9/5 Bill Maher Thread: Clark and Fraken On!!!

[Cush]

[Cush]

1. lol

after the game Bush came on the jumbo screen and said: Are you ready for some football? He got so excited that he spiked his dog

The UN says the need more to consider if they should help clean up our mess. He also asked if the Salvation Army to pick up Afghanistan if we drag to the curb

[Walt Starr]

2. Keep updating

My wife is sitting through The Two Towers (yet again) so I have to wait for the rerun in three hours or not even see it.

[Must_B_Free]

3. She's watching both towers at once?

oh, well, I guess she has two eyes, right?

</nonsense>

[Cha]

5. She likes that movie, eh?

I saw it on August 18 outside on a huge screen projected on the side of a house!

The music was so loud I couldn't understand what all they were saying so I'm going to rent it! :-)

[MoonAndSun]

8. I bet she's in love with Aragorn, right?? I know I am, I could

watch Viggo all night long, sigh!:loveya:

but Legolas is a hottie, too!!!

[Snoopy2]

57. The other times its on regular HBO are

Monday, 9/8 1:30 AM
Tuesday, 9/9 11:30 PM
Wednesday, 9/10 11:00 PM

[Cush]

4. The General is on, in studio

lots of applause.

Clark: This generation grew up trusting the government, they didn't live through Watergate, so they are ones asking the questions. Where was the threat

[kanrok]

6. Standing "O"

for Gen. Clark.

[Cush]

7. Bait N Switch Tactic

We had Osama, but then we decided to go after those old guys we hated

Lol, the Bush Doll!

Clark: That doll will remind us of the premature celebration. There was no Phase 4

Bill: Why were the Efficient Republicans the ones to go "Dude, we forgot the post war phase"

Clark: The civilian leaders haven't studied military history. They were obsessed by the weapons

Bill: Yeah, they're pro military, but so many of them haven't served like....holds up the doll

[Cornus]

11. Keep Postin'

I don't have HBO and just plan on refreshing this window throughout the program, so keep us up to date. TIA

[robbedvoter]

16. Clark on the doll: "Very nice uniform. Lots of people wore

it with honor"
Maher made some AWOL jokes afterwards.

[Zuni]

72. CHECKMATE

on the Neo-Cons by a man who knows military affairs.

In ANY debate, Clark would rip the Bush team a new one on National Security and military matters.

Great Job Wes!!!!

[Trajan]

81. Damn ....

Clark CORRECTLY identifies Neocon war obsessions as penis envy ...

Chuckles ...... LOVE dem guns !! ....

I do TRULY respect Clark: .... let the flamers have their whack at him: I greatly doubt they can tarnish such a human being with lame platitudes ...

[Cush]

9. bill is letting him speak

Why did the right hijack that word? Liberal? You have the credentials to say it, you're a democrat, and a proud one


Clark: Absolutely. We live in a liberal democracy

Bills mom wants Clark to run! She's 84 and is a vet (nurse in ww2)

[MoonAndSun]

12. Way to go Wesley, we have to be proud to be called liberal

again and not run away from it. Clark can do that with authority.

[Walt Starr]

15. If he throws his hat in the ring

I'm off the Dean kick and on board with the General!

[robbedvoter]

18. My guy who had the "General" hang up heard him and said:

"He's a shoe-in" (If they don't steal it")

[OKNancy]

22. I hope everyone on the fence about Clark can watch this

In his expanded comments about being liberal and liberalism, he talks about how our founding fathers were men of the Enlightenment. He said --Sure they had their religion, but they didn't believe some divine being struck you and gave you wisdom, they were men of reason. He then said they believed in civilized discussion and debate.

He said a lot more too, but it was all so heady, I was about to faint. If anyone doubts he is a Progressive, then they are just deaf.

[Kanola]

63. I think Clark should run!

I have been a Dean supporter but will definitley be looking at Clark. My husband who is not a political junkie stated "this guy is going to run". My hubby is pretty intuitive about these things and I agree, I think Clark will run. He is talking the talk.

[Chomskyite]

100. Damn!

For me it would be torture to have to make up my mind between Clark and Dean. Nearly everything I read about both impresses me tremendously. I'd have to flip a coin, I swear to god.

[JanMichael]

42. What?!

I'm still totally undecided, what made you willing to switch?

What did Clark say that got you so revved up?

[Walt Starr]

48. He admitted he is liberal

He could turn the word "liberal" into a good thing again during this campaign.

[sangha]

77. Is that all it takes these days?

I remember when we had a choice of liberals.

