Who is SO dumb that they believe Democrats will take their guns away?

[blm]

Hmmmm....maybe that would be a good bumperstick to counter those nuts who have stickers that say:

Don't let John Kerry Gore your guns


What morons. They have to be the the most naive sheep of all. No Democratic nominee has ever advocated for legal guns to be taken away.

Wonder how they feel about Bush's idea of screening citizens for mental health? That way only BushInc can decide who will get to keep their guns.

[JohnKleeb]

1. I know, right

[On the Road]

2. Who? Maybe Gun Owners in San Francisco

[Undercover Owl]

27. no

A friend of mine in San Francisco has a huge gun collection, with all kinds of nasty, possibly-illegal-looking guns. (I don't know, but they sure look scary)

He voted Kerry.

[Romulus]

46. guess you missed this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x95951

"San Francisco Supervisors Propose (Hand)Gun Ban"

"SAN FRANCISCO - City residents will vote next year on a proposed weapons ban that would deny handguns to everyone except law enforcement officers, members of the military and security guards."

[InvisibleBallots]

30. or New York City?

Washington DC? Anywhere there is a large number of black people, there seems to be very strict gun control, if not an outright ban. I wonder why that is?

[laheina]

41. Gun ban?

Where? Secondly, California has some of the toughest--if not *the* toughest--gun laws in the nation. Are you saying that it is because we have a large African American population? That doesn't seem to follow.

[tk2kewl]

3. probably the same kind of people as these two...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2224245

[Worst Username Ever]

4. 51% of America n/t

[BiggJawn]

12. I was going to say that.

How do you identify one of these people? Easy. just wait until they preface something with the words "Rush Said..."

[Im_Your_Huckleberry]

14. yup.

[No Mandate Here.]

5. That is a question one does not ask

in South Central PA. I would wager that there are far more guns than people here. Almost all of the people are sort of sane, though.

The main part of deer hunting season ended a few days ago, and suddenly, every one isn't fluorescent orange anymore.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

6. I'd feel really safe saying 1/2 of the population of Texas.

It was the number one reason I ran across why people who disagreed with * on so many issues still voted for him. Many people who could not bring themselves to vote for him have since told me they just did not vote at all.

They seem to think if the NRA said it, it's got to be true. :eyes:

[forgethell]

7. Now I hate to rain on your parade, but

No Democratic nominee has ever advocated for legal guns to be taken away. isn't the problem. what they are afraid of it that the guns will become illegal and then taken away.

some Deomcrats do not have a good record in this regard; but then again, neither do some Republicans.

[InvisibleBallots]

35. actually, it's exactly this sort of rhetoric

that makes gun-lovers suspicious of Democrats. There have been three rounds of gun control that made formerly legal guns illegal (one under Reagan, one under Bush Sr. I think) - and the response from advocates is exactly this - "we won't take any legal guns away".

People are not this stupid, and it insults them when you use this kind of lines on them. Dean had it right about guns, most Democrats and liberals in general agree with him I think.

[wysi]

8. My uncle, for one.

Reddest neck ever.

[nannah]

9. totalitarian regimes disarm their subjects

you are right that blocking the right to bear arms is more likely to be done by the facist regime that holds the country in their power now. Folks with progressive mindsets have trouble wrapping their minds around the idea of guns and the importance of individual citizens retaining the right to arm themselves.

[Retired AF Dem]

10. Both party's are a threat to guns

As the old saying goes the worst enemies of guns is politicians and rust.

[gizmo1979]

11. my inlaws,my boss,any number of UAW members

I scream at them that the Nra has been crying that as long as I've been alive.I've even offered to take there guns if gov.tries to take them away and fight to the death for them but the NRA is gospel to the gun wackos.

[maxsolomon]

13. i'm planning to take away your well-regulated militias

what do you mean 'what well-regulated militia?'?


exactly.

[leans2left]

15. Both parties want gun control.

Lots of politicians from both sides would take away legal guns if they could. I happen to own and enjoy shooting assault weapons but they are the number one target. I voted for Kerry but his stance on gun issues frankly scarred the hell out of me. He voted against the gun owners every time he ever voted on a gun issue.

[karlrschneider]

16. If you voted for Kerry, I'm the fucking King of Spain.

...

[hollowdweller]

17. Hey King, I own semi automatics and I voted for Kerry precisely because

I didn't buy the Republican propaganda. But a hell of a lot of Democrats do vote on the issue. The gun thing is why so many states are red now that used to be blue. The reason so many people bring it up here is they know it is screwing us.

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[robre]

24. And what if he didn't vote for kerry?

Also, what kind of guns are they?

[leans2left]

19. Well King

It is obvious you are anti-gun and that is one of the reasons we lost the election.

