I'm looking for anti Salvation army coupons to leave in kettles!

[romantico]

I downloaded these a couple weeks ago but lost the website. I treid google but came up with nothing. ANyone have a link to the coupon vouchers I download to put in the Salvation Army kettle to show them I DO NOT support them for their anti gay polcies? Many thanks all!

[mslux]

1. Glad I read your full post

I couldn't figure out how someone on DU could be supporting the SA.

[romantico]

2. Thanks!

I just changed the title of the post!

[puddycat]

3. By supporting a group, it doesn't mean you support all their policies.

I contribute to the Salvation Army kettles and will cotinue to do so, even though I'm fully in support of legalized gay unions (whether or not its called "marriage") I also hate the fact that the Catholic Church gives safe harbor to priest deviants, but I don't let that keep me from contributing or helping their soup kitchens. So, be realistic--here in urban America we need all the help we can get in assisting human beings the rest of society considers too lowly to bother with--and if that help comes via the Salvation Army or the CAtholic church, then so be it.

[DrDebug]

5. I agree with you.

The Salvation Army is one of the few groups who do something for the poor and homeless and you may or may not agree to their way of thinking, but they try very hard in helping people and that deserves a lot of respect.

[ThorsHammer]

11. Agreed, I also give money for their Boys and Girls Clubs (nt)

[PassingFair]

7. If you're fully in support of gay rights...

why not donate your time and energy to groups that help WITHOUT harming?There are many secular organizations that you can get behind without supporting pedophile priests and the slushfunds they entail, or funding and fostering an organization that denigrates and denies equality for women.

[puddycat]

15. so tell me, where are these secular soup kitchens?

So tell me, where are these secular soup kitchens? how many homeless ex-drug addicts have been helped in urban areas by the Atheists and the non-religious? I give to the religious organizations, both liberal and conservative, which seek to help lift people out of their dire situations. So when the religion bashers start soup kitchens of their own, then perhaps I'll consider contributing to them.

[PassingFair]

17. Try Dean Corps,

for one....United Way, Planned Parenthood, local Food Co-ops, and any other non-defunded secular organization (notice I didn't say Atheist) that's not getting it's butt kicked by the newly riche "faith-based initiative" money flowing from our faithful (P)resident's poisoned pen.

Try MEALS ON WHEELS first. They are always looking for help. Whether you're aglow with religion or reality.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. Heh. I love when facts shut 'em up!

:yourock:

Edit: There's an SA branch in Brazil. They'll see my money when it snows here (Rio de Janeiro). I give to a community daycare at a shantytown instead.

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[puddycat]

45. And how does Planned Parenthood duplicate SA's mission

Once again, I find that some of you are your own worst enemies. I doubt that you really want to win the fight against intolerance regarding gays, because then you'd have to shut your whining and complaining. Like many people, you are your own worst enemies, demanding tolerance for yourself but with little for others who don't meet your exact specifications.

[Ripley]

54. Maybe you're in the wrong place?

The thing about the SA that bothers me is that they have returned money from organizations that support gay rights. Now THAT is STUPID. Do they think "gay money" has cooties or something?

I believe they are being their own enemy if their specifications for contributions are "no gays allowed."

BTW are divorced people allowed to ring bells for them? Or adulterers? Or wife beaters? Or liars? Or cussers?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

59. He cited FOUR charities (and of course there's lots more)

But you HAD to zero in on Planet Parenthood, didn't you? I wonder why.

[GOPBasher]

10. I'm with you. I give some $ to the SA.

[puddycat]

4. by the way, the people receiving your "anti-SA" lit will be some poor guy

at least in my neighborhood, the people manning the kettles are poor ex-Alcoholics, etc. who the SA is trying to help put their life back together. Your anti SA literature will only serve to make their day that much more miserable than it is already.

[apple_ridge]

6. BS. Let them go see the King for some

faith based support.

[Walt Starr]

8. GOOD!

I had just been passing them by this year, but now I'll download the coupons and stick them in the kettles!

Anything to make a person wearijng an SA uniform more miserable!

[puddycat]

12. ok--maybe my post was too strongly worded

Maybe you don't speak from hate, but sheer frustration. But my sentiment remains the same--we must not attack the very people that we need to help. If we want to change the hearts of people, then there must be a better way than destroying the very organizations than try to do good, even though we disagree with the policies made at the TOP levels of that organization.