[Jim Sagle]

60. Not me. I'm stickin', as Carville would say.

[dolstein]

80. DAMMIT!! DAMMIT!! DAMMIT!!

Sorry Walt but you CAN'T support Wes Clark. The thought of the two of us backing the same candidate sends shivers up my spine.

[Kahuna]

119. HUH? Et tu, Dolstein?!?

:bounce:

I agree it's scary that Walt is on board. Must mean we have a winner!

[Walt Starr]

125. So, would you suppose that maybe, just maybe, we've found

the guy who can appeal to a liberal base while bringing the middle on board?

[Terwilliger]

131. ACK! Why are you asking dolstein??

JUST KIDDING!

[robbedvoter]

132. The thought of the 2 of you backing the same candidate

reassures me as to the broad specter of his appeal. And there will be GOP-ers too!

[sendero]

123. Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean...

... would be my dream and the stinking repukes nightmare. Bring it!!!

[Walt Starr]

126. Frankly, Lieberman/Clark

would get me to vote for Lieberman.

[roguevalley]

110. I think I'm in love here. :)

Wes, I hardly knew ye. Keep it up!

Oh, and I agree. Viggo is hot. ;) <He's also a ballsy liberal
who protested the war every chance he got>

[kanrok]

10. Oh Baby

Sounds like a candidate to me.

[Cush]

13. Bill going after Kerry

for crying.

Now going on about Iraq. The Weekly Standard is the script for IRaq

[fairfaxvadem]

14. he is way cool....

If he isn't on the national ticket or the next Def Sec or State Sec, well, we are a stupid country....

[Zuni]

68. Right on

Clark's intelligence, expierience and demeanor make him the perfect choice for any cabinet.

I would still want to see a Clark/Dean ticket, as they would unite the Democrat Party more than anyone since FDR.

For once, most of us at DU could march in lockstep behind a candidate like they do for Bush at Freerepublic.

[Pastiche423]

76. Huh?

Which candidate might that be?

[Trajan]

82. um ..... Pastiche ? .....

Has ANYONE seen Pastiche ? ....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

92. well .......he is a rhodes scholar like clinton

:shrug:

[Cush]

17. lol

"Aren't you pissed off with what the director and other script writers have screwed your movie?"

Spin away Billy boy.

On OSama and his Terra Summit

DL: Osama is the most prolific dead dude around, he has more videos out than Tupac

Wolf: These Newsweek guys seem to know where Osama is, why doesn't the mlitary

ohh, Bill wants to bring up PNAC

[juajen]

75. Ok,please tell, I'm not tuned in, who is DL and Wolf?

N/T

[Cush]

19. Go DL!!!

To Kristol: You're high aren't you? You're high.

"When I watch FOX my tv tips to the right. What world are you in?"

Al Fraken is up

[stanwyck]

20. Kristol is so twisted

that poor man can't tell the truth. Ever. Now Al is trashing him. Fair and balanced...how well we're doing in Iraq.

[robbedvoter]

24. I have a cousin who is high and talks just like you"

You promissed WMD - none. You promissed welcome with flowers - none. I tell ya - I watch Fox - my TV tilts to the right"

[Kool Kitty]

90. I'm watching the rerun of this show and

I have to agree with DL-Bill Kristol is high. No matter what they say to him or what the question is, he repeats the same GOP talking points-we liberated the people, things are going well in most of the country, the press is reporting the wrong things, blah, blah, blah. What a pompous ass!

[Cush]

21. about the FOX Suit

Two right wing websites called him the names used in the suit

[Kahuna]

23. Clark was soooooo good...

I'm svelting over here. LOL! Boy are the other gys in trouble if he runs. Charisma, brains and looks. Hard to beat.

[Cush]

25. Al rocks

really stuck it to the conservatives

[Cush]

27. DL

oops

[robbedvoter]

26. I had to jump up when he spoke. I am still excited by what he said.

I can't wait to work for his campaign!

[Pepperbelly]

36. Did you happen to catch it on the threads when ...

I told several folk that Wesley might well be the most liberal guy out of the ten.

[Kanola]

64. I agree, I may be a Clark convert

[SiobhanClancy]

65. Me,too

I've been leaning that way,but his words tonight pretty much sealed the deal. Now he needs to declare....it's time to get to work.

[Breezy du Nord]

74. Me too

I like him a lot. I ought to Google him or something...

