"Well 1300 are dead in Iraq that many are murdered in NY, Chicago...

[StClone]

every year"

C-Span caller restated this relativism? How do you respond to non sequitors attempting to relate soldiers dying in war and those murdered in a major Blue State city to justify deaths.

[propagandafreegal]

1. I heard that stupid C-span calller. It is amazing the points of view

some people have. UNBELIEVABLE.

[Tony_Illinois]

31. Yes--AND THEY ALL VOTE

[Elise]

2. laugh

I always use belittling because I'm such a nice person. HA!

In this case, I would simply point out that there are deaths everywhere and every day...............however those deaths in Iraq have no bearing on 'beat-crime' stats. Then, I would shake my head and say, "It's New Year's, so I understand. You have a hangover, am I right?"

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. "And those people being murdered there...

is wrong too. But those people are not being murdered because the government lied. What about the 100,000 Iraqi citizens who have died since the start of the war?"

CSPAN is no longer someplace where one goes to find sanity. Anything but.

[Elise]

7. disagree

about C-SPAN.

It is still a place to find unedited events. Just stay away from 'Washington Journal' and the like..............unless you have masochistic tendencies.

[0007]

15. Your exactly right on! I've had to back off the Washington Journal

for a little while. Two weeks now. (I cheated a few times) But in reality with all those dimwits, nitwits and halfwits calling in with stupid right wing rhetoric, I find my persona changing to something I don't like. Ah yes, sanity is the word.

[TexasChick]

20. I'm tellng you, these homechimps will say anything to justify this bogus

war. They'll pull anything out of their asses and hope you will buy it as the truth!

[DireStrike]

4. 3,000 dead on 9/11, 50,000 every year in car crashes

Where is the Department of Automotive Security?

[tx_dem41]

13. We have several agencies that have authorization over...

automobile and highway safety.

[DireStrike]

14. Exactly - several!

We need one massive bureaucracy to oversee it all, with a cabinet level position.

We need a war against transporTerror, with the accompanying media blitz and political frenzy.

[tx_dem41]

26. Okay...I'll agree with you there. n/t

[Solly Mack]

28. the "Car Czar" n/t

[scarletlib]

18. bingo!

everytime someone tries to denigrate the deaths of soldiers and/or civilians in Iraq by some sort of inane comparision to deaths here by murder, etc. someone--all of us--need to reply with a statistic like the one you just gave.

That will shut them up.

[leesa]

27. They have their hands in the pockets of US automakers.

How much better if you crash your car and need to buy another, eh?

Of course, this is the end result of deregulation, which I am sure you thought was a good idea at some point.

[DireStrike]

34. eh?

I think you mistook my point. I assure you I hate deregulation and the resultant pissing-on of the public by corporations.

[prodigal_green]

5. First of all, the number of murders in NYC

is below 600 per year.

Second of all, it is an absurd and obscene comparisons. More people die in accidents every year too, or by suicide, or by incompetent doctors, etc., etc...

I heard a defendant claim once that he didn't feel bad about a bystander getting killed in a drive-by because that person could just as easily been hit by a car, it was an accident.

Our tax dollars are paying for this.

[pretzel4gore]

24. more then 2 million in US's prisons....

regardless, the caller would have to factor in the millions in jail.....ostensibly, it's punishment that stops criminals from murdering more etc....ironically, one would have no problem factoring in the hugh prison population and geeb's goofy war on iraqi children....

[argyl]

6. Fewer Iraqi civilians have been killed than people who have died from the

South East Asian tsunami so I guess we're good with that also.You can't reason with such stupidity and callousness.

[Maine-i-acs]

8. Chicago+NYC = 1300 out of 9 million; Iraq: 1300 out of 150,000

Thus the US cities are 60 times safer than Iraq.

Ask any soldier in Baghdad if he'd rather be patrolling in NYC or Chicago! What do you think he's going to say?

regurgitate a repuke meme thusly: "How dare you denigrate the heroic sacrifices of our soldiers by implying that a war zone is as safe as a US city!"

[StClone]

9. That is succinct and dismantling

Just the thing!

[LynnTheDem]

10. 700,000 USers dead every YEAR from heart disease...so where's the war

on HEART DISEASE?

Obviously only a total fool of an idiot would give a fuck about a measly 3000 dead from a terrorist attack.

*That's how I reply.

[bpilgrim]

11. find the stats on a city with a pop of 150k

that might shut them up... especially if they life in a simular city :evilgrin:

peace

[rooboy]

12. The dead in Iraq were murdered on the orders of the President of the USA.

eom.

[0007]

16. .....and with the new Death Squad Commander that took over

Paul Bremer's job the count will go up. John Negroponte has a ton of experience from those Nicaragua days of torture and death behind the scenes.

[xchrom]

17. murdered by our soldiers?

or as a result of this illegal war?

[indepat]

19. Issues likely to be debated for a long, long time

[bpilgrim]

21. both

unfortunately

peace

[peekaloo]

22. I'll bet that caller has a "Support Our Troops" magnet on their car.

Way to trivialize our troops deaths, arsewipe.

[JI7]

23. more people died under Hitler and Stalin than Saddam

and based on what that person said in comparing soldiers deaths in iraq to murders in american cities then perhaps it was not worth going after saddam considering more have died under other dictators, many of them who are still alive and ruling today.

[RebelOne]

25. I heard that, too.

What a jerkoff!!

[Darranar]

29. Every death is a tragedy. Some are preventable, others aren't...

we should try to prevent the ones we can.

[heidiho]

30. So, by that method, if Bush was assasinated we could say

that so were Kennedy, Lincoln, McKinley, etc. etc.

And then that would make it okay?

Their reasoning skills are just so Christian-oriented that I can't
believe it!

[Roaming]

32. If you judge whether a war has accomplished its goal solely on

body counts, then WWII was a tremendous failure. I think the bottom line is, where will Iraq be when this is all over? Where will America be in terms of security? We have to look at the ultimate result of the war. No one can really say right now; we won't know until many years from now, in hindsight, what we are (or are not) accomplishing there.

[Cha]

33. Yeah, so? That's got nothing to do with

sending more kids to their death. Two fucking wrongs don't make a right!

bush lied about the reasons for this Invasion..he should be at the Hague instead of he's chimp of the year. The carlyle candidate.

[dansolo]

35. Notice how the dead Iraqis don't seem to count

If someone is going to talk about the total number of deaths in NY in Chicago, then they should also talk about the TOTAL number of deaths in Iraq, if they want the camparison to be valid.

[TheKingfish]

36. Spin meets Spin

But almost all of Iraq is peaceful and the problems are in only 3 provinces ;). Also i guess it doesn't matter how many Iraqi Police/National guard get there heads handed to them (literally). Oh and civilians pfft... we don't do body counts.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. FOX uses this logic

They tell the viewers that a kid has a better chance of being murdered in California than to be killed as a soldier in Iraq.