THE EARTHQUAKE WAS NOT MANMADE! Here's why:

[Deja Q]

Why would America disrupt its own CORPORATE investment in those countries who've been hit hard?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

1. That and the fact that its fucking absurd to say it was manmade!

:eyes:

[Deja Q]

4. Good point, but some people are indiscriminately saying it was...

corporate america may be vile and greedy, but they wouldn't do anything to threaten their power. Such disasters over there are far more of a threat to their power than anything else. Apart from peak oil, but that hasn't happened and that could be a sham too.

[jellybelly]

5. so people have already accused Bush

of causing the earthquake? He obviously didn't cause it...he would've made it occur on land, in Africa, cause he's a bigot.:eyes:

[fryguy]

2. who's suggesting the earthquake was manmade?

talk about taking conspiracy theories to a new extreme.....

:tinfoilhat:

[arcos]

3. there were several threads about it yesterday... n/t

[fryguy]

7. so people are saying plate tectonics is a GOP strategy?

seriously, i've heard some paranoid shit on DU in my time, but that has got to be at the top of the list....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. wel i guess congress are a bunch of tinfoilhatters too...

scroll down and read this clause: (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.


HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

[fryguy]

52. and he was running for the nomination?

wow...i wonder how fast this bill would have been paraded around by the repukes had he gotten the nomination?

[freeplessinseattle]

23. omg, how embarassing!

[arcos]

29. who said it's embarassing?

:wtf:

[GingerSnaps]

39. Are you kidding?

OMG That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard in my life. LOL I can't believe some of the BS that goes around.

Did they explain why they thought that it was man made?

[Goathead]

6. Ummm... how about this:

Humans aren't capable of doing things like moving continental crusts.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :donut: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Ummmmmmmmm... Donuts!

[Maple]

8. Ahem...you have no idea what triggered it

so please stop claiming you do.

And it doesn't have to be America you know.

The US is not the only country in the world.

[fryguy]

15. the "trigger"

was the sudden release of built of pressure between the many plates that comprise the indian ocean basin and the area of the south-east asia. these plates are in constant motion above a layer of magma. when they move, the released energy causes an earth quake.....

to hypothesize that humans could either cause, or prevent, such geologic episodes as earthquakes of such a magnitude suggests that one is paying more attention to the movies (think Superman for using a nuclear weapon or James Bond for pumping salt water into the crust to produce an earthquake) than science and reality.....

:tinfoilhat:

[uncle ray]

26. being you mentioned it...

the james bond thing is based on fact. i posted links in a few of the "CT" threads. go google it yourself. try " brine pumping earthquake"

mandatory disclaimer: i'm not saying we caused the 9.0 earthquake, but other, smaller ones.

[T Town Jake]

48. Oh, I know exactly what "triggered it"...

...but then, I went to college and had a few geology courses once upon a time. It's called "Plate Tectonics". Higher Education is a wonderful thing, and comes in sooo handy when you least expect it...

[JVS]

9. FOR THE SAME REASON THEY CAME OUT WITH NEW COKE

[Deja Q]

13. I first thought that was a good point, but then the parallel only seems

good on the surface.

Selling a "new" crap-flavored drink and then reintroducing the old one back to an idiot public is one thing.

But how does the earthquake/tsunami scenario apply?

[JVS]

17. That's the sublime ambiguity of it all

Assuming the New Coke was the flop that it appeared to be, then the answer means that it was man-made but either accidental or the result of some scheme gone wrong.

If one subscribes to the theory that new coke was a ruse designed to drum up a frenzied demand for the regular old coke and win the cola war then it was a brilliant success. When people are writing death threats about what will happen to you if you don't let them buy your product you have found the best marketing technique ever. Similarly, those in economic power may have a way to extract more money out of the quake and it's aftermath, then they would have been able to otherwise. In other words the game is rigged and they know how to make money in all situations.

[Deja Q]

21. Aha... just like Oldsmobile said

it was going out of business; people then bought more of the mobile junkheaps, and the very following new-car-year Oldsmobile boasted about how great their sales were and acted as if they never considered the thought of going under.

I stand corrected; you make one hell of a good argument.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. ohh dear god....what kind of stupidity would lead one to believe

that this was man made...