[juajen]

73. Hi, PB

Maybe this question has been answered somewhere and my memory hole is deeper, but how does Gen. Clark feel about trade, Nafta, the WTO, etc.? Are you really saying that Clark is more liberal than Kucinich? I have to tell you I am looking close at Clark and think that the mudslinging is desperation; but, something is still making me wait. HELP

[Renew Deal]

85. Trying to research

I know the draft clark people are looking for more info on this. You can find out some more at www.meetclark.com/faq

DailyKos thinks that he will run to the left of Dean. He has been saying this for a while.

[Trajan]

84. Many of us ....

from early on believed his core philosophy to be strongly progressive .... Nearly EVERY utterance from him had liberal sentiments of one sort or another ....

The doubters will ALWAYS exist: .... but hopefully this will calm a few fears about Clark being a neocon wolf in a progressive's clothing ....

I havent decided yet WHOM to support: .. but strong progressives like Clark make me proud .... I would gladly support that man ....

[Renew Deal]

86. Strong progressives

I don't remember the who list but Mike Moore quasi-endorsed Wesley Clark.

"As I suggested to people at the press conference earlier, Dennis Kucinich is good, Al Sharpton is good, but there's a ... I would love to see this. There's a four-star general ... he used to be the commander of NATO. His name is Wesley Clark. He was a Rhodes scholar. He's a Democrat. He would repeal the Bush tax cut for the rich. He submitted a brief in support of affirmative action to the Supreme Court. He's pro-choice. I could go down the list, and he's actually quite good on all the issues -- and he's a general. I would just love to see the debate between the general and the deserter.(Applause.) So if the Democrats really wanted to win, they should run somebody who could win -- and that would be an interesting race."

You can also listen to it: http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=7594

It's at 14:35 on the recording.

[RobertFrancisK]

139. Wow! That's huge!!

Getting praise from Michael Moore can only help in the primary.

[Sophree]

134. Ditto.

Can't believe I missed Real Time (with Al AND Wes. Clark, 2 of my favorite guys!) I'll have to watch it tonight when it reruns.

[VolcanoJen]

91. It didn't get by me, Pepper.

:-)

What an amazing appearance from Clark tonight. Just finished watching it, and, honestly, this guy inspires me and fires me up about our chances.

Did you hear the people in the audience shouting "Run!! Run!!!' when he came out?

I was pretty fired up after last night's debates, but I'm tellin' ya, if Wes runs, our 10 look especially good!

Ever-inspired,
Jennifer :-)

[Kahuna]

120. I said it too Pepperbelly. Clark is very progressive.

He's the total package.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

112. And The Momentum Continues To Build

Clark was great tonight, because he had the opportunity to say something, unlike those confrontations with Scarborough, Hannity, or Carlson where they ask him questions they don't really intend to give him the time to answer. Clark is far more than a military man; he's a deep thinker. I feel that if people have a chance to hear him give a real extended talk, they will be very impressed at this man's vision for America.

[devilgrrl]

28. Franken Rocked!!!

:toast: :bounce: :toast:

[Renew Deal]

87. I bought his book

One of my friends picked it up and loves it. I can't wait to start reading. I am already excited because the second chapter is called Ann Coulter: Nutcase.

[Cush]

29. more from DL

Those who get the most benefit from this country, do the least. That seems ass backwards

Wolf doesn't think CNN is liberal.

Bill: Isn't the media a little manipulative?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

30. Surprised-Wolf Doesn't Think CNN is Liberal

Obviously. Since he isn't either.

[Cush]

31. Bill: Lol

Calls Britney SPears and Jessica Simpson bimbo's

on Britney saying people should trust Bush: "This is great, tell teenagers to be sheep"

Kristol: Celebs shouldn't run for office or speak out

DL: Then we wouldn't of had Reagan

Kristol: Thats not true .....wtf?????

[TheBlob]

35. Man, this sounds like a keeper

Is it going to be repeated?

[Cush]

39. yup

few times over the weekend and next week

[eablair3]

56. yes, .. it's on again several times in the next few days

it's on later tonight on HBOWest ... it's on at 11 pm PDT.

it's on tomorrow on HBO2 at 8 pm PDT/11pmEDT

it's on tomorrow on HBO2West at 11pm PDT

it's on Sept 7 at 10:30 pm PDT on HBO

it's on Sept 8 on HBO2 at 7:30 pm PDT

it's on more than just those times as well. Yolu should get plenty of chances if you're looking for it.

[Breezy du Nord]

66. BAAAAAAAAAA

Bush... *zombie like* must...please...Bush....

