Republicans are Ashamed. Or something; strange vibe.

[patcox2]

I am serious. The zeitgeist, the vibe, the feeling in the air, is "well, he's reelected, umm, yay, I guess." Really, is there any widespread feeling in this country that is at all positive, even from republicans? The only ones crowing and apparently overestimating themselves are the fundamentalist yahoos, but like most retards they are easily excitable, and they are not a serious group, even to republicans like Bush they are just a bunch of morons who have to be bought off for the support they give.

I am serious here, I know many republicans, can't say I know one who is celebrating Bush's win, they're sorta quiet, defensive about Bush even before I criticize. I get the impression its tiring work coming up with all the rationalizations, they actually spend a good deal of time sitting around wracking their brains to find some reason be able to say something good about Bush or even to defend him.

Look at today's spin, "he's not Clinton," thats defensive and negative in tone, thats the tone of a guy on the run, not a guy who just won reelection and is triumphant.

I think Bush is done, he is a lame duck already, his Social Security reform proposal is almost dead, and he has already admitted defeat on "tax simplification," and these are the two crowning issues he was going to accomplish this year. The obvious reason the issues are dying is because they are seeing from their polling that the public wants none of it, and wants out of Iraq, too, and 49% approval is pretty dismal.

he is toast, he is a lame dead duck already, and they know it, and thats why they are so consistently glum and defensive.

[diddlysquat]

1. We can only hope... n/t

[indigobusiness]

2. Excellent point...

Ass-covering is reaching alarming proportions.

[coloradodem2005]

3. Well then, lets keep him there.

I want to make these next four years a living nightmare for Bush.

[unpossibles]

11. I prefer to think of it as "the next few months"... n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

23. I'm with you, CODem. We should do everything.....

in our power to make his sorry ass as miserable as possible for the next four years! :evilgrin:

[bo44]

53. I'll do my part n/t

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[jdj]

15. now if all a sudden they start conceding and demanding recounts

in places they stole victories, then we'll know for sure.

It's because the first big plan is to screw with soc. sec, and after medicare's rip off last November, they can't afford to alienate their seniors base again.

And they are realizing Iraq is a political disaster from here on out, and they only people that DON'T give a dame are the eviljailandkill christians and bloodsucking fundie vampires, to everyone else, this is a big screw up, and now they have no one to pin the blame on.

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[annabanana]

30. He is the most irresponsible steward of out treasure

(both human and monetary) that we have ever had!

Welcome WithStamina! We have a lot of Republican members here who have been pushed out of their party!

:toast:

[rfranklin]

5. Yes, but be wary of the cornered rat...

That's when they become most dangerous. (With apologies to all rats because deep down they are not as evil as Bush.)

[jdj]

6. yes, honey, it's time to slap on the "Don't Blame me" bumper stickers.

Iraq is going to hell, Bush is lollygagging around a ranch when tens of thousands of people are being buried in mass graves, and it is sinking in that to blame this war on the democrats means they will have to drag it out for 4 more years of bad press.

And Bush was probably on a bender last week, just sobered up enough to speak in public.

[Atman]

27. Don't blame me?

Slap 'em on!




Dont Blame Me if You Dont Have a New Bumper Sticker!

[calimary]

48. Great stickers! I want one, too.

If you ride around with one on your car, I guarantee you'll start getting questions from people, wondering where they can get one.

It's a BIG scab, folks. Needs picking. BIGTIME picking - so it can fester...

[Just Me]

28. I want one of those,...I want a "Don't Blame Me!" bumper sticker.

Where can I order one?

[R3dD0g]

31. Click on the link

I will vouch for this store. They're quick, economical and go the extra mile to let you know exactly what's happening with your order.

[Caoimhe]

7. Let's pray he is impotent

in getting any of his extremist agenda through. I know what you mean. My parents are repukes, and they (for the first time) are completely silent about the election outcome. It's like they are waiting for the other shoe to fall, whatever that analogy means.

:nuke:

[InvisibleBallots]

8. We need to keep reminding everyone - they run the whole government

They run the WH, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court, most state Governors and Legislatures. They have an openly pro-Republican TV network. They can't blame it on "liberals" anymore and they know it.

Time to rub it in!

[gatorboy]

9. He may be done,

But this lame duck still has four years...four looong years...

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[Sparkly]

12. Where's "here?" n/t

[MARALE]

37. "Here"

Is in beachgrl60's shrine, you can tell from her posts she worships *.

