that he didn't invade Iraq, rack up deficits and try to destroy social security as Bush has done. It must have been hard to resist, since I'm sure his GOP, oops DLC masters were urging him to do so.

[mistertrickster]

52. Good points--If Clinton had resigned over the Monica affair, Gore

would be president right now instead of Chimpy.

Both his affair with Lewinsky and his handling of it was not in the best interest of the Party, and as a result, look who's sitting in the White House now . . .

But at least he was human, unlike that horrible little monster, GW. You can't help but not like warmth that Clinton has for people.

[shrike]

72. I don't agree

Nixon resigned, was replaced by Ford -- and Carter won in '76.

If Clinton had resigned, the Right Wing would have ridden it all the way to the White House. Bush would probably not even have had to steal the election in 2000. Which is not a slam against Gore -- I just don't think that following in the wake of the second president in history to resign from office would have helped him any.

The biggest reason Gore lost, IMO, was that the Dems were simply not prepared to fight the Republican noise machine. They still aren't, IMO.

[shrike]

49. I think you're giving Bill too much credit

The GOP had a lock on the white house before he showed up. Our pre-Bill candidates included Mondale and Dukakis (nice guys; I've got nothing personal against him.)

[BiggJawn]

59. He did more good on a BAD day than Chimp will EVER do in 8 YEARS.

And I won't "drool" over Bill Clinton, but I'd STILL take a bullet for him.

[UdoKier]

65. That's not saying much "He was better than Bush."

We are the party of Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy.

I expect more than just "Better than the worst president of all time."

[BiggJawn]

77. I was a little kid when JFK died...

And I don't think my father had even reached puberty during FDR's administration.

Excuse the hell out of me for thinking in the recent.

Bill Clinton was the best President of *MY* time, OK?

[faithnotgreed]

88. im pretty much with you on this one udokier...

clinton increasingly becomes elevated in stature not only as time passes (so we recall the intelligence and trying to be decent, and not all the garbage) but certainly in comparison to bush, he is miles ahead.

but i agree there was a lot of negative and i dont even want to talk about his continued defensiveness with, and downplaying of, the whole monica affair. how he could tell us that it all happened "because i can", just really speaks volumes to me, and at the time when he couldnt really show humility and shame. i know it must be quite complicated but i was not surprised that he emphatically and repeatedly lied for some time about it.

there is such a lack of integrity in all parts of life that its unfortunate we dont hold our "leaders" to anything but the same minimum as the rest of society.

give me people like jimmy carter and, from what i know of them so far, howard dean, wes clark etc the thread these people have is they really stand for something. when they are asked a question, they answer the best they can but it seems to come from a place of depth and truth. when i hear clinton, i only hear politics.

i realize he did some positive things in office and was up against quite a lot. but he also brought a lot on himself both personally and all the policies udokier mentioned. very disheartening for me overall because i had gladly and thankfully voted for him both times.

[Tsiyu]

92. As if Clinton was the only playah in Washington!

Oh, give me Bush's and Peter Jennings' and Newt Gingrich's and Kenneth Starr's and Sean Hannity's and Rush Limpdick's personal sex lives on a platter!

Reveal all of their dalliances!

Delight in exposing their private pleasures!


GIVE ME A BREAK!

At least Clinton admitted he did something for the wrong reason. Starr and the rest of the goons who went after Clinton did so because THEY COULD as well, and also because they had nothing else to destroy him with. Yet they passed off their pornographic lust to witness another man's private moments as some moral quest for righteousness. They are ALL whores!

The media and the Repukes are to blame for the mess we are in. It's time to do some of that seventy times seven forgiving when it comes to the Big Dawg.

[Person_Of_Interest]

110. I still don't understand people like you...

Unlike many American's I was never interested in Bill Clinton's affairs, many president's before him have done the same if not worse. His personal life should remain his personal life (whether he's president or not)people vote for a president in regards to what they can accomplish for them and what policies he/she will uphold (not if he can remain faithful to his wife) and to those who were so ashamed to me (and I don't mean any disrespect) have no life.(Morals, morals you say...please your parents should of taught you that or your place of worship etc). I hope people aren't looking for politicians to teach you morals ..quite frankly he might not agree with your morals) His wife apparently wasn't as ashamed as the American people because hey if you haven't heard their still married whether they might hold some type or agreement or not. When you see Clinton you say you see politics thats what your supposed to see. This isn't a popularity contest. I bet the people that were the most ashamed are the ones who have the most skeletons in their closet. OH and I bet you can think back and recall some instances in your life that your mom/dad wouldn't be too proud of. I bet if people put as much energy in writing to him and other people in position in regards to the policies "you were not too proud of" maybe he would of been better with some "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" Everyone in life has done good and bad things it just so happens his was splattered all over the news. The problem with the Democratic party is they spent too much time with the presidents "PERSONAL" lives.