:P

[Cush]

32. on the dog dropping

Bush gets a pass for just about anything. With his choking on the pretzel, the dog, the whoppers, yet no one says anthing. Can you imagine if Clinton fropped his dog?

DL: Its the lazy eye syndrome

Bill: What if Clinton's biggest campaign was the biggest fraud?

WOlf: Well, 9/11 happened......fuck you Wolf!

Bill: Any other president would have been criticized for his actions that day

[robbedvoter]

33. W dropping his dog - he gets away with a lot (Maher)

Pretzel, Ken Lay, dropping the dog.

[minkyboodle]

34. DL is rockin tonight

I'm usually kind of luke-warm about him but tonight he is rockin the house. Has Wolf contributed anything at all to this debate?? And Krystal has to be the swarmiest man alive.
Scott

[Kathy in Cambridge]

44. Bill Kristol is mamby-pamby

can't stand up to DL

[stanwyck]

50. total agreement

DL is smokin'. Kristol seems to be vacillating between barely contained rage and desperation. Wolf seems bewildered. He can't seem to understand why the audience is bowing down to him.

[Breezy du Nord]

67. I thought Kristol was smoking???

:P

[Bake]

107. I don't think DL gets enough credit!

The man is smokin' every time I see him on Bill's show! He takes no shit off ANYONE! To Kristol: You're high!

DL might as well have said "You're full of shit!" or "You're a lyin'g motherfucker!"

Give it up for DL!!

And even more importantly, I thought Wes Clark was EXCELLENT tonight. Smooth; the only thing he fumbled even a little bit was the implicit "are you running or not" question from Bill. He said all the right things.

Bake

[Cush]

37. Wolf proves he's a whore

on Bush's free pass in the press: 9/11 changed everything

[stanwyck]

53. Gag!

Wolf tried so hard for a Cronkite elder statesman moment. Fell flat. DL took him out. Flattened him. Both Kristol and Blitzer were waxed by DL.

[eablair3]

38. MAN, ..... YOU ....... ARE ...... HIGH , AREN'T YOU?

DL Hughly is absolutely hilarious when he confronts Bill Kristol and ripping on FOX. "Man, you are high, aren't you?" :)

[devilgrrl]

40. To answer Bill Kristol's question...

whether Bush did well after 9/11 leading the country?

In retrospect... Absolutely not!!!!

[bunk76]

43. Kristol...

"the press isn't friendly to bush"..... :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

46. DL: He'll Do

Did we have a choice during 9-11?

[Cush]

41. Bill Maher is on tonight

Abortion killers get sympathy, look at Eric Rudolph. THey are viewed as hero's

[robbedvoter]

45. This is his best show yet - Blitzer is dead in the water, DL takes

care of Krystol, Maher is mostly OK.

[devilgrrl]

47. Maher Nails Charlie Daniels

:evilgrin:

Good show tonight!

[Cush]

49. New Rules:

1) Stop mourning the Volkswagen Bug

2) Country Music stars can't be authors (Charlie Daniels book)

3) Call things what they are. (fancy coffe type is a milkshake)

4) Stop pretending net viruses are interrupting anything important

Still looks like Bill doesn't get the whole internet thing

[Syrinx]

61. Charlie Daniels used to be good

When he was a redneck liberal.

[DS1]

51. who the fark is DL?

:wtf:

[Cush]

54. comedian/actor

he had a show on ABC/UPN for 3 years

[DS1]

69. can someone spell out his name or is it just DL?

/confused

[DS1]

70. ok, DL Hughley

still never heard of him :shrug:

[blm]

71. DL Hughley

.

[Cush]

52. ok, that was funny

Every few months it gets killed by some Incubus fan on a kit kat and mountain dew buzz

[southern democrat]

59. DL's Tv leans to the right when it's on Fox

[tjdee]

55. When is the rerun? Anyone?

I missed Clark and DL Hughley is just fantastic.
I could mosey over to the HBO site, but just wondering if anyone knows off the top of their head?

[bunk76]

58. pretty sure..

it reruns tomorrow night,maybe midnight,,eastern?

[Syrinx]

62. I think they show it on Tuesday nights at 9 (central)

But that's also when Richard Belzer's conspiracy show debuts on scifi channel.

[Sophree]

135. I usually catch it on Saturday nights

If I miss it on Fridays. I think it's on at 11 pm?? Or maybe 1 am. Can't remember for sure.