[davidinalameda]

14. you want to see hatred?

take a look at what the Salvation Army has tried to do in regards of getting around local domestic partnership laws

they conspired with the Bushies to try and get some damn federal law passed so that any "faith-based" group wouldn't have to comply with local laws about discriminatin

you can go kiss their homophobic asses because I'm sure not going to do so

[DrDebug]

16. Did you ever tried to go out in the street and collect door to door?

I've done it a couple of times for charities and it's very hard. For some weird reason the weather is always terrible. You have to friendly to every person and you need to take a lot of abuse and lies. And worst of all people giving you a cent and then you have to thank them for it and smile.

Then imagine a lot of those Salvation Army workers who have done it for dozens of years, day-in and day-out. Besides collecting, they needed to wash and feed people normal people wouldn't even dream of touching or who are severely mentally ill. They need to show compassion and be friendly to every single person and most of them will.

Take your grievance for the top to the top, because the ordinary worker for the salvation army is full of compassion and you can be sure most people couldn't handle what they have to deal with and they are not doing it for themselves. They are doing it because it is their duty to relieve the suffering on the bottom.

I can only feel humble and small when I see them, because they are doing something I could never do.

[Walt Starr]

19. I see the SA and all I feel is disgust

Seriously, the whole damned orgnaization is bogotted from the top down, IMO.

[Jack_DeLeon]

24. Sounds like you are the one with a problem.

[Walt Starr]

25. Nope, I got no problem

I'm going to enjoy stuffing the coupons into the kettles.

[puddycat]

23. I understand what you are saying but consider the people that need SA help

There is NO perfect oganization, of any kind. What if you succeed in destroying the organization that is the only hope of millions of people? Will YOU be there to start an organization to help these folks?

If you hate the SA so much, then why not start an organization yourself that duplicates its mission of helping people who are destitute and without hope, but which does it in a manner of which you approve?

If liberalism truly is to re-invent itself, then we must start at the bottom, grassroots level. There is nothing productive in attacking an organization which has a valid mission, without being prepared to take over its role. You hate SA? Then be prepared to take care of the people you harm by attacking it. Conceivably you could start a homeless mission clearly run by and for gays but which accepts everyone--that could serve a great purpose! Think of the friends you would win! But there are no friends to be won by denying people the basic help they need in life, simply because you have an ethical point to make. If you don't understand this, then I don't know how else to explain it.

[Walt Starr]

26. FUCK THAT NOISE!!!!

They want to be bigots on MY TAX DOLLARS!

fuck 'em, they don't do anything worth a shit in my opinion.

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[Walt Starr]

44. Don't try and tell me who to give to and who not to!

It's MY MONEY and MY TIME. I WILL PUT THOSE COUPONS INTO SA KETTLES BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTTED FUCKS WHO DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR ORGANIZATION DIE FROM LACK OF FUNDING!

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[Walt Starr]

50. No I am not

Refusing to donate money and engaging in a protest movement is NOT BIGOTRY!

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[Walt Starr]

48. Delete

Nope, not going to get baited into a personal attack

[puddycat]

51. YOU have already personally attacked me.

I just call em as I see them, and you are a hater. Anyone who wants to deprive poor people of their source of help is a hater. YOU have a problem, and people like YOU made us lose this election.

[Walt Starr]

53. You've had posts deleted over your personal attacks

Se those edeleted messages up there? Those were your personal attacks against me.

Engaging in a protest movement against fascist anti-gay bigots is not bigotry regardless of how many times you shout it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

69. I like seeing those pop up. It's cathartic.

Of course, nothing beats that Western movie with Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer.

[AgadorSparticus]

35. while i may not agree with all their policies, you cannot argue

that they do a tremendous amount of work to help those in dire need. their shelters have helped countless people. i always donate to them because i know that the money does go to the people that need it the most--not the administrators.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. See post #17. (nt)

[AgadorSparticus]

39. and i support meals on wheels & shop at coops as well. However,

I've seen firsthand how much the SA has helped people that are completely down and out. I'm not going to fight for gay rights on the SA front at the expense of many homeless people. I'll fight for gay rights on a different front.