Bill Clinton keep your head up and continue telling people to mind their business they are no better than you especially if they think they are so "perfect" cheers to you!!!!!!
:toast: Ohhh and another thing keep on telling them they are so "PERFECT" !!!!!!

[lancdem]

118. Clinton's statement that he had the relationship with Monica

"because he could" was hardly a defense of his actions. It was the opposite, in my view. That's his way of saying he has no one to blame but himself. The man's a sexual compulsive, BTW, which explains why he did something so risky and stupid. And he's plenty ashamed by what he did. He's just sick and tired of people acting like it was Watergate.

[Pepperbelly]

89. what a crock of shit.

Maybe YOU are doing well enough these days but I sure as fuck am not. I did very well when Bill was Prez. I have an idea ... why don't YOU run and show us how it's done.

:eyes:

[BobF]

121. With Bill, the glass was nine-tenths full!

OK, Clinton was the DLC personified, 'played nice' with the Pugs on things like welfare reform and NAFTA, and never even once (to my knowledge) described himself as a 'liberal'.

But I still like the guy.

Like the titular character in those old 'Road-Runner' cartoons, he knew how to outwit his ravenous adversaries without ever losing his smile or his air of nonchalance. He approached the presidency with all of the will and forethought of a chess Grand Master, thinking eighteen steps ahead of his opponents, and there was a reason behind every pawn he sacrificed. And yes, in order to win the game, you have to sacrifice pawns. But I still believe that he really tried to do the best he could to benefit EVERY American, which was no easy task considering the forces allied against him.

It's interesting to note that the Pugs don't seem to want to remind anyone about Clinton's impeachment these days, and it's no surprise...the Chimp would have long ago been impeached, convicted, and currently be rotting in prison if he were ever to be held to the 'Clinton Standard'. Even that soulless bastard Ken Starr, who destroyed so many lives in his unchecked vendetta against Clinton, now seems to want to 'play nice'.

(Side Note: If there were any justice in this world, Ken Starr would be the one locked up. He personifies everything I hate about the Right Wing.)

I don't expect Clinton to "save" us now. He did enough just by surviving eight years of ceaseless pummeling, and in doing so, proved that it could be done. Both Gore and Kerry could have learned something about politely whuppin' Pug Butt from him. It's not Clinton's fault that they didn't.

And yes, it's still a hope of mine to someday shake his hand.

[lancdem]

122. Great post, BobF

and welcome to DU! :hi:

I'd also love to shake Big Dog's hand.

[musette_sf]

53. Imagine * in the same scenario

"Guards! Arrest that man!"

[FlyByNight]

54. Must have felt good for Bill...

to actually confront and defend himself against such breathtaking ignorance. Good for you Bill.

[Selwynn]

55. Love the man, hate is politics

I love Bill Clinton the man, and I hate what republicans tried to do to him. That doesn't chance the fact that I hate his politics and know that he contributed much to the losing strategy that has cost the part so much in terms of power and vision. I do not support new democract centrists politics, but intellectually and in terms of political philosophy - I love the man.

[demokatgurrl]

57. Love the man, love his politics.

He gave the party the equivalent of CPR. Unfortunately, the DLC continues to take credit and thinks it can con us into letting it select our candidates. Clinton won because he's Clinton, and happened to be a DLC member and made them look good.

I miss him too.

[Selwynn]

58. Clinton has Ross Perot to thank for winning...

..considering the he didn't even manage to sercure a popular majority of the vote, perots 12% or whatever it was largely conservative voters, and it more than made of the difference in the victory margin. Clinton's victory was not exactly "descive" and two years later the people were so "on board" with Clinton that they voted in one of the most conservative congresses in history. He won a second term thanks to two things: a) the tech bubble b) the dorkiest, goofball of a republican candidate ever nominated for president.