Hi tj! :hi:

[JasonBerry]

78. A Dictionary Definition - Without Comment

gul·li·ble < gúlləb’l >

adjective

easily duped: tending to trust and believe people, and therefore easily tricked or deceived

[xxqqqzme]

79. on @ 11 on the left coast

.

[paulsbc]

83. just finished

watching on Tivo (gosh I love that product :))

anyway, Clark was the highlight of the show, IMO, and I hope he runs.

I was less than impressed tonight, Franken came off as really unfunny IMO, the panel wasn't very good or engaging (come on Wolf, at least PRETEND to be a journalist...), and Maher was flat, IMO, after the Clark interview .

A C+ for the show tonight, with Clark's time being an A and the rest being a D.

[VolcanoJen]

93. Tivo kicks ASS!! Regardless of my fear of becoming...

... a corporate shill whore, I must agree with the beauty of the product that is Tivo!

I just finished watching too.. definitely the best Maher of the season so far. Nice to watch Bill Kristol SHUT THE FUCK UP for a minute, you know??

:-)
Jennifer

[Terwilliger]

88. I downloaded a copy a few minutes ago

I'll gladly upload it to someone if you've got broadband...after I watch ;-)

[JasonBerry]

89. I'd love to see it after all this talk! N/T

~

[Bombero1956]

95. Franken was great

When asked what he thought of the people at Faux...."what's the word I'm trying to think of....assholes"

D.L. Hughley on the 9/11 attack and Bush's reaction "if there was a time to say motherfucker, that was it." Wolfie and Kristol just looked at each other like they've never said that word.

[Terwilliger]

94. President Dress-Up!

Clark VERY nervous

[Terwilliger]

96. "we live in a liberal democracy...that's what we created in this country"

very smart

"I have a follow-up...I have a follow up..."

"nation wants open transparent government"

[Terwilliger]

97. OK, I'd like to see Kucinich, Sharpton, Kerry, and Clark in a debate

:dem:

[Terwilliger]

98. ok, and Braun and maybe Graham

no Lieberman or Geppie or Edwards, and this bitch is on

[Pastiche423]

103. Why did you leave out Dean?

And what does "President Dress up" mean?

[Terwilliger]

106. Bill referred to the flight-suit doll

saying that

I honestly forgot Dean. :smoke:

[VolcanoJen]

99. I'm dreaming of a Clark vs. Bush debate on National Security

Now *that* would be interesting...

[Terwilliger]

102. never happen

They would never let Bush near Clark

[TacticalPeek]

152. If your dream comes true,

someone remind Clark to keep an eye peeled for Georgie Will snaking through the wire.

[Terwilliger]

101. DL "When I watch Fox, my TV tips to the right!"

When he was listening to Krystol spewing his bullshit, he looked at him like he was going to say exactly what he said: "You're high, aren't you? You're high!"

Krystol got some boos and hisses during his monologue of crap.

[Terwilliger]

104. Franken!!! HAHAHAHAHA

way to put it!

[Terwilliger]

105. Franken says to Bill: "your friend, Anne Coulter"

[deneb]

118. In one of her books, Coulter wrote she and Franken were friends..

..and Franken denied it drolly with some clever quip.

And of course Maher has referred to AC as his friend. I guess it's a 'once you get to know her she's cool' kind of relationship. Or maybe a 'won't kick her out of bed' relationship. Word is Bill Bennet and Janeane Garofolo are on similar terms; and not that it matters, but did Bill Krystol slip the tongue to Wolfie as the credits were rolling at the end of the show?

;)

[Dookus]

108. Best Laugh out Loud moment.....

When Franken was asked about slimey comments made about him by fox that were pulled from the internet, Al replied...

Well... that's just typical of Fox. It shows just what... oh... what's the right word... HUGE ASSHOLES they are.

[Terwilliger]

109. Krystol is out of his mind...Blitzer seems interested in perpetuating fear

Hughley is SO out front :D :bounce:

[Terwilliger]

111. OK...I STILL get irritated by that little twerp

I understand his animosity towards the internet, but I think his limitation of it being nothing but downloading music and porn is outdated.

A pretty damn good show. Kudos to Hughley and Franken.

We'll have to re-evalute Clark, maybe.

[lazarus]

113. hilariously

Maher actually has a sort of blog going, now. :eyes:

[Terwilliger]

114. he should have been reading the newsgroup

better ammunition :)

Did you go to a show?

[lazarus]

116. not yet

we had a car wreck a couple of weeks ago, so money's a bit tight. With gas prices the way they are, I dunno if we'll be going to LA anytime soon.