[comsymp]

13. You make a good point, albeit probably unintentionally.

[jdj]

19. I agree on that one point.

I do deliveries all over Union, Mecklinburg, Anson and Gaston County, and all of a sudden I am seeing W stickers EVERYWHERE. Before the election, it was equal between Bush and Kerry although I did see more Kerry/Edwards yard signs. These are people who just put stickers on, they only did this after Bush rigged his victory.

[SoCalDem]

14. Even a lame duck...with powerful weapons... can do much damage n/t

:(

[enough]

16. Nope, they're just busy divvying up the spoils.

Four years to drag out the trees in the name of "forest health," four years to get those mining deals set up, four years to ...

Just quietly looting.

[GetTheRightVote]

17. * shamed us all with the Asia Event, 100,000 estimated dead & he

strolls around his ranch, he sucks all to holy hell, I hate repubs because of this one man and his posse, they all suck for me the rest of my natural life, I can not stand that party, they smell of him, may they all go straight to you know where, just an angry moment going on, but what does anyone got to do for this man to treat them right ?????????????????????????????????? I mean evening dying is not enough to get his notice, even in 9/11 he acted like he did not care but this is frosting to that cake, I hope he ends up in a situation just like those poor souls.

:kick:

I will dance on his grave when that time comes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quaoar]

18. In 4 years, Iraq will either be

a quagmire for which a few thousand more American troops have given their lives while we continue to train an Iraqi army that will never be able to assume control.

Or...

An Islamic fundamentalist state.

Or....

Emboiled in a nasty and ongoing civil war.

[DemGa]

20. He's in power because of fear

Repubs have to know the country is divided, no cause for joy.

[OhioBlue]

21. I am also seeing some of the same

The reasons I have heard for people voting for *:
"Teresa talked too much"
"If Kerry would've picked someone other than Edwards..."
"If Kerry would've spoke like he did in his concession speech..."
"If Kerry would've explained his positions better...."
my favorite: "I don't trust Michael Moore"

Not a lot have articulated a position for *. I've been scratching my head so much, I'm losing hair. Sooooo sad. :(

[onecitizen]

24. I also heard..........

quietly today that they are going to re-think their Middle East policies. Instead of gangbusters, they are going to go for small, little rewards to help change the ME. Ya think they mean it? Ha!

[Just Me]

25. I think they're worried that,...we could be right about Busholini.

Will he destroy SS while simultaneously enriching the rich?

Will he continue his war march across the ME forcing a draft?

Will he cut programs that benefit all Americans while succeeding to destroy a fair/progressive tax system?

Will he squeeze the elderly and impoverished to the point of imposing death sentences?

Will he create an environment stewing towards another depression?

Will he further destroy basic constitutional and civil liberties?

Will he incite a revolution, here, at home?

Will he fail to stop another major terrorist attack?

Will he continue to contaminate the air we breath and water we drink?

Will he exploit public wealth and funnel further funds into the military-corporate complex?

Will he push our fragile democracy into full-fledged fascism?



Hell, they have reason to be concerned. Denial only covers truth for short-term benefit. The next four years could demise the Republican party.

[journalist3072]

26. Buyer's regret, with no possibility of returning the purchase.

They should feel ashamed.

[bpilgrim]

29. vibe is all we got

everything else has gone their way so i'll believe it when i see it, though i certainly hope so but thats how i felt before fraud04 now i'm determined to speak up even MORE to make sure folks learn about the neoCONs plans for our and our children's future.

peace

[Zooza]

33. I only know one

I only know one person who voted for Bush and for the first time in her life she volunteered (!) on Christmas day to help at the local soup kitchen. Trying her hardest to sell to me the compassionate conservative image. It's pathetic but I guess for one day in her life she got down to the nitty gritty.
I'm sure she took a long bath afterwards.

[fob]

32. That's not necessarily a good thing. I want him to stay a lame duck,

not become a scapegoat. Let him* remain a lame duck and take the heat while the real powers that be (cheney et al) are still there. They won't hesitate to throw the crawford "faux"boy overboard if he* becomes a liability that prevents their new world disorder from being implemented.

[captain_change]

34. I get the same

For my first post since the latest theft, my Republican friends are showing big time buyer remorse. I had one tell me how he didn't have to justify his vote because he live in New Jersey and it didn't matter. I told him "bull shit" you elected him, he is yours

[Pushed To The Left]

35. I've noticed that too.

Not only that, but it seems like the far right has gotten angrier and more bitter since the election. It's like they know the pendulum might be about to swing the other way...HARD!!

