Beyond the barrel idea #1: Run your car on tap water

[donsu]

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/122304Mazza/122304mazza.html


There's nothing like a good mystery, especially with your own Deep Throat.

This time an email from a stranger, a reader, Miguel X, who says "Run your car on water. It's been around since 1937. The federal government doesn't want you to know that because they cannot kill for water. Nor do they want you to know it would cost less than four new tires to convert your car from gasoline to hydrogen. The man who invented it or the man who stole the idea, I am not sure which, was murdered because the Fed did not want it to come out. Big Oil, Big Bank, and Big War have been running this game. We will never be the same. Go to Google or Ebay and type Run Car on Water and you will see, you can have all the power you need and have it for FREE. Don't tell Dubya I was the one who told you. MX."

Naturally, I go to Google, type in the five words and ffftt, there it is at the top of a page of Run Cars on Water:

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I immediately email Miguel X back and thank him. He responds. "I don't want credit. I just want the truth to come out. I know it won't on NBC. But some Spanish based TV stations have been reporting on the water car being developed in Mexico. The Mexican design requires a catalyst, a product that would allow water (H20) to electrolyze into hydrogen in a cylinder's combustion chamber without gasoline. The residue would be 02 or clean oxygen in the form of a mist. Caterpillar is working on a product called A55 (I believe) that allows a mix of gasoline and water with a proprietary product to blend and not separate. The product is supposed work in an internal combustion engine without modification. The water can work alone on an ordinary engine with some changes. If you need any help researching any or all parts, let me know."

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Have the gangsters quashed all these ideas, because they had the gas flow for the cash flow? And only now as Doomsday creeps in like an unhinged iceberg are we hearing, seeing about this? There's even a letter here sent by the English inventor of the French car in 1981 to BMW no less, asking what they think of the engine? And BMW, I mean Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft no less, says it's okay. Maybe a little problem with ze disposal of oxide deposits but everything else goodt to go. Go where? It went nowhere. There was plenty of gas for those 520s and 750s and the cute 320s. Vas is de problem? Don't fix vot isn't broken. In eleven steps, Mr. Francois P. Cornish of the UK, the inventor, spelled out the whole thing and nobody's seen him since1982. Mon dieu!

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maybe Mr. Cornish is on the bush body count list

maybe Pimp My Ride could work on this and show us how it's done.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Waste of bandwidth.

Unless the laws of thermodynamics have been revoked.

[Johonny]

4. Well

Some of it can work. I mean you can add additives to increase the H2O in gas but I doubt that is a good thing. You can burn H2 and O2 to make H2O and run an engine on it. You can use electrolysis to split water into H2 and O2. The idea as written seems to be sort of a half ass bastardization of a fuel cell by someone that doesn't know what a fuel cell is.

The key thing is of course it ain't free energy.

[BlueEyedSon]

6. This cannot be done with any excess energy for running the vehicle.

You can't even break even (and have in effect a perpetual electrolysis machine). Each step loses some energy to entropy (heat, etc).

[Johonny]

11. yeah

I know that. My post never said you could. Just pointed out that the original post takes actual science of a fuel cell and makes it sound like free energy you can do in your own car. You can catylze H2O, you can dissolve more H2O in gas, you can use some combustion energy to run a h2o catalyst reaction. All this can be done. You can't do it in a normal engine and you sure can't get free energy out.

[gordianot]

12. Nicoli Telsa was not a fan of this "law".

String theory, Scalar energy, quantum physics, does not revoke the laws but suggests they may need to be reconsidered. Very little in Science is called a "law" and deserves skepticism when it reaches that rock star status. Engineers will refer to Thermodynamics as law but some Physicist are more cautious.

The Universe is a strange place. Humans have not yet figured it out. Human intelligence is questionable, for proof look at the dip who was recently semi elected pResident.

[Jesus H. Christ]

13. Tesla was a bit off his rocker.

Thus, he's become a favorite for pseudoscience nutjobs.

Physicists haven't got the slightest problem with calling the 2nd law of thermodynamics a fundamental law. There's nothing in theoretical physics that suggests it should be reconsidered.

[BlueEyedSon]

14. Go build your "free energy" machine.

So far NO experimental observations contradict the 3 laws of TD.

[unblock]

2. high school chemistry

is more than enough to know this won't work.

[Worst Username Ever]

3. Logically, I am not entirely sure how this would be done.

Water needs to be separated into oxygen and hydrogen molecules in order to create combustion. This is easy to do, all you have to do is run and electircal charge through it and the atoms split, forming separate hydrogen and oxygen molecules (we did this in high school physics). These gases would be used to create the combustion required to move a piston or turbine. The problem is getting enough energy to not only drive the wheels of the car, but also to create enough of a charge to continue the electric current, needed to separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. The amount of the electrical charge required to produce enough hydrogen to do this would be MASSIVE. This would probably require an additional charge, likely through use of batteries. These would need to be recharged regularily... requiring most likely an electric plug-in (which most likely uses coal to manufacture the electricity).

I would be interested to see someone combine this water-separation technique with perhaps a solar panel to create additional electricity.

I could be completely wrong, any physics majors have any ideas?

On edit: another issue is the impurities in tap water. Likely for this process to work correctly, the water would have to be almost 100% pure. All those other gasses and minerals would muck things up pretty quickly. Perhaps "refined water" would be the next big money fuel industry. I think they'll get us at every turn.

[lectrobyte]

5. it may be "easy" to split hydrogen and oxygen, but takes a lot of

electricity to get meaningful amounts of hydrogen out. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[EVDebs]

7. Zinc Air Fuel Cells...they put the lid on this project too

Zinc Air Fuel Cells, basically zinc oxide with potassium hydroxide catalyst, are also a clean solution. Lawrence Livermore National Lab in CA was even going into a consortium with Australia (also a country with vast zinc reserves, like USA Canada Mexico Peru CHINA--virtually the Pacific Rim) for the 2000 Olympics as a demonstration...starting in Sept. 1997. This project was squelched.

If you look closer you see that Transportation Sec, and sole Democrat in the Bush admin, Norm Mineta's old district in Santa Clara CA has a demonstration Fuel Cell project with Hydrogen fuel cell PEM proton exchange membranes, has platinum catalyst. Platinum for fuel cells used to require LOTS of platinum...now it takes a thinner layer, like in catalytic converters, under the $10,000 it used to take with about $1000 or so today (guess). But the world only has so much platinum. The world has vast amounts of zinc.

Check out eVionyx company or the now defunct Metallic Power.

[Jesus H. Christ]

8. Anybody want to buy a bridge?

I'm selling a nice one for real cheap.

[Doctor_J]

9. I think I saw this in a Mamet play

[Arbustosux]

10. This explains why Bush is resisting doing something about global warming

the planet heats up, the water evaporates

in the meantime, Carlye Group quietly buys up anything to do with water....its brilliant!