Draft only from red states

[indigobusiness]

Sound fair? Seems only fair to me. This should've been a campaign topic.

The question is not will there be a draft, but will they be able to roll it out before the country goes financially bankrupt. Moral bankruptcy appears to have been achieved.

[proudbluestater]

1. Most Definitely!

And take the red voters within the red states first!!

[Qanisqineq]

2. NOT fair

because there are plenty of people in red states that voted for Kerry
AND
there are plenty of people in blue states that voted for Bush.

[indigobusiness]

5. Of course.

The whole red/blue state thing is ridiculous, and seems to be being used to further divide us. Yet, putting the draft in this perspective places the responsibilty where it belongs for our misleadership.

[Pattib]

27. Disagree. I'm in Florida and I voted for Kerry, as did my son

who is 19. He even worked locally for Kerry. Why should he suffer? Btw, I told my kids that since my husband spent 23 yrs. in the Navy and I spent 8 yrs., we have done our time for this family. For a while anyways.

[MSgtAF]

3. No draft soon (I think)

I still don't see a draft in the near future. The Air Force is still 20,000 + over authorized end strength numbers. They have not given out a monthly "goal" or quota to recruiters since April. Latest estimates say Air Force recruiters won't see a goal until FY06. The Navy is also not having any trouble making it's quota. It's the Army (AD, Guard, and Reserves) that are suffering. There are many ways to alleviate this shortage before resorting to a draft. Raising initial enlistment bonuses, transferring some traditional Army jobs to the Air Force (this has already started with convoy duties), offering Army enlistments to troops forced out of AF and Navy because of over manning, and privatizing more base level support positions. No one I have ever spoken to on active duty wants to see a draft.

[indigobusiness]

6. Tell that to the overextended, and overextended again, troops.

Nobody WANTS to see a draft. Nothing seems to stand in the way of the Bush "vision". He has capital, and he plans on spending it.

[NMDemDist2]

11. from your mouth to Rummy's ear, but I feel bad for the "grunts" who

are pulling so much back to back duty

thanks for your service and I hope you are right

[Kingshakabobo]

21. Where did this "quote" come from

This is like the fifth time I have seen this paragraph on DU with no quote or link????

[UTDemocrat8204]

30. I still don't see a draft

for another year or two. But of course anything could change and we know how Bush loves to *gasps* flipflop on things. Plus I think they're doing okay now calling up people.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi UTDemocrat8204!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[eleonora]

4. there are no red states

more like red rural areas and blue urban areas....

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[indigobusiness]

8. You end a post like that by saying "grow up"?

What, are you in first grade? If you believe the things you are saying, I have real sympathy for you. You are not only misinformed, but misguided.

[salinen]

9. hey indigo

the putz used the term "slick willy" Gee, I wonder which Limbaugh he listens to?

[indigobusiness]

10. No mystery

to that guy.



RIP...Tombstoned on his first post.

[burn the bush]

12. hey! I'm in a red state.

you guys always slam red states and talk about blue states seperating from red states but don't forget that half of the country is being held hostage in a red state. Don't plan anything that leaves us behind. Draft only republicans if you want but there is still a lot of blue in those red states.

[indigobusiness]

13. See post #5...

and untwist your knickers.

[The Flaming Red Head]

14. So you think my son should die because we live in a red state?

Whatever

[The Flaming Red Head]

15. He sleeping on a couch right now in a red state and he's 17

you guys are mean to even say this.

[indigobusiness]

16. This is rhetorical, not literal.

You would've realized that if you'd read through the thread.

Who would take this as a serious suggestion?

Mean? Sheesh...

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. The sick irony here is that most of the volunteer military......

....is from red states. I can't recall too many guys I've met from Ft Lewis who didn't have southern accents.

And probably the main reason most of them sign up is because it's their only shot at a job and/or education, thanks to what Junior has done to the economy.

Another case of the brainwashed Busheep voting their noses off to spite their face.

[indigobusiness]

20. I wish they'd take $1billion of their blood money

and put it into the Peace Corps.

[City Lights]

18. No. Please don't draft my kids, I didn't vote for these

assholes. Draft only republicans. There are supposedly more of them than us, so _chimpy should have all the bodies he needs for his wars, and all from people who support his insane policies to boot. Why would he want my kids anyway? He hates dissenters. Let his worshipers fight his battles. Only from my cold dead hands will he take my children. Have I mentioned lately how much I hate this "man?"

