What do Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have to say to the victims

[KlatooBNikto]

of the tsunami? That they are sinners and the wrath of God is striking them down?

I thought about this, and guess what, the people of Thailand, India, Bangladesh and other victims are so God fearing and innocent, they are likely to believe these charlatans.


Who can forget the lament of the Indian mother: Why has the Almighty taken my daughter away from me?

[mr_hat]

1. They'll say whatever it takes to further fleece their flocks.

[Nightwing]

2. Convert and donate

That would be my guess for those two hypocrites.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. mine too

i will give you clean water if you promise to worship christ and christ only!

[Bluzmann57]

3. Maybe a better question would be

What are those two and others like them doing to HELP the victims? They preach the word of "God" so here's a chance to put their money where their mouths are, so to speak and help these people.

[KlatooBNikto]

6. Why not ask their favorite man, Bush, to stop the war and lead the effort

for a massive world wide relief for the victims of Asia and Iraq?

[Sporadicus]

4. I Was Watching Democracy Now! Today

A news video showed a tsunami victim being lowered into the grave. On top of the casket was a Christian cross. I suspect Pat & Jerry would still find some fault with this person, even though Christian. I imagine that the person lived a more Christian life than Pat & Jerry combined.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. To a point yuo are wrong, and before yuo call me a racist

let me explain.

MOST of the victims are NOT christian or white... so you think Robertson and Fallwell care?

I may add, they are not so innocent or god fearing, in a western way that is. Most of these people are either Muslim or Bhudist, so they will channel their pain in other ways.

How we, as a nation, react to this will either give fodder to their fanatics or not... but these people are NOT children. That is a nice assumption coming down the years from the height of Colonialism that it actually brought a smile to my face...

[politicaholic]

9. you're high.

[KlatooBNikto]

11. You are wrong.Most of the victims in India and Thailand are Hindus,

the ones in Sri Lanka are a mix of Buddhists and Hindus. Very few Muslims are involved here.So, what if they were Muslims?In what way are they not innocent?

What do you mean "will give fodder to their fanatics or not"? Please explain.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. can you say Malasya

and the African Coast?

I knew you could

[KlatooBNikto]

16. Most of the victims so far are from India, Thailand and Sri Lanka.

So what if many were Muslims?Is that your beef? Why?In what way are they less or more innocent than anyone else?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. No my beef is the

these people are children... they are not, the attitude of the original post reminded me of many writings during the height of colonialism.

Now that this is clear...

Care to spell Malasya? What about the West Coast of Africa?

This is a disaster of biblical proportions, no pun intended

Some will interpret this as God \ Gods are angry... others will scream WHY ME?

Finally recovery for the area will require billions of dollars, actualy close to a trillion. This is the largeest relief effort in modern history... and I am all for it, but with no Neo Colonial attitudes thrown in... just help becuase that is what is the humane thing to do, with no reference to skin color, creed or national origin, or for that matter gender.

Oh and as to fanatics... let me explain something... actually recomend a book. "The Age of Sacred terror."

We have our fanatics, in teh guise of Falwell and Robertson, tehy do have their fanatics, OBL comes to mind, but so do many others. How we as the west act during this disaster may give fodder to religious fanatics in the Muslim World as well as Hindu... just a little knowledge of the area, and fundamentalism is also on the rise among Hindu due to Kashmir

[KlatooBNikto]

21. Where do you see in my post I call these people children? Where do

you see anything resembling colonial attitude in my post? You set up straw men and knock them down?
Now explain once again what do you mean by saying we give fodder to their fanatics? And why are you singling out the religions of the victims, as if it is important.

Yours is probably the most reprehensible post I have ever seen on DU.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Here yuo go

I thought about this, and guess what, the people of Thailand, India, Bangladesh and other victims are so God fearing and innocent, they are likely to believe these charlatans.

____________________________

You may not have noticed but a year of studying Colonialism jumped at me. Children after all would believe these charlatans, not adults... it was implied.

;-)

Oh and by the way as a Red Cross Worker religion has no place in relief... that is one thing I learned.

That is beyond respecting LOCAL traditions regarding food, burial and grief.. or are you going to send ham to Malasya?

;-)

By the way, during the Mexico City earthquake we saw some food that was quite not adecuate for our local needs, such as oh pickled hering.

