Just saw something chilling on CNN

[sans qualia]

There's a guy on now talking about how US pharmaceutical companies are "leading the way" in providing disaster relief for southeast Asia, donating millions of dollars in money and medicines. What are the odds that they use this opportunity to make unwitting guinea pigs out of the survivors? :scared: Thousands upon thousands of test subjects for whatever new drugs they're working on... am I being paranoid?

[xultar]

1. I've been duley corrected by others on the board Pfhizer does not make

Vioxx.

I'm eternally SORRY.

[bahrbearian]

9. They got to dump it some where.

[still_one]

13. PFE doesn't make vioxx

and they did not try to cover up studies like the Merck CEOs, so make sure you understand who you are critisizing

[xultar]

19. Well golly geez...I was gonna say tour dog was cute but now I'm not

since snotty has appeared.

All you had to do was tell me hey it was Merek not Pfhizer and I would have corrected myself. :crazy:

You may not know me but I'm one of the few who admits when I'm wrong and I apologize when I'm wrong.

So this is what you get when you try to be nice and have fun on DU. OK I'll need remember that.

[still_one]

26. sorry, I really didn't mean to be rude

Hope you have a Happy and Healthy New Year!!!

[Mend]

25. Pfizer makes Celebrex

which is apparently just as bad as Vioxx. It remains to be seen whether they covered up their Celebrex studies, like they covered up the studies of Zoloft as an antidepressant for children.

[still_one]

27. I thought that was paxil?

[Mend]

32. All the SSRI's except Prozac

are found to increase suicide in children, and Prozac was found to be ineffective for depression in children. While Spitzer, in NY, is suing SmithKline about Paxil, other lawyers in other states are suing Pfizer over Zoloft. And the other lawyers are saying that Pfizer was even worse about hiding the negative data about antidepressants in children than SmithKline.

[Chimpanzee]

40. Celebrex is not as bad as VIOXX

If it was they would withdraw it from the market to avoid billions of dollars in potential lawsuits.

[MisterP]

2. food relief will probably be by Monsanto

any side effects from genes in the wrong "lines of text" will be blamed on the tsunami disaster.

[GetTheRightVote]

3. It is sad but they have a whole lab out there crying for their help ...

They are so sad.

:kick:

[ewagner]

4. No, the money is real

they're just trying to buy their way out of the dog house.....why not? they've got the money to do it.

[xultar]

7. Yup, upping their public profile. n/t

[What Is This Crap]

5. probably

free test subjects. non whites too. im sure shrub and the thugs approve.

[MADem]

6. They'll probably send Cialis and Viagra n/t

[xultar]

10. We'll it will help regrow the population...more test subjects perhaps? n/t

[still_one]

8. Acutally it is a good thing they are doing

Gate is donating 3 million dollars, and many others are doing likewise

These companies that you are dissing are doing a hell of a lot more the the U.S. government

[xultar]

12. Point well taken...so has * privatized disaster relief too? n/t

[still_one]

23. I hope not, but I know that is what he wants to do with everything

social security, medicare, etc., and the idiots who voted for him don't even realize what they have done

[xultar]

35. When I heard them saying that the Government wanted us & Corps to donate

I was like HOLD UP...WAIT JUST AN EFFIN MIN...you've ruined the economy, and no one has a job, GAS is too expensive and you want us to DONATE as individuals instead of the Government doing it's part.

Our donations should be over and above not instead of the Government doing it's job.

Then I realized he's privatizing government assistance

[sans qualia]

22. You might be right

I did ask if I was being paranoid. I've just read so much about the unethical practices of these companies within the United States that I can't help but look upon anything they do with suspicion, especially when it's on the other side of the world where there will probably be relatively little oversight. :shrug:

[clydefrand]

11. How about...just maybe they're sending antibiotics and other

meds for pain relief, anxiety, and depression, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. in addition to money. Those people who survived lost all...including their meds.

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not find an ulterior motive.

And then they can cut their damn prices for meds for the people of this country, too!