Then again...

If I can find a week that won't be all conservatives, we just might make the trip, though.

[Cheswick2.0]

115. Maher's show would be better if he would shut the hell up

his little "look at me I am a cynic" rants are usually not at all funny and not at all true.

[OKNancy]

122. "We'll have to re-evaluate Clark, maybe"

I think this is really amazing to read. As one of the strongest, and most ethical Greens on DU, for you to even consider looking again is a good sign.

It's a good sign for some sort of unity.

[Pepperbelly]

124. Terwilliger ...

When the speculation first began, I let everyone know that Wesley comes from a long line of New Deal, FDR Democrats. That is the family and people with those sorts of values instilled in them from an early age ... social responsibility, respect for people, liberty, civil rights, a strong national defense in the purest sense of the word AND internationalism ...

Wesley was a good guy from the earlist time that I knew him. An achiever with the brains, the grades, the motivation without being an asshole about it. He and a couple of my other cousins were on the same swim team with our uncle coaching. They won big time.

But Wesley never got too full of himself.

He is one of the good guys.

on edit ... my contact with Wesley was childhood contact and he is 8 years my senior. I withheld my support until I could judge whether or not he was the same PERSONALITY that he was when I knew him. As he allowed his personality to emerge, it became apparent to me that he was. In those days, the Leave it to Beaver days, he was far more like a very, very smart Wally than an Eddie Haskell or Lumpy Rutherford. The sort of guy you could talk to and even share problems without the worry of him snitching to the adults. It was a lot like getting advice from an adult without the consequences.

[Terwilliger]

128. I didn't give him a fair shake initially because I still think this whole

"must choose a military man" is rubbish. I still do. And Clark didn't help by being skittish about whether he was running or not.

Still, he seems VERY quick and intelligent (beats out a lot of the candidates right there ;-) ) and I found a lot of what he said to be rather agreeable.

Let's see him talk some more (I'd love to see Clark and Kucinich in a one on one) and he should bring a LOT to the field

:hi:

Robbie <----annoying asshole ;-)

[DoveTurnedHawk]

130. My Hat Is Off To You. Thanks!

We'll have to re-evalute Clark, maybe.

Thank you for keeping an open mind.

:toast:

DTH

[Julien Sorel]

117. If what I'm reading here is correct, Clark is

way more politically sophisticated than people here give him credit for being. I bet Dean gets the message loud and clear, though. Clark is using his status as a general to outflank (heh) Dean on the left. If Clark gets in the race and continues along these lines, Dean is going to have some interesting choices to make. If he turns back to the left, he's got big problems come the general election (assuming he even wins); if he doesn't, he risks allowing Clark to make inroads into what Dean was counting on to be his base.


This has the potential to be a hell of a primary, way more interesting and subtle than any actual election.

[TacticalPeek]

154. "way more interesting and subtle"

Already there, no? From the pre- pre- pre-gitgo.

[jumptheshadow]

121. The best Clark line

Outside of the serious, astute stuff, I loved it when he looked at the Bush doll and said, "Nice jump suit." (Or something to that effect, I was sleepy.)

[Sophree]

138. lol!

That's what I've been waiting for someone to say (or allude to): Just how undignified the whole flight suit thing was. * should have been humiliated over that stunt. Wesley Clark is exactly the person to do this.

[Nlighten1]

127. Wonk! Anyone? Video of this?

Please?

[Terwilliger]

129. I have an mpeg copy but its 128M

got a server I could upload to?

OnEdit: I got this copy from alt.binaries.multimedia

[Terwilliger]

136. not mpeg

Win media :-\

[Nlighten1]

140. I'm looking in that newsgroup now.

I am transfering my domain to a different host provider this weekend and when I do I am going to have much more space to store things like this.

[robbedvoter]

133. For just the Clark segment check later digitalclark.com

HBO reruns the show tonight.

[Terwilliger]

137. 128M Win media (*.asf) file for anonymous FTP download

67.160.214.231

U: DU

P: shrub

OnEdit: forgot to mention my upload cap is 37K

[Nlighten1]

141. What kind of Internet connection do you have?

[Nlighten1]

142. kick

[Nlighten1]

144. kick

[DoveTurnedHawk]

146. THANKS!!!

Ter, I take back every uncool thing I've ever said to you. THANK YOU!

:yourock:

DTH

[RobertFrancisK]

143. Who's got the transcript?

I want to email it around, spread the word.