[KlatooBNikto]

24. I know these places quite well and the coastal regions where these

people live is populated by some of the poorest people on earth.Their belief in the power of the almighty is sometimes unnerving to one schooled in Western thought. For you to put an interpretation not warranted is beyond belief.And for you to claim it gives fodder to these fanatics is downright despicable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I know that,

by the way... if yuo cannot see how a fanatic like oh Osama bin Ladin can use this disaster to advance his cause, but you can see Falwell and Robertson having any influence, I feel sorry for you. there is a far better chance that OBL, or the many others like him, will be listened by the people. Hence OUR COLLECTIVE response (regardless of national origin or religoous belief) can go a long way in diminishing that effect.

natural disasters, regardless of where tehy happen, can be a place for a people to channel their anger.

I guess that you already knew that.

By the way, if you think I am wrong in thinking that OBL, or anybody like him, will try to take advantage... we are free to disagree...

Oh and I am using OBL as an example of a person MORE likely to have an effect, and even him has few prospects... I will give far better chances to local leaders.


Oh and by the way, I do not find you despicable, even if yuo think I am...

:-)

Quite honestly I don't give a hoot and I also understand that this medium leads to many misunderstandings, but yuo are reaching a conclusion based on the heat of the moment.

I am not, I took your post exactly as written... it did remind me of many writings at the early part of the 20th century. The word child has not to be used to be implied.

;-)

So with no further we are free to disagree, at least taht freedom has not been taken away yet...

[KlatooBNikto]

26. The Hindus and Buddhists of East and South Asia would rather burn in hell

before they listen to Bin Laden.And why is it even important when our task is to alleviate the suffering of the people there? The last thing I would be worried about right now would be to think about Osama Bin Laden. As for Jerry falwell and Pat Robertson, they are on record as saying the hurricanes that hit our east coast a few years ago are likely to hit New York because of the rampant homosexulaity in those parts. That is why I raise this issue.

So, a tsunami gives fodder to the fanatics.Do you have a way of stopping it, may be?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Re read

I used OBL as an example... fundamentalism is also rising among Hindu... and you are the one making this an issue. I said, that our response or lack off will be assesed by the people and may lead to the rise of even more extremism.

This is based on COLONIAL HISTORY and relations between people.

I did not say DON'T help, quite the contrary. You are reading whatever you want to read... so I bid you a good day.

[Taxloss]

32. Malaysia. EAST Coast. Strewth.

eom

[mr_hat]

17. Can you spell Malaysia?

I knew you could.

[KlatooBNikto]

19. I think she is looking for "terraists" among the victims of the tsunami.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Read above, and by the way, yuo are looking for a

flame war?

the one with the neo colonial attitude is you

[MnFats]

7. at some point they are SURE to note that no 'Christian'...

...nations were hit.
Hal Lindsey (late great planet earth, the hokey rapture books) is already declaring on his website that this portends Jesus' return.

[nascarblue]

8. Of course that is what they'll say!

To get a real good look at the inner workings of Falwell and the Christian jihadists...check out this link...

http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/liberty.wmv

[NightTrain]

10. Has anyone posted this quote from (I believe) a Sri Lankan man?

Heard it today on FREE SPEECH RADIO NEWS:

"I lost my wife, my children, my house, and my livelihood. Why should I live?"

God, those poor people.... :cry:

[celestia671]

12. That doesn't surprise me at all...

Didn't they say that about 9/11? What comes from the mouths of these so called 'Men of God' is not what Christianity is all about. True Christians are compassionate to all who suffer whether they're Christian, Jewish, Islamic, whatever.
The Bible speaks about false prophets, esp in Revalations. I think Falwell and Robertson could easily fall into that category!

[mr_hat]

13. Also, they'll raise funds to send the victims bibles.

[Nikepallas]

14. This is why I lost faith in all organize religions.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. This is why I lost faith in all organize religions

religions have found their way to becoming a business. Sad but true.

[BeTheChange]

29. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell arent christians.

You cant paint people with such a wide brush. Us christians out here arent glad people of any skin tone are dead anywhere in the world.

Think about if I based my belief of the democratic party on Zell Miller.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. i dont think the poster was at all condemning all christians

just the 2 mentioned crazies

[KlatooBNikto]

31. Very good point. At this point the skin color and the religions of the

victims are totally irrelevant issues. Getting help to them is the only thing that should matter.And our best relief agaencies are populated by the best among us.