Aside from that, as I said - I disagree with his politics. And I don't mean that generically. I disagree with his signing DOMA, I disagree with his stance on NAFTA and "free" trade. I disagree with his deregulation of telecommunications. I disagree with his wellfare "reform." I disagree with his economic packages of excessively (note the word excessively)corporation driven legislation. I disagreed with his don't ask/don't tell cop-out. That's to name a few.

[CarbonDate]

62. Perot took 19% of the vote....

...and I maintain that he took as many votes away from Clinton as he did from Bush. People wanted a change; some who wanted change voted for Perot, the rest voted for Clinton.

[Selwynn]

66. You can maintain that all you want but it just aint so.

In fact, google it.

You'll get instant access to plenty of pretty credible information showing that exit polls indicated the vast majority of Perot voters identified themeslves as conservative or republican, not Democrat. What's more living during that time as I did I never met a single demoacrtic voter voting for Perot. I met many many republican voters who vote for Perot.

[Hippo_Tron]

90. There's also credible evidence that says otherwise...

Not to mention that many Republicans voters were angry with Bush for going back on his "read my lips no new taxes" promise. I highly doubt that Bush would've won without Perot in the race.

[Spangle]

94. I DID

And I've been registered Democrat since I first registered to vote.

I can name a few others as well.

In 96' I didn't get to vote. It's been a long family joke around here about me not voting for Clinton. <grin>

[American Tragedy]

108. Actually, my hardcore Democrat parents were gonna vote for Perot

until Clinton finally chose to confront the deficit and unbridled spending. I maintain that we are indebted to Ross Perot for forcing the major parties to acknowledge it, before our country fell into crisis.

Perot really illustrated the situation very effectively with those infamous graphs, and actually explained things on a concrete, personal level rather than presume that all Americans have a basic understanding of macroeconomics. Yesterday I was reading FDR's radio addresses in the library archives, and found that he did much the same thing when describing the bank crisis and telling Americans what they needed to do. It was very clear and easy to follow.

I have always wondered why contemporary Democrats have not really emulated his technique.

[WoodrowFan]

113. I did and I found this..

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

Political scientists and practioners have vigorously debated the role of Ross Perot in Clinton’s victory. Exit polls showed that Perot’s voters apparently split their preferences between Clinton and Bush nearly equally, although approximately a third of them likely would not have voted without him on the ballot. Yet the very fact of the Perot candidacy might have changed the nature of which major party candidate Perot supporters were likely to support. Furthermore, the Perot vote didn't split equally in every state. Perot’s impact in particular states was clear – and almost certain to have been to the detriment of George Bush. In the 1976 presidential race, for example, another weakened Republican incumbent, Gerald Ford, nearly came back to defeat another Democratic governor of a southern state. Without Perot, it seems likely that the 1992 race would also have been closer.



that matches what I remember at the time, Perot made it closer, but Clinton would have won nonetheless.

[Hippo_Tron]

68. Perot is not the cause of Clinton winning

Perot was a middle of the road third party candidate who appealed to those who were fed up with Washington. Basically, Perot voters wanted change, therefore I doubt that many of them would've voted for George Bush. Most likely they would've voted for Clinton or stayed home.

But I agree with you on a lot of Clinton's policies. He ran such a great campaign in '92 and wound up letting a lot of people down once he got into office.

I don't think that his presidency was a complete failure as he did manage to create a stable economy and balance the budget, no small accomplishment, but nonetheless, his failure to enact a real progressive agenda is disappointing considering that he was such a brilliant and charismatic figure.

And with regards to the GOP winning congress in 1994, It was largely the effect of southerners starting to vote for Republicans on the state/local level. Remember that Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, one of the most right wing members of the senate, was a Democrat until he switched parties in 1994 (I guess you could call him the Zell Miller of the day). Democratic majorities were already thin after the 1992 election, which is why the healthcare bill never passed.

[ArkDem]

78. Re-read #66

[Lenape85]

80. Exactly, my democratic leaning mom voted for Perot

And according to this website, Perot probably was to the left of Clinton even.

http://www.issues2000.org/Ross_Perot.htm

You also have to realize that Clinton's approval ratings were mostly high.

[ArkDem]

83. .

:eyes:

[rfrrfrrfr]

95. 1994 Republican winning Congress

Was the first payoff from their infiltration and takeover of the publics media. They republicans didn't get where they are today overnight. They have spent the best part of the last 20+ years putting into place their highly efficient spin machine and gaining control over the public main stream media.