[Palacsinta]

145. I wrote to Wesley again

and begged him to run. In essence.....if he knew in his heart that he had the neccessary brains, vision, experience and desire to save our country, he HAS to run. WE NEED HIM!

[MoonRiver]

151. Yes, yes, yes!

I've written him too. My husband and I just want him to announce so we can throw ourselves totally into him campaign. Right now we're split on Kerry and Dean, but we both agree that Clark's the absolute best candidate, if he would only announce!

[VolcanoJen]

147. ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT (edited to include in its entirety)

Taken from Tivo, to the best of my abilities, and by no means official, but boy, are my fingers tired! :-) Enjoy, my DU Friends!

Transcription by VolcanoJen; emphasis by VolcanoJen

Maher: Yeh, there's a standing ovation that for once is deserved. You certainly do deserve it, no one knows more about sacrificing for their country than you do, I would say. Now I heard Condoleeza Rice say this week that we need a generational commitment for what we're doing in Iraq, which sounds a little like the old "pay any price, bear any burden" which John F. Kennedy said, 40 years ago. Uhh, do you think this generation is up to a pay any price, bear any burden commitment, which is what we really need. Do you think this generation of hackers and slackers can cut it?

Clark: I think this is a great generation that can do anything that we need to do and ask to do.

Maher: Wow, you really are running for president! (audience laughter)

Clark: No, I'll tell you. The honest truth is, I was down at NYU giving a talk a couple nights ago and talked to many young people from this generation. They told me what the issue is, and what's really propelling this. They grew up in a generation where people trusted the government, they trusted. They hadn't been through the Watergate experience and Vietnam and all that. And they're asking, where's the threat? Where are those weapons of mass destruction? Why are we doing this? And so I think you'd get a generational commitment if you motivated a generation to do it. That's the fundamental issue right now.

Maher: So don't lie to them again. (audience applause) I have to ask you now, I don't know if you saw the Democrats debate last night. There's some good people in the Democratic field, but there's also an awful lot of talk about you. And I'm just wondering, there's so much talk around the water cooler, it's as if you kissed Britney! (audience laughter) Why do you think all of this talk for another Democratic candidate has settled on General Wesley Clark?

Clark: Well, as I've traveled around the country, people are looking for good leadership, they're looking for proven, experienced leadership. The country is engaged in foreign affairs in a way it wasn't four or five years ago. 9/11 was a tremendous shock, America woke up afterward and said what happened beyond our borders, it's really important. It just so happened to coincide with the time I've been going around. I've been increasingly concerned since 9/11, the strategy was going the wrong way, it was a sort of a bait-and-switch tactic. We had Osama bin Laden, wasn't enough of an enemy, I guess, wasn't clear, wanted to get something more substantial, let's go back to those old guys we didn't like the last time, so let's finish off Saddam Hussein. (audience applause and laughter)

Maher: All right now, I have to tell you General, when you said bait-and-switch, you just said the magic word! Ladies and gentleman, bait-and-switch, and there it is! (the Bush fighter pilot doll drops down onto the set by parachute) (audience laughter) No heckling! This, as you may have known, we had it on the show a couple weeks ago. This is the George Bush doll, this has been put out by a company. Him in his flight suit, this is President dress-up, when he made his appearance on the aircraft carrier. I'm wondering what you think of that stunt.

Clark: First of all, I think it's a great flight suit, and a lot of... (audience applause and laughter) great men and women have worn that suit with honor, and have risked their lives, have lost their lives, in that flight suit. And I think when you see that doll, what it will remind us of is the premature celebration at the end of this war. Because this was the 1st of May, and the banner read Mission Accomplished. And you know what's come out of the Washington press this week, the leaked document from the Joint Staff and Central Command. We did our after-action review, and you know what we found, fellas? We didn't plan for the whole mission! We destroyed the Iraq army, we got to Baghdad, but we didn't have Phase 4! The post conflict operation!

Maher: Aren't Republicans supposed to be the ones who are efficient like that? I understood Bill Clinton, he was the guy with the pizza boxes in the dorm room, late for meetings, but how come the efficient Republicans were the ones who said "Oh dude! We forgot the post-war! (audience applause and laughter) It's a mystery to me.

Clark: I was in the Ford Administration, I know a lot of these guys, and of course I'm friends with the military guys. When I went through there, I asked them, this was a year ago, I said what's going to happen after you get in there? We knew it wasn't going to be much of a fight. They said we really are having a hard time getting a plan because the civilians don't want to ask these questions, they don't want to hear about it. The only thing I can figure is a lot of these civilian leaders, hadn't, they weren't really students of military operations. Because every serious student of warfare understands it's not about smashing the enemy army, it's about getting to the end state. It's the political objective that you're going at. And I think the Republicans got mesmerized about the weapons!

