Am I a Socialist because I don't like Bush and the War

[MaryH]

and the fact that we are spending so much money killing people and so little helping out?

I was just told that I should vote socialist because of my views.

I don't think I'm a socialist. I think I'm a Democrat.

With the money we spend in Iraq in 3 months we could completely put the countries hit hardest back together again. Is that such a bad thing to hope for?

I get so confused.

[MercutioATC]

1. I think that makes you a terraist....

I'm telllllling......


;)

[MaryH]

3. A terrorist or a Communist. I expect that will be next.

I'm sorry. But this man is a disgrace to the office of the presidency. Actually he is a disgrace to the whole human world.

[MercutioATC]

17. Agreed Unfortunately, we seem to be stuck with him for a while.

His biggest danger is free thinkers, so is it any wonder he's do what he could to cast them in a bad light?

[Sannum]

2. You hate America!

;)

[Skittles]

4. I'll rephrase it a bit differently

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, MARY??? :o

[Ken Burch]

12. Actually Mary,

No, you're not a Socialist. However, I AM a Socialist(NOT because of Bush, because of most of the Twentieth Century) and if you ever want to join the movement, you're more than welcome. If not, no hard feelings.

People have been called socialists just for supporting civil rights, unions a clean environment, or opposing wars, homophobia or any other form of injustice.

The British would have called Thomas Paine and possibly Thomas Jefferson "socialists" if the term had existed.

The Romans would have called Jesus one, and may in fact have called him whatever the equivalent term was in Latin, Classical Greek or Aramaic.
(we'll never know, since Mel Gibson wasn't filming that day...)

So, basically, there are worse things to be called. Far worse.

Like say, a Satanist. Or a Texas Republican.

(Tomorrow, I'll be having the funeral mass for my wife, who died a proud Irish American Socialist. Keep me in your thoughts, if you get a chance)

[MaryH]

14. You better believe I will be right there in my thoughts.

I go to Mass every morning so I will just say an extra prayer.

God Bless.

[Ken Burch]

26. Thank you, Mary

And hold firm to your principles.

[XanaDUer]

5. Well, I had a relative tell me

that I, "support terrorism and beheadings" for the same reason, so I guess you're a socialist.

[bunkerbuster1]

6. Shoot, the Freeper morans have been calling me "socialist" for years now

They have no idea what "socialism" means, of course; they just think it's a nifty insult, and that anyone who believes in using gov't to accomplish ANYTHING beyond military victories and paving over wetlands must surely be a socialist.

So to answer your question, no, of course not. You might be a socialist, but it'd have nothing, zero, zilch to do with the reasons you cited.

Heck, a Socialist could (technically) be rip-roarin' in favor of the war in Iraq, and in favor of ending all foreign humanitarian aid.

[colonel odis]

7. whoever called you a "socialist," yet backs bush, is who's confused.

just as you can't vote republican and be truly christian, you can't support the increase in the increased size or role of govt. bush has implemented and call someone else a socialist.

but hey, republicans aren't exactly known for their smarts.

[youngred]

8. Nah

you have a long way to go for that comrade.

[JimmyJazz]

9. I'm a socialist. Why do you feel insulted?

:shrug:

[fob]

10. No.

Now I have a question for you. Aren't those that support the ending of separation of church and state, and in fact want an established religion aspect to OUR government in reality SOCIALIZING religion?

bush* rebiblicans are in essesnce SOCIALISTS on the religion front. Yet those that actually are in control of the government are FASCISTS. bush* has actually kept aa promise and united the worst aspects of 2 fundamentally opposed ideologies! he*s created FUNDAMENTALIST SOCIALIST FASCISTS!

[MsTryska]

13. dude you're totally right.

they are socialists.


and not the good kind.

[MsTryska]

11. That depends.

do you believe in redistributing wealth so that everyone gets a piece?



what i would have said to the person who said you should ave voted socialist:


*with a very innocent look* - what does redistributing private wealth have to do with wasting gobs of money on a war? if anything i would think restricting government spending would make me a republican. huh. and then....

jsut walk away.