[still_one]

20. I agree don't look a gift horse in the mouth

but the reason why they charge so much more for drug prices here is because of Congress, and that includes MOST of the democrats who voted for that medicare prescription plan, which wouldn't allow states to independently negotiate better deals

No, the companies are going to charge what they can, it is the government's responsibility to insure we are not gouged.

[phantomvotes]

33. Could all of these things be their Sinister plan at work here??

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

Environmental warfare is defined as the intentional modification or manipulation of the natural ecology, such as climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, as part of strategic or tactical war." (Eco News)

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002552.html

nuclear bombs buried underground??

http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews16.html

Environmental war is defined as <1> the intentional modification of a system of the natural ecology, such climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) <2> to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, <3> as part of strategic or tactical war.

[still_one]

14. CNN is more insidious than these drug companies ever will be

[Midlodemocrat]

15. Actually, they mostly send

generic pain killers and antibiotics. It is legitimate. One thing a lot of people don't know about the pharmaceutical field is that each company has a program designed to provide indigent people with the medicines they need. There is no reason anyone should go without their medications. The applications are extremely straightforward and very, very rarely does someone get turned down.

My $.02.

[benburch]

18. That's very interesting!

Can you provide some information about this? I know some people who might benefit.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. Sure

...if you go to a specific pharmaceutical company's website, there is often a link. If not, the patient's doctor will have the information. Many doctors don't necessarily know that a patient cannot afford the medications because they might be embarrassed to admit it to the doctor. Just about every major pharma company has a program and there are forms available at the doctor's office if not on the web.

If you want to PM me the drug/company you are interested in, I will try to find a link for you.

[rman]

24. I guess the (working) poor in the US are not "indigent people"?

-

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Depends.

...a lot of people who are the working poor are too embarrassed to ask for help from the MDs, but believe me, the programs are there. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a pharma company that doesn't have an indigent program.

[deek]

37. check out this website

http://www.caringvoice.org/links.htm

[politicaholic]

16. It's called PR. Aid costs far less than advertising and looks better.

Wait for the pending commercial showing how great they are.

[liberalhistorian]

17. I think that's

being just a tad bit paranoid. I really don't think that's something we need to worry about. Medicines are going to be desperately needed, since the risk of infection and diseases is so high due to lack of water, sanitation, and hygienic conditions.

[Bridget Burke]

28. There are plenty of reasons to slam Big Pharm. This isn't one.

And you need more stable conditions to run a clinical study.

[c o f f e e]

30. Drugs, Sex and Rock n' Roll

Well, Well , Well..the drug companies are the first into the disaster...like a jackal looking for a fresh carcass. Next the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders will make a PR appearance shaking tits and ass for hospitalized victims followed by the inevitable BENEFIT CONCERT of "has been" rockers with careers that have one foot in the grave. Of course with a follow-up DVD for sale. It's all about $$$$

ameriKa where have you gone?

another cup of 100 mile coffee to go!

[newyawker99]

39. Hi c o f f e e!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[c o f f e e]

41. happy new year

hey thanks for the greeting....is it me or does 2005 seem like a better number than 2004???? lets hope.

a cup of mud .... out!

[theboss]

31. You know, these companies aren't run by Dr. Evil

Drug companies are corporations and are obviously out to make a profit. But most corporations charity and outreach programs are just that - charity and outreach programs.

Not everything is a plot to take over the world.

And if they weren't sending aid, everyone here would be screaming, "Why aren't they sending free medicine?!?!?!?"

[w4rma]

36. Is PR the primary reason or is it just a side effect of the donations?

Or is this a good chance to advirtise their companies over there, like crack/cocane dealers do: The first one's free.

[theboss]

38. Who cares if it saves peoples' lives?

I will never be able to deal with the Puritanical Left that wants purity of motive in all actions. If the drug companies get some good PR out of all this, so be it as long as people's lives are saved. If I was ever in need, I wouldn't care if the person who saved my life was affiliated with the Catholic Church, Pfizer or the UN.

It's a complicated world.

[Wilber_Stool]

34. This type of disaster is a real gold mine for drug companies.

They use them to dump all of drugs with expurgation dates that are past due. Then they take them as a tax deduction. Relief groups have been complaining about this for years.