Maher: They all talk about the military, though very few of them served, like mmm-mmm (pointing to Bush doll). I want to read you a quote, because Howard Dean said "...In Vermont, you know, politics is much farther to the left. A Vermont centrist is an American liberal right now." And then his campaign manager came out and said "That's not an admission he's a liberal!" Which, quite frankly pissed me off. Somehow they hijacked that word. And you're a Democrat, you said that last week.

Clark: Absolutely. (audience applause)

Maher: OK. I'm just wondering, of all the people who have the credentials to say "liberal" is not a bad word, I'm wondering if I could get you to say that.

Clark: Well, I'll say it right now.

Maher: Good for you!

Clark: We live in a liberal democracy. That's what we created in this country. It's in our constitution! We should be very clear on this... this country was founded on the principles of the enlightenment. It was the idea that people could talk, have reasonable dialogue and discuss the issues. It wasn't founded on the idea that someone would get struck by a divine inspiration and know everything, right from wrong. People who founded this country had religion, they had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back.

Maher: Thank you. (audience applause)

Clark: Can I follow up on that?

Maher: Yes!

Clark: A lot of people have said, what are you interested in? Why would you even consider running? Isn't it just about Iraq? It really isn't. Iraq is part of it, I think our foreign policy has serious problems, but I think the economy and the way the administration has dealt with the economy has serious problems. But more fundamental than that, it's about what kind of country we want to live in. I think this nation wants an open, transparent government. I think it likes the two-party system. I think it likes to hear reasoned dialogue, not labeling, name-calling, hateful politics. I think 2004 is the election the voters have to put that back in.

Maher: I have one last question I have to ask, and you know I wouldn't do this to you

Clark: Am I going to announce?

Maher: I'm just gonna say this. My mother is a WWII veteran, she was an Army nurse, 84 years old, served in WWII. I talk to her every day, she's also a life-long Democrat. We talk on the phone every day, and we often talk about politics, and one name she keeps bringing up is yours. General Wesley Clark, why doesn't he get in? And I'm not.. no pressure, I'm just saying 84 years old, lifelong Democrat, Army Veteran, you could make one person very happy, no pressure. (audience laughter) And she has pneumonia. But she's getting over it, but just do whatever you want. (audience laughter)

Clark: We don't want to crimp it too soon, you know? She'll be better at 94!

Maher: Thank you very much. Whatever you do, your country owes you a lot. Thank you, General Clark.

(audience applause, with many yelling "Run! Run!")

[RobertFrancisK]

148. THANK YOU!!

That's really cool of you to do that. If you get more, please post it.

[VolcanoJen]

150. Hi RFK! I've updated the above post to include the entire transcript.

Hope you enjoy it!

:-)
Jennifer

[RobertFrancisK]

153. Thanks again

Most appreciated

[kaitykaity]

149. Wes just makes my heart beat a little bit faster.

Thanks for this. Now if wonk would show up and
make a smaller audio file for us.

:D

[TheBigGuy]

155. Man, that was a good discussion by Clark!

....just way too much common sense in what he is saying.

Clark would really be a breath of fresh air if he ran. Problem is, and I hate to say this, he is maybe too decent for the hardball kind of politics that is played nowadays.

[Renew Deal]

156. But he has fire.

He has said that there is nothing that he loves more than the debate. If fact, he was on the debate team in college.

[tjdee]

157. I feel that way as well.

When I saw him talking to Woodruff, when he said he was a Democrat, I got that distinct feeling--he's way too decent for this crap.

Same feeling I got with Gore.
That's why a nagging part of me thinks he won't run at all.

[TacticalPeek]

158. It's already rolling and only he or his family could stop it.

Remember, most of his life and career has been involved in, frankly, destroying, or not destroying, and hence, judgement, analysis, planning, leading, and the most fateful class of decision-making. So, his destruction of this calamitous regime may be done decently, but it will feel like the hardest of ball on the other end. Koufax, if you will.

[Clark Can WIN]

159. I think the General can handle it.

Yes he is a very decent and honest guy but hes had to dance with devils before you know, after I saw him on Real Time I have no doubts at all he is running.

[robbedvoter]

160. Thank you, Jen for this! I can send this around now!

:yourock:

[snyttri]

161. Thank you very much. Rest up those fingers.