Bush/Neo-nazi UNA-UNSO's involvement in Ukraine's "Revolution"

[Tinoire]

DU researchers. What is going on here? Is something sinister taking place or not?

Supposedly we witnessed a "peaceful" revolution in Ukraine where the "people" won. We were asked to overlook the fact that Yushchenko had meetings with Cheney, that his wife is a Reagan/Bush I state department employee, overlook that the NED was involved to the hilt and constantly reminded that "not everything George Bush does is bad".

There were a lot of other things people were told to overlook to or to not pay too much attention to.

Well. So some of us backed off because no one wants to be wrong and piss on a parade. After all, what the majority of us want, after what we've been through, is for people somewhere, anywhere, to have a true democratic election in this rotten day and age.

So serious questions for serious posters here...

What is going on over there? Why did Yushchenko ask his followers to blockade the government building last week to disrupt a meeting that was supposed to take place that day in a move that sadly made me remember the bussed in freepers who stopped the recount in 2000?

And more importantly, why today does AP have a headline today that reads:

Among the Happy Orange Protesters, Ukrainian Paramilitaries Say They Will Guard Yushchenko's "revolution" or link to SF Chronicle & posted in LBN for discussion: here

What is the truth and what is the propaganda? Is it what we saw in CNN? Did Bush put $65 million of our tax dollars to good use or is this what he financed:

The goals of UNA-UNSO, according to its leaders, are to overthrow the current Ukrainian government, because it is anti-national; to fight the mafia, because it is criminal; to fight homosexuals, because they are an aberration of nature; to fight the Jews, because they own all the banks and media. They want revolutionary masses to take power in Ukraine. Only the "force factor" can save the nation. He is sure that there will be war in Kiev soon, patriots on one side, "the sell-out power structure" on the other. If Russia attacks any part of Ukraine, UNA- UNSO's leaders assured me, there will be terrorist acts in Moscow. The IRA, the Kurdish resistance movement, the Afghan Mujahedin, the Cuban revolutionaries are all role models.

http://www.una-unso.org/av/mainview.asp?TT_id=17&TX_id=401

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The revolution televised

The western media's view of Ukraine's election is hopelessly biased

John Laughland
Saturday November 27, 2004
The Guardian

There was a time when the left was in favour of revolution, while the right stood unambiguously for the authority of the state. Not any more. This week both the anti-war Independent and the pro-war Telegraph excitedly announced a "revolution" in Ukraine. Across the pond, the rightwing Washington Times welcomed "the people versus the power".

Whether it is Albania in 1997, Serbia in 2000, Georgia last November or Ukraine now, our media regularly peddle the same fairy tale about how youthful demonstrators manage to bring down an authoritarian regime, simply by attending a rock concert in a central square. Two million anti-war demonstrators can stream though the streets of London and be politically ignored, but a few tens of thousands in central Kiev are proclaimed to be "the people", while the Ukrainian police, courts and governmental institutions are discounted as instruments of oppression.


The western imagination is now so gripped by its own mythology of popular revolution that we have become dangerously tolerant of blatant double standards in media reporting. Enormous rallies have been held in Kiev in support of the prime minister, Viktor Yanukovich, but they are not shown on our TV screens: if their existence is admitted, Yanukovich supporters are denigrated as having been "bussed in". The demonstrations in favour of Viktor Yushchenko have laser lights, plasma screens, sophisticated sound systems, rock concerts, tents to camp in and huge quantities of orange clothing; yet we happily dupe ourselves that they are spontaneous.

(snip)

Such dehumanisation of enemies has well-known antecedents - not least in Nazi-occupied Ukraine itself, when pre-emptive war was waged against the Red Plague emanating from Moscow - yet these posters have passed without comment. Pora continues to be presented as an innocent band of students having fun in spite of the fact that - like its sister organisations in Serbia and Georgia, Otpor and Kmara - Pora is an organisation created and financed by Washington.

(snip)

It gets worse. Plunging into the crowd of Yushchenko supporters in Independence Square after the first round of the election, I met two members of Una-Unso, a neo-Nazi party whose emblem is a swastika. They were unembarrassed about their allegiance, perhaps because last year Yushchenko and his allies stood up for the Socialist party newspaper, Silski Visti, after it ran an anti-semitic article claiming that Jews had invaded Ukraine alongside the Wehrmacht in 1941. On September 19 2004, Yushchenko's ally, Alexander Moroz, told JTA-Global Jewish News: "I have defended Silski Visti and will continue to do so. I personally think the argument ... citing 400,000 Jews in the SS is incorrect, but I am not in a position to know all the facts." Yushchenko, Moroz and their oligarch ally, Yulia Tymoshenko, meanwhile, cited a court order closing the paper as evidence of the government's desire to muzzle the media. In any other country, support for anti-semites would be shocking; in this case, our media do not even mention it.

(snip)

John Laughland is a trustee of BRITISH HELSINKI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP and an associate of Sanders Research Associates

http://www.guardian.co.uk/ukraine/story/0,15569,1360951,00.html

[malaise]

1. I suggested weeks ago

that you check on who financed the tents. Do you think any people will stay outside in that cold without pay? Study all the so called 'velvet revolutions' in former eastern European countries and ignore MSM.