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[Daybreaker]

18. Gun Control

I'm personally not in favor of too much gun control. My understanding is that the Democratic Party is somewhat more in favor of gun control, or at least stricter gun control, than I would prefer.

I find that it doesn't keep me up at night when I vote Democrat, though. If we get good public education and health care and we only send troops into fights that need to be fought and will be fought the right way, I'm willing to compromise on the gun control issue.

I do not think that Democrats want to take away guns to the point that Republicans say they are. My understanding is that the Democratic Party in general would like to ban assault rifles, which even Republicans seem to want to get rid of.

[karlrschneider]

22. I have owned and shot guns for 55 years. I am in favor of REASONABLE

gun control. As I mentioned in another post, I have "assault-type" guns, but it wouldn't bother me much if registration, demonstrated ability requirements or some restrictions were (re)placed on them. And I am not really comfortable with wide-open ownership of handguns, either.
I've run into far too many nutballs with pistols, beginning with the time I spent as a cop working my way through college.

[leans2left]

23. My problem with reasonable gun control is

that it dont seem to stop there. I also own one registered machine gun. As a law abiding citizen I feel that should be my right if I enjoy this type of shooting. But politicians from both sides would love an outright ban on machine gun ownership.

[laheina]

40. That's a slippery slope argument.

In other words, it isn't logical to base action of a fear of a hypothetical course of action that may, or may not, happen. Especially, when there is little or no evidence to support it.

Voting on *one* issue is irresponsible enough, but voting on a fear of what might happen is downright stupid. It's the fear mongering folks!

[jarab]

47. Welcome !!

...O...

[Tsiyu]

25. There's a sticker floating around here

"I'm a Christian, I own a gun and I'm a Democrat."

Personally, I'm a Democrat and I'll take your gun. But only if you don't want it.

[chuckrocks]

26. great question

one i have asked my freep neighbor. what makes you so much more insecure about gun rights under kerry than clinton? kerry hunts, kerry shoots, kerry shot and was shot at. he knows the neccessity of weopons for defense. clinton decided not to fight, did not want to shoot. my question, did bill take your guns away? why would you then think that a pacifist like clinton would leave your rights alone for 8 years, so a moderate(flame away) like kerry would take them? its a non-issue.

[YankeeFan]

28. So Why Did Kerry Vote to Ban

The very shotgun he was given as a present?

This has been brought up so many times in the past…
It has been noted that when he went goose hunting on that Photo-Op that he wasn’t using the shotgun he was given as a gift in West Virginia.
He voted for the “Assault Weapons” ban renewal back in March.
He co-sponsored a bill that would have outlawed the very ammunition he said he hunted with.

And as for other Democrats…

A Rep. David P. Linsky, D-Natick introduced several bills Monday, December 6. Among them, he wants to “close a loophole in the (Massachusetts) Assault Weapons ban”, even though machine guns for civilians ended in 1986, and that other “Assault Weapons” are purely cosmetic. Establish a “a ballistic fingerprinting database”, even though such a thing is not realistic. California gave up on something like that a couple of years ago because it wasn’t feasible.. “Tighten up handgun licensing laws”, even though they are already some of the strictest in the nation. Remember, the 9-11 hijackers boarded some of their planes in Boston. They had no firearms whatsoever.

San Francisco wants to ban all handguns except to law enforcement officers, members of the military and security guards. Another Washington DC in other words. The gun ban in DC doesn’t work, and it has never worked. To quote the AP story, “If passed next November, residents would have 90 days to give up firearms they keep in their homes or businesses”. Since when do crooks give up their firearms?

And California Democrats banned further ownership of .50 BMG firearms even though they have been in only ONE crime in its entire history. And by the way, how much crime did the Robert Roos bill stop anyway>

Gun Control keeps hurting Democrats because of these and many other laws passed or introduced in the past.

And I almost forgot, mainly because of an E-Mail I got while proofreading this, New Jersey Democrats passed a law regulating firearms that so far have only been seen in James Bond Movies. Another Jersey Democrat, according to the E-Mail, introduced a bill that that would have banned all firearms in New Jersey, including the police. It didn’t say who it was.
I wish it did.

[chuckrocks]

36. DUDE

if i wasn't so drunk, i might say you answered you're own question. love it if you could tell me how john would remove you from you weapon

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[blm]

48. The point is that Kerry would not make guns illegal. No nominee has ever

advocated for that position, but the GOP and the NRA like to promote that as fact.

Would you like to address the REAL point? Are they lying when they say that first Gore and then Kerry would take their guns away?

[AmandaRuth]

29. i live in a rural area

it is unbelievable how many people think that the dems want to take their guns, they also believe that the dems want to eliminate private pet ownership (don't ask) and take away all your private property rights. Thats what 20 years of 24/7 non stop hate radio does to ya.