[Walt Starr]

18. Nope, no hatred from me. They hate gays

I'm just expressing my opinioin of their hatred.

[puddycat]

52. putting hate-messages in SA kettles is a hateful, biased, childish act

You and everyone who does it should be ashamed. And if you think that encourages everyone to reconsider their views on gays, you are mistaken.

So keep it up, you will only continue the cycle of hatred.

[Walt Starr]

55. How is this a "hate message"?

http://www.us.net/epf/Coupon.htm

Read the damn thing. I put 5 of these things in kettles, each with my name and address and an amount of $100 filled in payable as soon as the SA complies with this:

when and only when the Salvation Army adopts a full non-discrimination policy in hiring and provides domestic partnership benefits to its employees

So tell me, how the FUCK is that a hate message? I will make good on the $500 in pledges when they comply.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

21. pot calling kettle black

Got hatred? What do you mean, "if we ever want to win an election"? Hey, we won the last two presidential elections, neither Kathleen Harris nor Diebold can count. It's that simple. If we ever want to win, what we have to do is stop them from cheating.

[SmokingJacket]

13. I agree.

Write letters to the people at the top, and be nice to the people freezing their balls off trying to do a good deed.

[ThorsHammer]

28. Exactly (nt)

[Malva Zebrina]

75. Hey, make one gay person miserable, you get the same in return.

It is called karma by some. Besides, SA is not totally dependant upon the kettles. They already get tax payer money. That is enough for an organisation that discriminates against any group of people.

[pstokely]

9. give them expired coupons

nt

[quaoar]

20. I was on the Board of Directors for my local Salvation Army

And one of the hardest working members of that board was also the state chairman of the Republican Party.

His politics suck but he bent over backwards to help those in the community who had their heat cut off in the winter and didn't have enough to feed their kids. And I know of at least one low-income family that he worked with personally diligently to get back on their feet.

[Selwynn]

33. I note how this post has been totally ignored by the ranters. (nt)

[Walt Starr]

34. Because it had nothing to do with the original post

See post #31 which actually is the only direct reply to the original post in the entire thread.

[Selwynn]

38. Nope...I don't think that's why. ;)

[Walt Starr]

42. You're entitled to your opinion

wrong tough it may be.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

74. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

Charity money is limited, and people have to choose WHICH charity it goes for. SA has dropped WAY far down in the list, sorry.

[AngryOldDem]

77. Save your breath

They're not listening.

Their refusal to help makes things worse for the rest of us who actually help the poor, but that's OK. We'll find a way to do it without them.

[GinaMaria]

78. umm that's a big assumption

"makes things worse for the rest of us who actually help the poor"

Many people here help the poor. You don't have to support SA to do that. You don't have to support the united way to do it either. I don't buy from boy scouts because of their bigotted policies. i won't give to SA for the same reason. That's not enough for you to you to assume I don't help the poor.

[Jack_DeLeon]

22. Hoooray!!! what a petty thing to do.

[noonwitch]

27. I give money to the SA and I support gay rights

Why do you feel the need to put a protest paper into a Salvation Army bucket? What possible good does that do? The SA people are not going to react to it, and will probably still wish you a "Merry Christmas" regardless of your actions.

The Salvation Army runs great programs that I've dealt with through my work. They run several homeless shelters and a shelter for abused kids. They will help drug addicts that everyone else has long given up on, and I have never heard them turning anyone away who asks them for help, not even gay people.

I support gay rights, but I also support shelters for abused children and homeless people, in addition to free substance abuse treatment for people who have no insurance and no one else to help them. Nobody reaches out to street people the way they do. They also don't pay their executives hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salary, like the United Way does.

If you have such problems with the Salvation Army, perhaps you would like to form a secular agency that will service the same variety of needs?

[Walt Starr]

29. No

I have problems with the SA and I will drop little coupons in their kettles because of it.

It's my right to protest this fascist organization.

[puddycat]

56. dropping hate mail in kettles is childish. What a shameful deed

Although I support gay marriage, I have been disgusted with some of the more radical elements in the gay community. Taking out your anger against poor people is a low-down shameful thing to do.

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[Walt Starr]

60. WHAT IS "HATE MAIL" about it?

It's a damn voucher where you fill in your name, address, and an amount in the form of a pledge payable as soon as the SA stops its bigotted practices!

