When does support for Iraq war collapse?

[Cocoa]

That's the question that the elites dare not ask, but which has them spooked.

I could hardly believe it, but I saw Judy Woodruff actually make an obvious point about the Jan. elections, but which I hadn't heard any whore make. Bill Schneider suggested things might get bettter after the elections, and Judy asked, didn't they say that about the "handover?" A frightened-looking Schneider had to agree.

The unspoken question was, how long can the facade last, how long before Americans realize as the whores do but aren't telling us that the situation is hopeless?

And who will be the first whore to break ranks and tell us the truth?

[0007]

1. I don't think you want to pay any attention to those cretins

at CNN

[madrchsod]

2. the end of 2005

bush will have to do something because the next election cycle is coming up in 2006

[MichiganVote]

3. Do something? Like make up another pack of lies? Shouldn't be a problem.

[Cocoa]

5. that brings up another wording of the question

when do people start realizing they're being lied to?

[MichiganVote]

22. Those that needs it will justify the lies as easily as Bush & Co.

[lovuian]

4. When the soldiers quit fighting!!!

:bounce:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

6. October 2003. n/t

[west michigan]

7. When the Shiites .....

....tell us to leave.

[wuushew]

8. 2000 American dead

n/t

[Skittles]

9. 1000 didn't make a difference and I doubt 2000 will either

these assholes sport stupid SUPPORT THE TROOPS magnets on their cars but what they REALLY support is Bush and fascism.

[wuushew]

11. Well the upper limit is probably Vietnam

In the modern era Somalia proved that some arbitrary level of casualites does effect public opinion. So assuming that American patientice does not last longer than a decade the true number will probably be between 1400-10,000 before the realization of failure sets in.

[karlrschneider]

10. War support is inversely proportional to the square of the number of dead

soldiers. Roughly.
:eyes:

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Well put..I was going to say..When enough people have lost loved

ones there....

[POAS]

13. In an interview (on CNN or MSNBC ???)

a woman working at a dry cleaner near a military base that was home to many of the soldiers killed that while she hated to say it she now believes it is time for the troops come home.

It is beginning now.

[SariesNightly]

15. Sham Elections..

.. as a democratic facade to cover up deeper ethnic tensions will make Iraq unstable in the long term, not the daily bombings by terror mongers.

Here's how it looks on the ground (as opposed to CNN)

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People are wondering how America and gang (i.e. Iyad Allawi, etc.) are going to implement democracy in all of this chaos when they can't seem to get the gasoline flowing in a country that virtually swims in oil. There's a rumor that this gasoline crisis has been concocted on purpose in order to keep a minimum of cars on the streets. Others claim that this whole situation is a form of collective punishment because things are really out of control in so many areas in Baghdad- especially the suburbs. The third theory is that this being done purposely so that the Iraq government can amazingly bring the electricity, gasoline, kerosene and cooking gas back in January before the elections and make themselves look like heroes.

We're also watching the election lists closely. Most people I've talked to aren't going to go to elections. It's simply too dangerous and there's a sense that nothing is going to be achieved anyway. The lists are more or less composed of people affiliated with the very same political parties whose leaders rode in on American tanks. Then you have a handful of tribal sheikhs. Yes- tribal sheikhs. Our country is going to be led by members of religious parties and tribal sheikhs- can anyone say Afghanistan? What's even more irritating is that election lists have to be checked and confirmed by none other than Sistani!! Sistani- the Iranian religious cleric. So basically, this war helped us make a transition from a secular country being run by a dictator to a chaotic country being run by a group of religious clerics. Now, can anyone say 'theocracy in sheeps clothing'?

Ahmad Chalabi is at the head of one of those lists- who would join a list with Ahmad Chalabi at its head?
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-from the Baghdad Burning blog-

[karlrschneider]

23. I saw that too, think it was CNN, which I rarely watch these days

(that's why I'm mostly thinking that's where it was...I do view K. Olbermann on M but that's about it for the MSM/cable bunch)

[The Crazy Canadian]

14. The Iraq war can go on for a long while yet.

They'll just replace US troops with foreign paid mercanieres. That way, the Iraq war won't be on the news as much and people will forget about it.

Democracy Now! had a little segment on it:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/1541224

A New Poverty Draft: Military Contractors Target Latin America For New Recruits

With the situation in Iraq becoming more and more deadly and the resistance gaining increasing popular support inside the country, the Bush administration has begun sending thousands more US troops to Baghdad. But many question how many more troops the administration can afford to send, or more important, how many soldiers it can send. The US military is facing an unprecedented crisis in recruiting numbers and new enlistments. Meanwhile, new Pentagon statistics show that more than 5,000 soldiers have now been charged with desertion from bases in the U.S. and overseas since the invasion of Iraq in early 2003.

In some circles, there is talk of a return to the draft, though most analysts say that is unlikely in the near future. But it is not just the military that is facing difficulty in recruiting people to deploy to Iraq. Private contractors are also facing a serious personnel crisis, particularly given the danger of the situation and the fact that kidnappings and beheadings have become a regular part of the reality in occupied Iraq. Now, private US corporations have begun recruiting outside of the country. In recent months companies like Halliburton have launched ad campaigns and recruiting drives in several Latin American countries, promising huge salaries for fighting age men and women to serve in Iraq. Among the countries being targeted are El Salvador, Colombia and Nicaragua

[Disturbed]

16. The Fascists will not give up...

the Iraq territory. What the Amerikan population thinks does not matter. It is the Multi. Natl.Corps that will dictate foreign policy.

[SariesNightly]

17. PC term = Civilian contractors

I hear this is the biggest expense group, draining the budget supposedly earmarked for reconstruction.

[OneBlueSky]

18. when the media starts telling the truth about the war . . .

whether that will happen is anyone's guess . . . but if they continue to ignore the truth, what's left of their rapidly diminishing credibility will be completely lost when the truth eventually does come out . . . and the truth always DOES come out . . . eventually . . .

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[Wiley50]

20. When They Start the Draft n/t

[booksenkatz]

21. When most of us are enjoying fried dough for supper every night

Go watch "Grapes of Wrath." When the middle class no longer exists, and the majority of the population are living like the Joads... THAT is when people will start to think that maybe, just maybe, this whole gosh-darn deal with that Bush feller and that Irack stuff wadn't such a good idear, no wut I mean.
:grr:

[Sara Beverley]

24. If majority of Americans had the guts to take to the streets, it could be

over by the end of 2005. But we can't leave our SUVs long enough to walk in a demonstration.

[Kablooie]

25. It doesn't matter if there is support or not ...

Bush will continue to send kids over there to be killed. He will continue killing Americans and Iraqis until the country kowtows to American oil interests. What does he care what the American people think? Doen't affect him one way or the other. He's not up for election again.

[Karenina]

26. Bingo!

Just "focus groups" all of them naysayers. But like everything else the *dauphin has touched it's COLLAPSING into a heap of foul-smelling shit.

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