[Fir]

42. propaganda at its best

The evil radio talk shows have done a good job of turning otherwise reasonable minds into hard core bigots by using deception and lies to convince the public that there are issues where liberals are unreasonable.

Any number of subjects have been turned on their heads just like this.

That there is no truth to so much of their assertions is beside the point for the ones that drink all that cool-aid.

[fujiyama]

31. Before the election

I was talkin to a friend of mine. He was saying he wouldn't vote because Bush is a moron and Kerry would take away his guns.

I argued that even IF Kerry wanted to take away guns from people, he couldn't. It just wouldn't happen. Congress wouldn't allow it.

He wouldn't budge. Kinda frustrating. You know the weirdest thing is that he voted for Gore?

[JohnKleeb]

49. my aunt is the same case but voted for Gore but not for Kerry and even

for Bush because of abortion, strange eh? My grandmother was so upset with her sister about this, she thinks that her niece who my mom personally has problems with talked her in to it.

[TWiley]

32. The right to free speech is far more important than

the right to bear arms.

If the 2nd amendment were ever used for its intended purpose, there would be a bloody civil war raging between bushwad and the Americans.
Like Iraq or Afghanistan, bushwad would use military action to remove guns from its citizens. The right to bear arms would bear directly upon the removal of arms.

With irony I would like to point out that the NRA's pet argument for guns is that gun ownership makes the world safer. A crime deterrent they say. Maybe we should give everyone a gun in Iraq instead of trying to disarm them. Or arm every schoolchild to make schools safer. Please excuse the rant, now back to the point.

The right to free speech is the most effective instrument we have to avoid such a disaster. Bushwad's current war on the media is a much more pressing matter. If the truth had come out, instead of lies, then it would have been bye bye bushwad. The more control bushwad imposes upon the media, the greater the likelihood of civil unrest.

The major problem to switching attention from the 2nd amendment to the 1st amendment is church. Support for the 2nd comes from church. Opposition to the 1st amendment comes from church.

Most church folks around these parts posess an arsenal. One guy I work with tried to save my soul. When that failed, he offered to show me his huge gun collection and to go shooting with him. He wants to seem my reaction to his 50 caliber machine gun.

Support for the 2nd comes from church. Opposition to the 1st amendment comes from church.

The answer is there somewhere. The churchies need to be preaching peace and free speech from the pulpit for a change.

[RebelOne]

33. There are a lot of dumb intelligent people who think so.

I work for an outdoors publication. All the editors are hunters and they all, except for a couple, voted for Bush because they thought they would lose their guns if Kerry got in.

[Undercover Owl]

34. What about terrorists?

I have no strong feelings on the gun issue either way, although I lean towards tighter gun control.

Amid this age of hysteria over terrorism (largely thanks to the * administration), does anyone find it odd that a once-banned, semi-automatic weapon is now legal? Do any of the terror-inflaters consider that these weapons may be used by terrorists?

Our civil liberties are being threatened due to terrorism (that's the excuse, anyway), but we re-legalize a semi automatic without even considering terrorism. The logic escapes me. Can anyone edify me?

[davepc]

38. Why would terrorists go through the hassle and problems

of buying semi-automatic rifles through legal channels in the United States when they could simply (yes, SIMPLY) smuggle fully automatic weapons over the border (or even easier, purchase fully automatic weapons already here on the black market).

[chuckrocks]

39. screw it alll

piss. piss a good shit cause who gives a shit? not us biatch!! better call me when yu're done.
WORD

[American Tragedy]

43. I'm against teflon bullets and the like, for obvious reasons

but otherwise I believe gun control is strictly a state and local issue. It shouldn't even be enforced by the federal government in the first place.

That position also allows Democrats to effectively remove the question from presidential elections; indeed, we should have relegated most of the wedge issues like that long ago.

[DireStrike]

50. Guns from Utah get sold to gangs in NYC and LA

That's the only problem I have with making it a state issue.

[cattleman22]

44. People who pay attention to political issues know that

1) A Democratic controlled city (DC) has banned handguns

2) A Democratic controlled city (SF) is attempting to ban handguns

3) Prominent Congressional Democrats have opined that they would like to ban private ownership of all guns.

4) Kerry has only voted to restrict gun rights

[JHB]

45. Because it happens, and the activists on the subject mostly lean Dem?

Example: In 1967, New York City required residents to register rifles and shotguns. Reasonable, right? But in 1991, it was pushed farther and shotguns and semi-automatic rifles were banned outright. And the registration system set up previously was used to check up on the owners and enforce the ban.

And as long as gun control (or regulation, if you prefer) advocates argue standardizing gun laws along the lines of more restrictive jurisdictions while dismissing such instances (and pretending gun owners are just a bunch of crazy people or idiots for being suspicious of repeats), the Republicans will reap the benefit of that propaganda.