Anybody else not seen the Movie "Dogma"??

[blue sky at night]

I am (as usual) out of touch with Movies, but my son showed us a pirated version of "Dogma" by Kevin Smith the other night. I thought is was a brilliant look at Modern Life in the Catholic Church. As usual the satiric look holds a lot of truth! I really enjoyed it, despite the "F" word every 30 seconds. I loved the warnings at the beginning not to go out and hurt anyone over this Movie (hint Religious Right Freepers)....Guess I really need to pay more attention to the Movie World. (shit,I am only five years late) So if you haven't seen it and would like to know more about God (she is waiting) go out and rent it right now......damn it.

http://www.dogma-movie.com/main.html

[7th_Sephiroth]

1. watch clerks if you liked Dogma

thats where jay and silent bob first appeared

[Khephra]

3. And the upcoming next chapter in Jay and Silent Bob's life

"The Passion of the Clerks" which comes out this Summer.

[7th_Sephiroth]

5. shweet

jay and silent bob rule, and dante needs to grow a pair of balls

[InvisibleBallots]

2. A great film

Smith grew up Catholic, and all the best parodies are by people who know their subject matter. Compare Dogma - a top notch, excellent, hilarious satire, to "Saved" a hackneyed piece of shit - no comparison.

His other movies are great too - one of my favorite filmmakers.

[Khephra]

4. You're the first person that I've heard that didn't like "Saved"

I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my list.

[theboss]

8. I liked "Saved" more than "Dogma"

"Dogma" has its moments - like all Smith films - but is painful to watch at times - like all Smith films. He needs to stop directing. "Dogma" had more to say than "Saved," but "Saved" was a better overall movie.

[jonnyblitz]

25. I didn't like Dogma either and thought I was the only one

who didn't. I would be willing to watch it again, though. maybe i wasn't in tne mood at the time. I am not a big Kevin Smith fan either, btw.

[InvisibleBallots]

32. Saved made me laugh ... once

Saved had ONE good joke in it, the rest was complete crap. The funny joke was when Macalacky Culkin (whatever) and that girl had skipped school and saw the sister go into the Planned Parenthood.

Girl: "Well, there's only one reason a good Christian girl is going to Planned Parenthood."

Macalacky Culkin: "She's planting a pipe bomb???"

I lol-ed so long I had to stop the dvd and rewind it.

The rest of the movie was crap.

[intheflow]

12. I liked Saved, didn't like Dogma.

I saw Dogma about the same time the... uh, I think Israeli Army gunned down a family that had failed to stop at a check point. There's a scene in Dogma where someone pops up and shoots a car with a machine gun. The two images of violence melded together and I dreamed it was me and my son in the back of that check point car, with that guy popping up. VERY scary.

Saved, on the other hand, depicts "good Christians" to be sure, but teaching, in the end, what Jesus (the human philosopher) probably meant by loving others as ourselves. It has some theology I cringe at, but overall it's a funny and thoughtful film.

[BrklynLiberal]

21. Dogma does a perfect job of pointing out the hypocrisy of modern

religious establishment...
And there are endless lessons taught by it.
I have seen DOGMA at least 12 times...Don't remember a scene where a car is shot at by someone with a machine gun.

[intheflow]

23. Sure you do.

It was that Devil Dude who ruled the menacing hockey demons somewhere around the shit monster scene.

And I'm not dismissing the validity of the commentary, only saying I saw it three times and then couldn't sit thru it after that nightmare.

[opiate69]

28. Nope..

The only time in the movie that "that devil dude" (Azrael, played to perfection by Jason Lee) wielded a gun was inside the bar, towards the end - When he asked the bartender for a "Holy Bartender". The only other scene involving automatic weaponry is in front of the church, at the end, when Jay plays "count the bullets" with the angel Bartleby.

[intheflow]

34. You're right!

(tail between my legs)

He popped up from behind the bar and started shooting. But you see, THAT'S how vivid that freakin' dream was! It replaced the "reality" of the flick!

Also right that Lee was perfect in that role.

[lenidog]

19. I wasn't too impressed with

"Saved" it was an all right film but I liked "Dogma" much better. It maybe because I am a lapsed Catholic and could get the jokes a lot better in "Dogma' than "Saved"

[quispquake]

9. I liked Saved a lot!

It wasn't a perfect film, but it REALLY exposed the hypocrisy of the religious right...

[sonicx]

18. the guy who wrote and directed "Saved" went to Christian Schools while

growing up and based much of the movie on what he saw.

Catholic elementary and Baptist high school.

[InvisibleBallots]

33. eh, I read that

one of the writers had gone to a Christian school for a year or so. "Saved" might be great propaganda, but it wasn't funny, they obviously had no clue what those schools were like, and in the end it was just, well, not funny. :shrug:

[sonicx]

35. maybe that writer did, but the Director and Main Writer went while growing

up, so i'm sure he has a clue. His experiences aren't everyone's. I thought it was funny.

[Chimpanzee]

6. Buddy Christ! I loved that movie!

[theboss]

7. It was a better script than movie

It's an interesting film that was really hurt by the fact that Kevin Smith can't direct and by the fact that Linda Fiorentino was horribly horribly miscast. I read the script a long-time before the movie came out and loved it. The execution left a lot to be desired.

George Carlin was great though.

[frankly_fedup2]

15. I agree about Linda Fiorentino. Chris Rock was great too. (nm)

nt

[Az]

10. Even atheists liked it

Well ok, the atheists I know (including myself). Of course most of us are big Kevin Smith fans so....

Smith is a great natural dialog writer. Perhaps not as polished as Mammet but he shows great insite into human nature. He actually can get dialog of ideas on the screen and not make it seem out of place.