[madrchsod]

15. no you are a traitor

i know it`s confusing and that is why i listen to rush and sean. everything is clear when i listen to them. bush-defender of the american way and everyone else-traitors

[keith the dem]

16. Bush is the socialist

-Huge government expenditures to the Pentagon
-His SS plan will have government people deciding where to invest that money.
-Nearly all his campaign stops last year to promote the private investment were done at companies that supply the pentagon, WHERE THE ONLY CUSTOMER IS THE GOVERNMENT.

[JimmyJazz]

18. Bush is not a socialist - he's a fascist.

There are a lot of socialists on this forum, myself included - your definition of socialism IMHO is wrong.

Socialists want a government that is based on the bests interests of the PEOPLE not on the bests interests of Halliburton and Enron.

[youngred]

19. He is a socialist, a national socialist

he's a corporatist in that he takes the wealth of people to redistribute to companies rather than to people. Socialism most simply, is any government involvement in the economy. Socialists as a political ideology are different than socialism purely defined or defined in the typical Democratic Socialist or marxist models

[bpilgrim]

22. national socialist == fascist - Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.

The politics of Nazism

The political right is popularly associated with the following principles. Of course, it goes without saying that these are generalizations, and not every person on the far right believes in every principle, or disbelieves its opposite. Most people's political beliefs are complex, and cannot be neatly pigeonholed. This is as true of Hitler as anyone. But since the far right is trying peg Hitler as a leftist, it's worth reviewing the tenets popularly associated with the right. These include:

• Individualism over collectivism.
  
• Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
  
• Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.
  
• Merit over equality.
  
• Competition over cooperation.
  
• Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
  
• One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
  
• Capitalism over Marxism.
  
• Realism over idealism.
  
• Nationalism over internationalism.
  
• Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.
  
• Meat-eating over vegetarianism.
  
• Gun ownership over gun control
  
• Common sense over theory or science.
  
• Pragmatism over principle.
  
• Religion over secularism.
  

more...
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[youngred]

24. easy there, I know that

but a socialist doesn't necessarily mean a leftist. He was a right wing socialist.

[bpilgrim]

28. just pass'n the word

btw: do you mean like the DLC?

"He was a right wing socialist."

:shrug:

peace

[youngred]

30. lol

nah the DLC are moderates who care about money and business more than social issues

[DelawareValleyDem]

29. I love Kangas' Web Page

I use the facts in his economic essays to annoy freepers.

[rman]

25. definition of socialism:

A theory or system of ownership of the means of production and distribution by society rather than by individuals.
(thanks MaryH)

Mix it with radical democracy and a constitution that mentions inalienable rights and such, and you've got what i think would be a near perfect model.
It is completely opposed to the hoarding of wealth that we see in radical capitalism that we have these days, yet it facilitates reward in proportion to labor/effort.
But not ludicrous wealth like making a million a year and having a billion in the bank, or lots more still - nobody can work that hard. It's simply a matter of not allowing exploitation.
Although non of it is going to work if to many people think it's none of their business - but that's what decades of political deceit does to people.

[keith the dem]

20. You are right

I stand corrected

[rman]

21. oh sure, Bush is left-wing

What you're describing closer to fascism, as in "corporatism" - a merger of state and corporate power. which is in a way an extreme form of capitalism because only a few really benefit while the majority lives from paycheck to paycheck, at best.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. do you even know what a socialist is?

[whistle]

23. Not exactly, those of us who oppose Bush and the war....

...are looked at as traitors and not real Americans. By default that makes us un-American socialists. My response, I still will oppose an illegal war that was declared by a pretender president under false pretenses.

[VaYallaDawg]

27. You ain't no soshulist Mary.

Yore just one of them uppity, prickly, picky intellekshuals always tryin' to unnerstan' sh*t. Now drink your KoolAid and shut up!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. i am a socialist. whats wrong with being an socialist?

[LSK]

33. you just found this out? ive been a socialist since 2002 apparently

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. The other way around for me. I am a socialist, so I don't like the war.

Or Boobya.