[blue sky at night]

11. I know I am just another.......

300 post total dumb asses, but when did we get the power to create earthquakes that can wobble the earth's orbit, and move islands 60 feet to the left? I know also that I haven't been paying attention of late......did I miss something?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. tin foil hatters

[Rockerdem]

55. More likely they are disruptors trying to give liberals a bad name

The mods think that 5% of DU posts are freeper generated. They pull dirty tricks like this as part of their Roveian playbook.

[EmpireWeAre]

14. The fucking plates moved.

[fryguy]

16. end of story!

'nugh said

[SOteric]

18. I suppose it is remotely possible the quake and subsequent wave

were manmade. Possible, - but highly fucking improbable. Sort of like, -it's possible that a lion will come falling through the roof of my home any second now, injured, cranky, and anxious to do me harm. It's highly fucking improbable. But sure, it's remotely possible.

[depakid]

19. The fact that you even feel the need to post this

just goes to show how far America has sunk in the past 20 years.

Divest in education- and this is what happens. We fight creationism on the right and conspiracy theorists on the left.

[Deja Q]

20. The fact so many people before me felt the need to blame mankind

shows how little we trust one another by letting or less noble traits take us all over. (namely, greed.)

My post followed with your response (and those others that seem to have been rooted in common sense) are pebbles of sanity, sinking in the giant ocean of paranoia.

The worst part is, what if they're right?

[depakid]

22. Oh, I have no doubt that if mankind could manipulate

natural disasters then someone would- don't mistake my message on that.

It's just that the amount of energy released and the pressure it takes over time to create the conditions for a slip along the Sumatra subduction zone are so far beyond anything mankind will ever develop that you just have to shake your head when someone mentions it.

It would be like my cat pulling a freight train up a 4% grade.

[FREEDOMRULES3]

24. what if

indirectly it was man-made??? lets say we pump millions of gallons of oil out of the earth and replace it with millions of gallons of water? could this cause earthquakes?? why did 2 days apart 2 of the largest quakes on record occur? lmao j/k but you never know

[eyepaddle]

34. Okay, it's been awhile

since I took my structural geology class, but here we go.

First, yes it is true that humans have triggered earthquakes--in my classes the ones they told us about were near the Rocky Flats Nuclear Arsenal, this was a result of pumping waste into a deep injection well and locally increasing the pore fluid pressure.

Next changing the pore fluid (oil to water)could technically change the rock's response to stress--stress being the compressional/tensional forces applied to rock. However in comparison to the already present tectonic stress it would be EXTREMELY minor. Additionaly any effect could possibly make brittle failure less likely, albeit once again at a truly neglible level.

Next this is only relevant in an area which is already tectonically active, one oceanic plate is subducting beneath another--NOTHING will stop that until the earth's interior is to cold to allow for deformation and earth becomes geologically dead. Earthquakes in that region WILL continue.

To sum up, while human behaviour can have an effect, it didn't in this case.

[satori]

36. Geology question

I have a question. I have no knowledge of science at all other then a physics course I took in college. I was wondering if you can explain this article from the Coastal Post at http://www.coastalpost.com/96/4/5.htm . It says that underground nuclear explosions can have reactions such as hurricanes, volcanic activity, and earthquakes in all different parts of the globe.


For example, the Coastal Post:

French tests are now complete. What are the results.

After the Chinese test of August 17 and the French test of Sept. 5, there was a long series of hurricanes.

May 17, the Chinese test registered 6.1 ground zero, 16 hours later there was a 7.7 quake in the Indonesian triangle. Fourteen hours later there was a 6.5 aftershock.

Is the force hitting the earth's liquid core causing it to ricochet around inside the earth? The entire Ring of Fire has been activated since tests began.

[DrWeird]

37. No, no. Earthquakes are caused by the timecube.

www.timecube.com

It's on the internet, so it must be true.

[WoodrowFan]

50. ooh, I love the time cube!!!

my favorite "nut" site!

[Hard_Work]

59. replacing oil with water

wouldn't that actually REDUCE the stress on the plates? Due to the differences in viscosity?

[Rex]

25. What would it take to make an impact of 9.0?

Do we have the capabilities to change the Earths axis?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

27. Shucks... I told EVERYBODY at work that it was manmade.... n/t

[Ready2Snap]

28. 9.0 IQs

Oscar Wilde said: "I sometimes think that God, in creating Man, overestimated His ability."
This thread proves it!!!!
People, Get a life!!