[Pushed To The Left]

11. Excellent movie!

[frankly_fedup2]

13. HAVE I SEEN IT!!! I have an autographed copy of the script . . .

that Kevin Smith wrote. Do I love Jay and Silent Bob. uhhhhhh . . . yeah and I'm a 45-year-old grandma too. Jay reminds me of the stoners I went to high school with.

Check out Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Jay and Silent Bob Save the Universe, and now Jersey Girl.

Notice Affleck is in almost all of them.

Here is their home page.

<http://www.viewaskew.com/>

[blue sky at night]

17. Thanks..........

sorry to seem so out of touch with the known universe, but I will do it!!!

[LTR]

29. "Dogma" was one of Kevin Smith's best films

Right up there with "Clerks". His other films are so-so.

Clerks: His best work

Mallrats: Ugh!

Chasing Amy: So-so, but not overly memorable.

Dogma: Good movie, but it seems to have packed too much stuff in. Catholics like myself may get it more than non-Catholics.

Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back: A bit disappointing. Not bad, but it was somewhat weak.

Jersey Girl: I actually liked this movie. It wasn't as over the top with crude humor, and had a bit more of a kinder tone. Not as nasty as some of his other works.

[nostamj]

14. love that movie!

seen it more often than I can count. sometimes just a bit here and there as they show it on comedy central ALL the time.

[tuvor]

16. Life is too short to watch Alanis Morissette in a movie.

Playing God or not.

Wash me! Wash me!

[BrklynLiberal]

20. It is one of the best modern movies ever made.....go buy the DVD

It has a lot of great stuff that you won't see if you only rent it.

[proud patriot]

22. one of my favorite all time movies

:D

[hollowdweller]

24. Dogma - God uses flawed people to do his work. All this crap about s

spirtual perfection is BS. If you look at the divinely inspired people in the Bible, they were like the people in Dogma really, not some super pure uptight like Falwell would lead you to believe. That's what the movie reminded me of.

[patcox2]

26. I watched it with my priest, and with my father in law, also a priest.

I had my parish priest and his wife over for dinner, and I showed them the DVD of Dogma and they loved it. (Episcopal priest, I should add, though apart from being allowed to marry, they do think they are catholic). There are actually a lot of references to formal theology in Dogma that are even more funny to trained theologians than to lay people.

I also turned my father-in-law on to Dogma, he also loved it. Before he left the clergy, he was a canon, equivalent to a catholic Monsignor, in the episcopal church.

Nothing in it shocked them.

By the way, I socialize with my priest more often than I go to church, we love to get together and Bush-bash.

[frankly_fedup2]

37. Not even the 13th Apostle, Rufus? LOL I was wondering . . .

how your father in law was a priest.

Mewes and Lee crack me up. Mewes especially. He brings back so many memories of my teen years.

I thought one of the funniest parts in Dogma was when Jay and Silent Bob were hanging out in an Abortion Clinic parking lot to pick up woman because a woman having an abortion obviously puts out. Plus when Rufus fell out of the sky right after Jay said people don't just fall out of the sky and then Rufus did naked. If you saw the movie, then you know what Jay said next.

Also, Salma Hyack's part was pointless to me. She was just some eye candy included in the movie.

[Feron]

27. Dogma is awful/ Saved rocks!

Ok maybe it is because i'm biased and think Ben Affleck sucks,but i find Dogma to be painfully awful to watch. I wasn't offended by the subject ,only by the fact that it was so bad.

Saved ,on the other hand, is a great movie. It is predictable ,but still a fun flick.

[jonnyblitz]

30. I am an atheist so I obviously wasn't offended by the movie.

I think I anticipated too much and was disappointed. I thought it was lame (Dogma).

[burrowowl]

31. I loved Dogma

There are a lot of 'in' references maybe, but this lapsed RC just howled.

[hfojvt]

36. first I thought it was kinda lame

but then I decided I really loved some parts
1. Bethany's rescue - "go back to your paper-routes, you mighty duck ..." "except for Judd Nelson, he was effing harsh"
2. shoot-out at Mooby corral - "Except for Ms. Price here, there is not one decent human among you." I did not like how almost all the indecency seemed to revolve around sex.
3. argument in the garage - "I've heard a rant like this before ... you sound like the morning star."
4. the famous final scene - "We only have five minutes left to live, the whole world's about to end, you said you'd ..."
also, Metotron's visit to Bethany is pretty funny: "Do you douse everyone who comes to your apartment with fire-retardant chemicals? No wonder you're still single."
That ends up being almost the whole movie.

[Raiden]

38. Dogma is EXCELLENT!

Buddy Christ --- I about cracked a rib laughin' when George Carlin unveiled Buddy Christ!



although the movie was very profane, that was sorta part of its charm. I admit, the shit demon scene was way, way over-the-top, and should've just been edited out completely (but keep in the part with Serendippity (Salma Hayek) stripping to "Candy Girl").

I really admired how Smith just kept hitting the audience with a barrage of satire... especially Mooby the Golden Calf. Mooby satirized commercialism and consumerism. It was not-so-subtle symbolism for how we value commerce more than religion, we are worshipping the proverbial "golden calf" by shunning Jesus in the name of consumerism. Powerful stuff, even for an agnostic like me.

[RiDuvessa]

39. Loved it.

I have it on DVD at home. I particular like the shootout at Mooby's executive office, the argument in the parking garage ("I'm just saying, I think someone needs a little nap."), and the appearance of Alanis Morrisette as God. Hilarious movie with some excellent points. Chris Rock was great as the 13th apostle.

[Merlin]

40. It's brilliant satire. And it's becoming a cult classic.

If you have Comedy Central, they've been running it a lot lately.