[indigobusiness]

19. Have you considered Canada?

I hear it's lovely in the springtime.

Seriously, I truly feel for those in your position. Imagine having a kid in Iraq"

[City Lights]

22. Yes, we have.

I know the process takes around a year. We haven't decided what we're going to do yet. I'm thinking of getting the paperwork going though, just in case. My 12-year-old wants to move to Europe.

I cannot imagine having a child in Iraq. I would be a basket case. :scared:

[indigobusiness]

23. I'm apoplectic over it, and don't even have a kid over there.

But, I do have a dear cousin in the fray. At least he's a chaplain, and doesn't carry a gun.

[City Lights]

24. I hope your cousin returns home safely.

How long will he be there, and how often do you hear from him?

[indigobusiness]

25. They are promised to return in March...whatever Army promises are worth

A week ago we exchanged a few emails...that's been it.

[City Lights]

26. Army promises are about as reliable as chimpy promises.

Is he able to be frank with you in his emails, or is he limited to on-the-surface stuff?

[indigobusiness]

28. It was mostly banter. I did some of my mental gymnastics

to amuse him...mostly.

He attached his recent sermon, which held the thrust of how he felt on a deeper level. Lots of talk of swords into plow shares, blessed are the peacemakers, etc.

[City Lights]

32. I'd love to listen to him for a few hours after he returns.

It's good you are able to give him a break from the horror he is surrounded by. I'm sure he appreciates what you are doing. :thumbsup:

[indigobusiness]

33. He's a fascinating guy.

One of the finest people I've ever met. Gentle and strong in equal measure. Wise but not overt -- he listens more than talks, except when stotytelling or preaching in church (which I've never seen, but I hear he's terrific).

I've known him since he and his twin orangeheaded bro were born. Watched him grow. Went to his side when his mother was murdered. Watched him rodeo (he rode saddle-broncs for awhile). Now, I just hope to see him come home safely.

I look forward to and dread his stories, both.

[City Lights]

35. He sounds like a wonderful person.

You are fortunate to know him.

"Went to his side when his mother was murdered." How horrible for both of you. :-(

"Now, I just hope to see him come home safely." Keep the faith, man. ;-)

"I look forward to and dread his stories, both." I know exactly what you mean, but I'd want to hear them anyway, even if they left me feeling sick. For some people, telling the dreaded part is therapeutic. Whether that's the case with him or not, I still think it's important for him to share them.

[indigobusiness]

38. Yeah, I know.

Thanks for listening.

[City Lights]

40. My pleasure.

;-)

My ears are always open. :-)

[UTDemocrat8204]

29. I don't think so

Because I'm in a red state but a democrat and my brother is very anti-Bush and we both voted Kerry.

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[indigobusiness]

36. In your misguided raving,

you appear to have missed the nature and spirit of this thread.

I live in a red state, but am no redneck.

[Yuugal]

41. nope, this blue-stater

is going to sit back and watch as Darwin is proved right again and most of the "poor, stupid, toothless cousin-fuckers in the red states" run off to Iraq to die. "The power of my superior brain" tells me I don't have much power because I'm in the minority and that when enough of the majority's kids come home in a body bag things will change and not until then.

Every person has the option to say, "I'm not going". If they don't use that option its certainly not my fault when they die.

[indigobusiness]

43. When they say "I refuse to kill",

I, for one, will respect them.

[tx_dem41]

42. At least we red-staters....can sense "IRONY" when its thrust

upon us....and without a single tooth in our heads!

[ClearMessage]

37. Sounds good to me...

republicans say: "why should we pay higher taxes just because the liberals want to pay high taxes. if they want to, THEY can pay high taxes", and other nonsense like that.

Well, we can say "why should we go or send our kids to a war we don't support"?

[neuvocat]

39. California went red twice for Reagan.

If the state were to go to republicans then by that logic all the liberals out here would be drafted too.

[indigobusiness]

44. Reagan was a turncoat Democrat.

He confounded a lot of people.

[jazzjunkysue]

45. Amen.

[Cuban_Liberal]

46. Locking.

This post has degenerated into a red state/blue state flame fest.