[puddycat]

61. The intention of it is hateful. That is wrong. n/t

[Walt Starr]

62. In you *opinion*, maybe

Facts notwithstanding.

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. Facts, schmacts. The Soldiers of JEEBUS don't need no steenkin' facts! -nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

65. Nobody is hating anything except bigotry.

If you think this is bad, well...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

64. If you support gay marriage, I'm Bill O'Reilly's loofah. (nt)

[Ripley]

66. YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

That is so disgusting before lunch. Thanks much....NOT. :puke:

[Roaming]

30. They help gay people too

The SA is one of the best charitable organizations around, and they give help to anyone who needs it -- alcoholics, drug addicts, the poor, and if any of these people happens to be gay, they'll help them too. I'll continue to support them.

[Walt Starr]

32. If you want to, go right ahead

but don't get pissed at those oif us willing to call a bigot a bigot.

[Walt Starr]

31. I FOUND IT!!!!

Had to dig, but here's a link to the coupon!

http://www.us.net/epf/Coupon.htm

[Dem2theMax]

40. I'll bet this is the link you had before.

http://www.soulforce.org/main/kettlevoucher.shtml

Click on the link for the vouchers. They come up in pdf. format.
I keep them in my purse at all times. I'm prepared! :)

[Dob Bole]

41. Anti-Coupons do not feed anyone...

I have always supported the Salvation Army and I will continue to do so, because they DO make a difference. I support gay rights and will continue to do so, because it's the right thing to do.

If anyone has any sort of feedback link where I can contact the Salvation Army, please give it to me. But I am not going to starve people and insult aid workers in order to prove my point- that's a very ignorant and Republican thing to do.

This is just like the time the fundies boycotted Disney....protest someone who's on your side in reality land, over one completely philosophical issue.

[Walt Starr]

57. Not really "anti-Coupons"

I made $500 in pledges this year as soon as they stop their bigotted practices, they can call me up for the cash.

[Behind the Aegis]

63. Good for you

Some of the posts here are very eye-opening. I knew after the election there were many 'hidden' homophobes here at DU, but this post has really driven that point home! SA has threatened to remove ALL of their shelters from NYC because they will not follow the law in NYC that makes public companies have a DP policy. I know they do some good works, but do the ends justify the means? They turn down money from gay groups. That doesn't sound very smart. One can support SA if they wish, but one can also protest this group, that is America! It is not like SA is folding because people are making a political statement.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

67. The funniest thing is people talking as if SA is the ONLY charity there IS

Talk about reality impaired! Well, it IS closet homophobe fundamentalists we're talking about...

[Behind the Aegis]

70. Yup!

I keep waiting for the classic "some of my best friends are gay" line! SA also preaches to its people they are trying to help. To me it is almost like....'wanna eat? wanna eat? Who's your savior?!" and I find that shameful! There are some great charities out there that do not require you believe a certain way in order to get their food or services. The fact is gays are still disposable in this society and it appears here at DU, it is also OK believe that. Such is life!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

71. I never heard of a Catholic charity that rams preaching down the assisted

people's throats. Not in the last century, at least.

Unless you tell me the SA is Catholic. But somehow I doubt it.

[Behind the Aegis]

72. Didn't say that...

Not sure where you got that train of thought, as I was talking about SA. As a matter of fact, I know several Catholic charities that are very non-judgmental. The Church itself may be preachy, but the charities are just that, charities. They do good works for no cost, including not preaching to those they help. There are several religious charities that do that as well, but there are also the ones, like SA, that hold a carrot over the "helpees" head, so to speak.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

73. Exactly. I was confirming your point -- no reason to cry "poor SA"

because there are many other, non-judgmental charities that help MORE and don't proselitize. Many of them run by churches too.

[Behind the Aegis]

79. Coolio!

I thought we were on the same page. Thanks for clearing up my confusion! Cheers!

[Malva Zebrina]

76. Catholic Charities and the Salvation Army

recieve tax payer money, and as such, are required to adhere to the law of the land and pay attention to discrimination law.

CC does a good job on that, but SA, used thousands of their money to lobby congress to give them a pass, a wink and a nod, on their gay discrimination policies.