[patcox2]

49. Thats a great point, they are even more angry and defensive in victory

Whats up with that? Its not the actions and not the message of a confident winner. I am convinced the majority of republicans just aren't happy with Bush, if not actually disgusted by him or afraid of how bad he'll fuck up.

The general tone of republicans I know (all moderates) is like they wince when they watch him, they are tense and full of fear of what stupid thing hs will do next, they act like inside they are constantly thinking to themselves "please god don't let the idiot fuck up and embarrass me." And that could explainntheir continued anger, the continued resurrection of Clinton's penis, the continual creation of divisive non-issues to keep the baying mob (the cultural conservatives, the religious right) frothed up, like the "put the christ in christmas" idiocy we just witnessed.

I really think they are sorta shocked and scared of what they have done, electing a sociopathic moron to the highest office.

[sundog]

36. he's gotten out of some hot water thus far, but I don't think

he's going to be able to live down this latest fuck up

bike riding huh? 4 fucking days :grr:

[Malva Zebrina]

38. It's either one of two things

Look at today's spin, "he's not Clinton," thats defensive and negative in tone, thats the tone of a guy on the run, not a guy who just won reelection and is triumphant

Either he, and his "aides" have no confidence in this asshole, because if they were really confident in this idiot they would not have to be so defensive, or they are working to turn America forever against all Democrats--perhaps even Hillary Clinton, who is a definate threat down the road.

It could be adding fuel to fire, now that he has control of virtually every governmental institution. The fire is, of course, to destroy the Democratic party, and we know there are nore than a few well known, Democrats who are willing to cross over and kiss his ass, thereby causing more erosion to the party.

[Robbien]

42. Yes, the Democratic Party is kissing BushCo's feet

They have bought into the idea that most Americans are Republican and have conservative ideas. Look at the most recent nomination Reid/Pelosi put up for the chair.

The Democratic Party heads have no idea of the mindset of the people in the party. They are only interested in protecting their own fiefdom of lobbyists.

[mitchum]

39. Wish this were true, but I find it hard to believe that they can feel ANY

type of shame

[Smirking_Chimp]

40. Chimps Wimps

I work with a lot of Chimps Wimps, and they say they are afraid of terrorism, and like Baby Chimpy's policies, strong on defence. Peace thru stength. Bumper sticker logic.
I was born and brainwashed republican, until I came to realize I was defending lies. Eventually I switched to Democrat, but it took a lot of soul-searching, and I'm not sure the Wimps can do it.
At my Christmas party this year, they brought their children, and when the boys do something bad they call them "feminists" as a derogatory term. More brainwashing.

[lostnfound]

41. Ashamed, yes; lame, no.

Well at least not in the political sense of the word.

[xchrom]

43. i guess i'm the only one to disagree

they are not sorry at bush's next four years in office -- they are ecstatic.
however they are all republicans and to one degree or another -- language challenged.
they dragged ''clinton'' out for two simple reasons -- a. they really do hate him that much.
b. they were afraid clinton had upstaged the barborous little bastard in crawford with his comments regarding an international coodinated effort re: the tsunami.
and viola! -- look what happens -- there is one, as if la bush had thought it up.

republicans are disciplined, driven and they have several missions to complete -- to think this is a fault line is to misread the terriotory.

[King Coal]

44. Yes, I have noticed that too.

[ChairOne]

45. I think the hicks and bigots largely didn't/don't like bush...

... as he gives stupid a bad name, thus making hicks and bigots look even worse - even a hick or bigot can appreciate that....

Unfortunately however, the chance to "stick it" to literate people was just too tempting for them to pass up...

They're like little kids - brazen acts of meanness just to be mean. They know perfectly well that it's wrong, and they're pissed that people keep calling them on it. Just like children, it never occurs to them to, um, stop being mean...

[hansolsen]

55. Thanks - you are right as rain. Their malicious. N/T

[G_j]

46. It occurred to me before the election

that I was not seeing many Bush bumper stickers driving in 'red' NC. I actually noticed more Kerry stickers. I had the thought that Bush voters were not very enthusiastic, perhaps even embarrassed to advertise their support of *.

[roguevalley]

47. I agree. Alaska is a libertarian/repug state and NO ONE is

talking about him, the election or crowing. NO ONE. Its damned eerie. I agree.

[patcox2]

50. I really find it eerie, like its a bad dream.

It seems to me almost like a mass state of cognitive dissonance. Like our entire society has been deluding itself about the truth of this moron, and everyone is all at once nearing the breaking point where they cannot keep deluding themselves and rationalizing and making excuses. I sense a fragility, that just one event, one serious gaffe, one more disaster in Iraq (the disaster that this "election" will be could be it), or even just one strong voice speaking up like the boy in "the emporer's new clothes" and saying "But he's naked," and everyone will actually be releived that the truth is out.