[satori]

30. I said it is possible that underground nuke tests can cause earthquakes

I am not a scientist I was only giving a theory that it is possible that a underground nuke test could of caused the Asian disaster.

Why? Well most underground nuclear testing of nukes is difficult to detect and according to, the United States Secretary of Energy in 1993 the government disclosed in a report titled Radiological Effluents Released from United States Continental Tests, that the government conducted 204 previously top secret unannounced underground nuclear tests and simultaneous detonations which were never picked up by earthquake radars.

That is a fact the government itself says that those 204 underground nuke tests were secret and never detected by anyone which I would assume would include the Coast Guards earthquake radars. See http://www.osti.gov/html/osti/opennet/document/jan97/prcfacts.html

It has also been confirmed by the Air Force (which by the way I would assume it is their job to detect underground nuke explosions) that in its own government reports that most of the detection of underground nuclear tests is done by satellites and not by the Coast Guards Earthquakes radar that we are seeing everyday on TV. The Air force says in its report The Counterproliferation Papers Future Warfare Series No. 2 in 1999 that underground nuclaer testing in a hollowed out underground cavern is difficult to detect see http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm


And the The International Union of Geological Sciences says that underground Nuclear Explosions can cause earthquakes the world.

HUMAN OR NATURAL CAUSE: Earthquakes are predominantly natural events. However, shallow-focus seismic tremors can be induced by human actions that change near- surface rock stresses or fluid pressures. These actions include: extracting (or pumping back into the ground for storage or for secondary hydrocarbon recovery) water, gas, petroleum, waste fluids; mining or quarrying activities; and loading the surface with large water bodies (reservoirs). Underground explosions, particularly for nuclear testing, can also generate seismic events (earthquakes).See http://www.lgt.lt/geoin/doc.php?did=cl_seismicity

I would assume that to mean that a underground nuclear Blast in China could set off and earthquake in Alaska because the plates are all interconnected all around the world.See
http://www.coastalpost.com/96/4/5.htm


Then the Bush administration was recently given the green light in congress to do even more underground nuke testing with low yield nukes and Bill Moyers says this whole story was blacked out by the media see http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript314_full.html

[The Magistrate]

35. Absolutely Impossible, Mr. Satori

The detonation of a nuclear warhead under ground certrainly causes a seismic reaction, that is detectable by a seismograph. Your use of such a term as "earthquake radars" perhaps points to the problem you seem to have in understanding the impossibilty of what you propose. Seismographs are instruments that receive vibrations, and measure them, and a network of them can pinpoint the location of the origional shock that caused the vibration through calculations based on the intensity of the vibration sensed at the various points. A nuclear detonation underground that is small enough is sometimes difficult to detect precisely because it causes such a small amount of vibration, in relation to the degree of vibration caused by even a small earthquake. The amount of energy involved in a quake on the scale of this tragic occurance is difficult for the human mind to comprehend; the detonation of every atomic weapon in every arsenal of every nation in possession of such weapons, simultaneously, likely would not amount to a ten thousandth of the energy involved in a level nine Richter event. To imagine the detonation of a nuclear weapon, even one drilled deep into the crust along a fault line, could produce such an event is to imagine that if an automobile were at rest in neutral, and you came up behind it and threw an egg at the rear window, the impact would suffice to get it rolling....

[satori]

38. Geology question

I have a question. I have no knowledge of science at all other then a physics course I took in college. I was wondering if you can explain this article from the Coastal Post at http://www.coastalpost.com/96/4/5.htm ? It says that underground nuclear explosions can have reactions such as hurricanes, volcanic activity, and earthquakes in all different parts of the globe.


For example, the Coastal Post:

French tests are now complete. What are the results.

After the Chinese test of August 17 and the French test of Sept. 5, there was a long series of hurricanes.

May 17, the Chinese test registered 6.1 ground zero, 16 hours later there was a 7.7 quake in the Indonesian triangle. Fourteen hours later there was a 6.5 aftershock.

Is the force hitting the earth's liquid core causing it to ricochet around inside the earth? The entire Ring of Fire has been activated since tests began.