1994 was the first big payoff for them from those efforts and since then they have only become more entrenched and profficient at what they do.

Any story not favorable to them is nothing more than a blip on the radar to be quickly replaced with their spin or talking points.

If you look at people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Novak and Coulter you can see it is almost impossible for them to open their mouths without lying. Lying is habitual for them and they are there to help reinforce the cocoon of ignorance most people have in place around them to keep them from confronting the very uncomfortable hypocracy that is the current Republican Party.

Was Clinton a super Great president no. He was a good President and magnitudes of order better the Bush and co. He made some bad choices and advanced some policies that not all of us agreed with, but I don't know of any politcian that I agree with on every single issue out there. I would glady take 20 years of clinton even with some of the bad policy choices than even 1 day of Bush.

The Democrats are a diverse party and that is one of the things that seperates us from the republicans. We generally tolerate dissenting points of view, we regularly question our world views and change them as circumstances dictate. Thats part in parcel of being a liberal and it makes us look indecisive and wishy washy sometimes especially in comparison to the conservitates who are for the most part in lock step and if you aren't it is made clear to you where the exit is.

I can stand and proudly say Clinton was my President even though I didn't always aggree with him. Bush is a criminal who belongs in jail for the crimes he has committed against this country and the rest of the world as well.

[lancdem]

119. It's hard to pass a progressive agenda when Congress

and the Senate are controlled by the GOP. As president, I think Clinton did as well as he could given the hand he was dealt. His economic and fiscal accomplishments were phenomenal.

[saracat]

87. Finally !Someone who gets it right! Thank you

[d_b]

60. That's awesome

[bamacrat]

61. Damn I miss him.

[donco6]

63. So, where was the part about . . .

"as the dissident hurled epithets at the beloved leader, numerous Secret Service agents wrestled the interloper to the ground. His whereabouts are at this point, unknown."

Guess that only works with Shrub, huh?

[Raenelle]

67. Dems standing up for themselves should be commonplace,

not a cause for joy. But there it is. Go, Bill.

[immoderate]

69. Didn't agree with all his policies, but...

It was good the think of the President as being one smart cookie.

--IMM

[lakelly]

70. Bill Clinton, You Rock.

Bill is a rock star. Okay, I know what you're thinking, but he's a skirt chasing, blow job receiving, perjuring perv.
Well I don't know about you but I miss the days when all we worried about was did he or didn't he. Also, he has apologized to the nation for his mistakes (More than I can say for another US President that we all know and, er, never mind)
Yes I'll take cigar over Iraqi wars any day. Here's to you Bill Clinton
:toast:

[Sparkle]

74. Bill Clinton is no perjuring perv.

[Freebird12004]

79. Yea Bill

He always has been and still is 'the man of my dreams'.... good thing I never demanded perfection, just excellence.

[VaYallaDawg]

82. Notice how militaristic the RW is becoming!!

No longer referring to the "President" -- only the "Commander in Chief." Gawd. Do they really want to be "commanded" that much???

[OldLeftieLawyer]

84. Oh, they're all subs - they really are

A colleague of mine who used to represent a lot of prostitutes told me that the Republican clients were always the ones who either wanted to be spanked, whipped, or punished.

Totally repressed, anal-retentive, raging sex maniacs.

[RubyCat]

85. Bill Clinton is the best!

He did a great job. All the indicators of the nation's health were up during his presidency. Compare that with how things are today. The numbers are INESCAPABLE.

For every faith-based, reality-challenged con out there attacking him, there will be a hundred Democrats standing up to defend him.

[marc_the_dem]

103. some republicans too

we should satrt a movement to abolish the 22nd amendment...

[Smirking_Chimp]

86. * is the REAL embarrasment!!!

[agincourt]

93. Let's see here,

Having a major terrorist attack and letting the major terrorist get away is not an embarrassment? Sitting in a schoolroom and reading to children,during a terrorist attack, is not an embarrassment?. Attacking a country because they tried to "kill my dad", is not an embarrassment? Having your fly open in front of the Japanese prime minister, is not an embarrassment? Lying about tons of VX gas and weaseling it on the CIA director is not an embarrassment? Al Ghaurib is not an embarrassment? The Fuckhead should be strapped to a stroller himself.