I think many republicans are like criminals who are not necessarily overcome by feelings of guilt, but just tired out by the effort and stress of living a lie, so they suddenly confess just to feel peace and freedom from the tension.

[phylny]

51. My dad,

who is 77 years wise, said this to me the day after the election

"Mark my words, in a few months, or in a year, Republicans and others are going to be denying that they voted for Bush. They're going to be too embarrassed."

Have I mentioned that I really love my dad?

:loveya:

[DrZeeLit]

57. And when they come, hat in hand, and say they blew it....

what will we say?
My son wants to turn his back. He's that mad.
He wants to say, "You did it. Now you have to live with it."
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to die because of those votes.
Sad, very sad.
I agree with your dad wholeheartedly.

[Dulcinea]

52. My theory

Boy George et al. needed the fundies to get elected.

Therefore, the fundies feel that this administration owes it to them to implement their social agenda...outlaw abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.

That's not gonna happen. Boy George couldn't care less about social issues; his only agenda is tax cuts for the wealthy & more & more wars to further enrich his defense contractor supporters at the expense of the American taxpayers.

He's afraid of the inevitable shitstorm that will ensue once the fundies & rednecks who voted for him ("Democrats will take my guns!")catch on to this. And you can bet Falwell, Robertson, & their ilk won't hesitate to point this out.

He's also afraid of Shitstorm Part 2 that will happen when the middle-class Repub voters find out how badly they've been had.

[gorbal]

54. They turned off the hypno-memetron.

They only needed people hypnotized until the election. They have control over the entire country now, snap as much as you want.

I just hope that people realize that they ARE responsible for what happens from now on, everyone is. Not because they bought something once at JC Penney a year ago, or that they buy their gas from haliburton, or even because they voted for Bush, but because they live on this planet as an intelligent and aware human being.

[Katidid]

56. but like most retards they are easily excitable, they are not a serious

I disagree with your here .... the folks I have met who voted for * are very calm, simply saying "I voted for him because he is a Christian" and "People who didn't vote for him are not Christians". It is very disconcerting - I had to get up and leave the dinner table....

[Stinky The Clown]

58. Most voters are of the knee-jerk, uninformed, sheeple variety

On both sides of the political spectrum there are voters who simply vote like they always did with little in the way of real information or real consideration. They get out and do some rah-rah stuff long about election day, but it is more akin to Super Bowl home town cheering by people who wouldn't know a sacrifice bunt from a quarterback sack.

They vote one way or another largely based on old, hard to break habits. People who are informed (more or less like us) are the chorus who are heard the loudest and who's voices are magnified simply by the lack of any other voices.

There is no real outrage from the left because most of the left side voters are back to watching TeeVee reality shows or taking kids to soccer games. There's no real cheering from the right because most of the right side voters are doing the same. Without this support, the right wing "voices" are speaking into an echo chamber .... and getting silence, at best, or negativity, at worst, as their feedback.

And so the whole country is in this state of ennui.

When Saint Ronald was elected, there was actual support for *him* and people reacted in an appropriate way. When Clinton was elected, if for no other reason than the sheer power of his charisma, people reacted appropriately.

With Great Leader Chimpus Khan, it truly is all smoke and mirrors. From the campaign's staged rallies, to the presstitutes' constant puffery, it is all appearances and no substance. Republicans voted for King Khan simply because they could not conceive of voting for a Democrat. It had little to do with Chimpus the man. I dare say no one, not his most loyal supporter, not his most ardent admirer, sees him for much more than we see him - a small man in a powerful position who was put there by others based on no merit.

His average voter was the middle American, low tax, what's-good-for-business-is-good-for-me-because-I-get-to-keep-my-job, I-want-to-feel-like-a-rich-person-so-I'll-vote-Republican person.

It was all knee jerk. No real support. And certainly no strong, visceral support. The fundies supported god and would have voted for anyone who says they do too, no matter the reality. The dumbass voters voted their habit, not reality, the hard line hawks voted war, not Bush, per se. And at the end of the day, these are naturally opposing forces cobbled into a coalition of sorts that gave each of them what they **thought** they wanted.

Now they're seeing reality.

And they're not too happy about it.

But since they got what they wished for, they're trying to learn to like it ..... and they find they simply can't.

h2s