[The Magistrate]

42. There Is Nothing To Explain, Sir

The idea there is causation involved is foolish. It is a common enough fallacy. On any day, there are earthquakes; on some days, there are nuclear detonations: a person ignoring the first element notices that an earthquake occurs in some period after a nuclear detonation, and goes, "Ah-hah!" The purported connection with hurricanes is similar, except that it is only in particular seasons that hurricanes occur. And, as hurricanes are produced by the interaction of differing temperature air and water masses, there is not even a distantly plausible means by which the claimed cause could have the claimed effect.

The problem with what you seem to imagine occuring is that the causational force is so infitesimal in relation to what it must effect, and travel through to achieve that effect. You speak of the earth's liquid core, for example, but that is not liquid in the sense of an everyday thing like a glass of water. It is liquid in state, but incredibly dense, and under incredible pressures of gravity and the weight of overlaying material: it is super-compressed iron and nickle at an incredible heat. To propagate a wave through it would take incredible force, and a great deal of that force would be dissipated in moving enough of the medium to convey itself through the medium. The recent event illustrates the principle well: a few score miles from the epicenter, the shock propagating itself through water raised waves sveral dozens of feet high; a few thousand miles from the epicenter, it raised the ocean level a dozen or so inches, and this diference represents only the resisting power of water at normal oceanic densities. The shock at the epicenter, remember, was astronomically greater than any nuclear detonation.

[satori]

45. But

According to this article http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html the Ring of Fire is located at the borders of the Pacific Plate and other tectonic plates and that the Plates are like giant rafts of the earth's surface which often slide next to, collide with, and are forced underneath other plates. Around the Ring of Fire, the Pacific Plate is colliding with and sliding underneath other plates. This process is known as subduction and the volcanically and seismically active area nearby is known as a subduction zone. There is a tremendous amount of energy created by these plates and they easily melt rock into magma, which rises to the surface as lava and forms volcanoes.

If it so dense and stationary... then can you explain how that same force which you say is not liquid then how does it have the force to build volcanoes if it was so controlled by the dense rock? And if it is such a dense rock then it would not have the power to melt itself and become magma which rises to the surface as lava and form a volcano?

It seems to me that common sense is that if a volcano (or earthquake) is about to explode or even not about to explode and then someone digs holes into it and sets of nuclear explosions in it then the whole volcano (or earthquake) or earth could explode, or quake as did the Asia disaster

More article excerpts:

The "Ring of Fire" is an arc stretching from New Zealand, along the eastern edge of Asia, north across the Aleutian Islands of Alaska, and south along the coast of North and South America. It is composed over 75% of the world's active and dormant volcanoes.

This huge ring of volcanic and seismic (earthquake) activity was noticed and described before the invention of the plate tectonics theory. We now know that the Ring of Fire is located at the borders of the Pacific Plate and other tectonic plates.

Volcanoes are temporary features on the earth's surface and there are currently about 1500 active volcanoes in the world. About ten percent of these are located in the United States.

http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html

[The Magistrate]

46. Do, Sir, Please, Leave Off This Half-Digested Googling

Do you imagine volcanoes, or the subduction zone, engage the core of the earth? These are phenomenon related to the mantle, a layer on which it might crudely be said the crust floats, and within which the core lays.

What you are resolutely refusing to engage is the quantity of energy involved, and the necessity that the cause be proportionate to the effect. This recent quake moved thousands of cubic miles of rock many meters in a matter of seconds; do, please, devote your next round of rummaging the electronic attic to calculating the weight involved, and the energies required to affect it in that manner.

[satori]

60. But just another question

A senior scientist here on DU had this theory that he linked to here on DU which is similar to what I just said that the foundations of the planet we live on is not a dense rock as you say but more like a fluid process of liquid, rock and energy....

Here he says:

We use that as a cover, to prevent the widespread panic that would ensue if it were commonly known that their very foundations were not foundations at all, merely thin pieces of onionskin adrift on pools of molten lava.

He again says that the very foundations of the planet we live on are not foundations at all and are "merely thin pieces of onionskin adrift on pools of molten lava."

Excerpts from his website:

The Society for the Prevention of Plate Tectonics

A.k.a. SoPrePlaTec, and pronounced "soapy platex", is dedicated to the prevention of plate movements on planets. We attempt to use technology or any other useful means to prevent continental drift and the associated disastrous earthquakes and volcanoes.