[LibDemAlways]

96. If I were Clinton, my comeback

would have been, "I'm sorry, sir. You seem to have me confused with George Bush," and left it at that.

[marc_the_dem]

101. perfect comback

IMO

[bluestateboomer]

97. This country is soooo hung up about sex.

Sexuality is one of the strongest human drives, but you'd think after millions of years we could evolve past the stupidity we see every time one of us takes a little physical pleasure. Bill may have had to deal with personal feelings of hurt he caused, but we as humans should be able to be rational with our close relationships. These personal emotional bumps in the road pale in comparison to the violence, dishonesty and corruption we have now from the disaster that occupies the presidency.:hug:

[Vogon_Glory]

99. The Big Dog, Nekkid Out In Public

So there was Bill Clinton in Central Park, out in public, fully clothed with his trousers buttoned, yet without scowling censors or a Potemkin audience.

[Laurab]

104. Clinton looks like a saint compared to *

All through the impeachment hearings, I remember feeling like "this is none of my business - WHY is it happening"? I was not at all political at the time, but I certainly enjoyed the peace and relative prosperity throughout the Clinton years. He has always seemed to be a man who cares, and a man who listens. Certainly a man who knew what was really going on in the world. I think history will be much kinder to him than many on this board are. It took * to make me care about politics. I don't imagine he'll EVER be able to walk around like that, amongst the people, without fear. And for good reason. I think * will have to have massive security around him for as long as he lives. He'll never be able to return to any semblance of a normal life after all of the death and destruction he is responsible for. What a shock the real world is going to be for him.

[Vogon_Glory]

107. My Belief, Too

I believe that you're right. Gee Dubya is never going to be able to mix with ordinary folks without stares, ugly looks, and probably at least one verbal altercation each time he's outside his front door.

My religious sect teaches that we build our own hells. I had confirmation classes in my previous denomination, so I still have my doubts. But I do believe that when we dwell in our own hells, we supply parts and labor.

Gee Dubya certainly has provided parts and labor for his.

[InvisibleTouch]

106. Good for you, Bill!

I'm just a "me too" at this point in the thread, but I have to say it. I still love him. :)

[NicRic]

109. Simply the best !

President Bill Clinton ,is the best President I've had the honnor to vote for twice and feel proud of who's leading our country. His private sexual indulgance ,is just that PRIVATE. I just dont understand people that cant see what a good hearted person this man is ,and continue to spew their hate for him ,while acting as if they have some higher moral standards then those who support wholesale bombing of another country, torture ,and the spread of hate towards the U.S. thru out the world. Anyone that thinks we are better off with the current idiot in office loses all credabilty with me ,as being able to be fair and honest ,when it comes to who's a better leader ! Iam really confused that after the great job Clinton did for 8 years ,we are now stuck with this repuk B/S. Something stinks ,and the smell is getting worst and worst !

[lonestarnot]

111. Well said Mr. President!

I admire your spirit! You are simply the best! It feels good to say Mr. President and finally I have an opportunity!

[ally_sc]

116. Bill rocks!!

It is good he stood up to the jerk in Central Park! Probably some rightwing nut job that wanted attention like they often do.

[President Kerry]

123. Thank you Pres. Clinton

for all you've done.. You've NOT ONE THING to apologize to ANYBODY about, repubs or dems. We need you and we miss you.

[partisan to truth]

125. I love Bill Clinton... going to sleep now

and dreaming of a time when we had a truly presidential commander in chief...

[fujiyama]

126. At least

when you had him in office when I visited my relatives abroad they'd tease Americans lightheartedly but at the same time they had some respect. They had respect for our nation's leader. They admired his intellect and they had some admiration for this country.

I don't think that exists any longer. I can find a bunch of policies I didn't agree with Clinton on but I cant see the comparison between Bush and Clinton...

[Ganja Ninja]

127. The gross double standard these RW's apply between

Clinton and Bush is ridiculous. Clinton is head and shoulders and waist and knees over Bush by any objective observation.

Bush is only great in the eyes of people that see everything different than the rest of the world. They live in a reality where the Clinton's are evil, Saddam was caught red handed with nukes and Iraq is a friendly and grateful country where things get better every day.

They are obsessed with being right even when reality is egging their faces every day. They are mentally disturbed people and I wish there was some way to snap them out of it.