Also, I must ask you to keep any knowledge of SPCD confidential. The world at large believes that oil companies are searching for gasoline for their Suburbans and Kawasakis, and for CO2 to keep the atmosphere warm. We use that as a cover, to prevent the widespread panic that would ensue if it were commonly known that their very foundations were not foundations at all, merely thin pieces of onionskin adrift on pools of molten lava.

http://www.wimble.org/SoPrePlaTec/preventionhome.html

[The Magistrate]

61. You Must Learn, Dear

When you are being had on. Hopefully any monies coming into your hands are in the control of persons able to make sounder judgements; if not, perhaps we could discuss investment opportunities....

Again, Dear, a more useful exercise for your electronic rummagings would be to acquaint yourself with basic datums of weight, gravitational pressures, and the like....

"It is wrong to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious."

[WillieWoohah]

49. You are dead right

The amount of energy involved in a quake on the scale of this tragic occurance is difficult for the human mind to comprehend; the detonation of every atomic weapon in every arsenal of every nation in possession of such weapons, simultaneously, likely would not amount to a ten thousandth of the energy involved in a level nine Richter event

A level 9 Richter event releases energy equivalent to 32 billion tons (32,000 Megatons) of TNT

http://www.themeter.net/sism_e.htm

The total destructive power of all the nuclear weapons in the world was equal to 12.3 billion tons (12,300 Megatons) of TNT as of 2000

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/wrjp205b.html

So there is no way this could be a man made event. But only by a factor of 1/3rd :)

[The Magistrate]

62. Thank You For Those Figures, Sir

Though one would think if all the nuclear weapons in the world had been gathered in one place and detonated, someone would have noticed the preliminaries.....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. read this: Space Preservation Act 2001 "tectonic weapons"

scroll down to: (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



----------------------------------------------------------------------

A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

and this:
http://www.inesap.org/bulletin20/bul20art17.htm

www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/articles/kucinichsupport.htm

[Uzybone]

51. LOL

Reason 34 why Kucinich could never have been elected president.

[bloom]

33. the trouble with your theory is....

people do not always/often realize/predict the consequences of their actions/creations.

New drugs, for instance.

At least the proposals I saw were not that anyone intended to create an earthquake. Just that actions may have had an unintended consequnce.

If anyone intended that - it would seem like some crazy shit out of a Batman movie.

[greblc]

40. Could Global Warming cause seismic activity?

[The Magistrate]

47. No, Sir

It cannot.

[Valerie5555]

41. Oh good, so it wasn't as if OSAMA BIN LADEN had an EARTHQUAKE MACHINE or

something. It probably would be really :scared:y if he did.

[ThoughtCriminal]

43. The ultimate futile cause

The Society for the Prevention of Plate Tectonics

.k.a. SoPrePlaTec, and pronounced "soapy platex"

http://www.wimble.org/SoPrePlaTec/preventionhome.html

[BeTheChange]

44. I mean.. Id buy the space alien story before Id buy man made

I dont think we are capable of doing something as awesome as this earthquake.

Id even bite on the deep impact asteroids.

But man made just requires too much tinfoil. Gives me headaches.

[librechik]

53. they're greedy and wicked--are they smart?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

why should they stop the flow of profits just because they might cause an earthquake? they haven't done a single thing to stop global warming, and THEY KNOW they're responsible. They are maliciously stupid pigs, not innocent business folk.

[underpants]

54. Hypno with all due respect

Shut up. This makes everyone here look like an ass.

[Rockerdem]

56. Bond Week on Spike TV has its bad side-effects

Some people should stick to Trading Spaces or something harmless.

[WoodrowFan]

57. they should have paid Dr Evil

his one meellliiooonn dollars!

[CabalPowered]

58. Of course not, Scalar Weapons were banned by the UN in the 70's

And we would never break a promise to the world. :eyes:

While I remain convinced that this is a natural tectonic event, I don't think we should be flaunting the treaty with the HAARP facility in Alaska.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

Out of curiousity, I checked the mag readings at HAARP for the last month... There were some nice spikes in transmission.. Enough to cause an 9.0 earthquake.. no.

http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/magnetometer/magchain.cgi

Update just Yellow Knife at 1000nT for a month.



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