[Tinoire]

3. I did check. I didn't like what I found

and had a GD thread about it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2870381 called: Ukraine, Yushchenko, his wife (Bush employee), the US and Soros that I am tempted to kick back up but it didn't generate much interest during this holiday season and then the tsunami happened.

But I did check because the whole thing stunk from the very beginning and I did post it as did several other posters here. I know you were one of them.


What I fear we are witnessing is the neo-Conservative and neo-Liberal New World being ordered, happening, before our very eyes and we don't want to really look.

[Swamp Rat]

2. Didn't Mrs. Yushchenko attend University of Chicago Business School?

Do you think she may be a pal of Wolfowitz? I wonder if she belongs to the "Leo Strauss Fan Club" too? :think:

[Tinoire]

5. Yes she did. And here's a disturbing link for you

but she seems a bit younger than Wolfowitz. Still they moved in the same circles. Check out the last article I snipped from about an incident under the Reagan administration with a neo-nazi link where she was quite present. You should probably read the whole original thread but here is some stuff from one post regarding her. It would be interesting to research some of the other names from that litttle Reagan incident.


Yuschenko's wife, Bush & Reagan links


She spreads out dozens of family photographs. There's Victor Yushchenko holding one of his children. Kathy and Victor and their children at a birthday celebration. A picture of Moll and her sister in Ukraine. And one of the girls with their mother in Florida. There are also framed photographs of her sister with former President Ronald Reagan and another with her and former President George Bush and his wife, Barbara.
www.ajc.com/metro/content/ metro/cherokee/1204/22ukraine.html -

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(snip)

After receiving a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University and a master's degree in business administration from the University of Chicago, Chumachenko Yushchenko held a series of jobs in Washington. She worked as an adviser on Eastern European ethnic affairs in the Reagan White House and in the State Department's human rights office.

When the Soviet Union began to fall apart in 1991, she co-founded U.S.-Ukraine Foundation, a non-profit organization that facilitates democratic development and free market reform in the European country.

Chumachenko Yushchenko moved to Kiev just before Ukraine became independent. The daughter of immigrants always had her heart there, said Nadia McConnell, president of the Washington-based foundation. Chumachenko Yushchenko was active in an organization that helps Ukrainian orphans, and she has even tried to help the scraggly mutts she noticed in Kiev, McConnell said.

(snip)

In 1993, Chumachenko Yushchenko met Viktor Yushchenko, now 50. She was working for KPMG LLP - an international audit, tax and advisory firm - and she led a study tour that brought Ukrainian bankers to several U.S. cities, including Chicago. At the time, Viktor Yushchenko was head of the Central Bank, and he joined the trip. Unlike many Ukrainian bankers then, she said, he was well-versed in free-market economics, and he was eager to reform a system struggling to emerge from communism.

(snip)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120604C.shtml

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(not too sure about this one but interesting nonetheless!!)



During a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee investigation it was reported that Bill and Hillary Clinton had been gathering FBI files on people. At that time, June 10th 1996, they had only gone through the files on people who's last names began with the letters A-G and found what was reported to be close to 1000 files, and 399 of them were on officials who served during the Bush and Reagan administrations, and are listed below. Many of our critics say that this is a lie and we are conspirators trying to tarnish the good name of Bill Clinton, but they have no evidence, just opinions. I present you with the, almost 400, names of the people who served under the Reagan and Bush administrations, who's FBI files were in the possession of Bill and Hillary Clinton, as reported by USA-Today and the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee on June 10th of 1996. The investigation is still going on and this list of people tied with the Bush and Reagan administrations is now rumored to have over 700 names, but I will only share the solid factual evidence I can get my hands on. What were they used for?
I don't have any FBI files on the Clintons or their administration,
yet I'm supposed to be a conspirator.

(snip/a ton of names)

Chumachenko, Katherine Clare: Reagan, State Department special assistant

http://home.earthlink.net/~mrnetwork/filegate.html

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When journalists first saw the White House fundraising
letter dated April 14, 1982, written for Roger Pearson and signed
by Ronald Reagan, it was thought to be a fluke. Since Pearson, a
former leader of the World Anti-Communist League, was a
world-renowned racialist with a long history of associations with
neo-Nazi groups and individuals, a White House repudiation of the
letter was expected when the problem was discovered. After all,
it was the summer of 1984, and who would want Reagan connected in
any way with an advocate of racial extermination policies before
the November elections?

(snip)

After the Stetskos visited the White House, Yaroslav
Stetsko's wife Slava Stetsko, who lives in Munich, West Germany,
called on the ABN to support Reagan's re-election. She carried
that message to ABN chapters during 1984 as well. The
Reagan campaign cooperated with ABN, including scheduling an
appearance by Michael Sotirhos, head of Ethnic Voters for
Reagan-Bush Campaign 1984 as well as the Republican Heritage
Groups Council, at the 1984 ABN conference in New York City.

The goal of the ABN is to pressure the U.S. government
toward a "liberation" policy aimed against the USSR, with ABN
leaders as the liberators. Although ABN members say they only
need technical assistance from the West, they want the U.S.
military to put them in power in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
This is the formula they tried under German Nazi sponsorship.
Their manipulations of the American political system are toward
that end.
(snip)

According to Henry, "a representative assembly of the most
prominent Ukrainian leaders from all walks of life issued a
Proclamation of the Restoration of Ukrainia's Independence. .
..The proclamation received enthusiastic support of the Ukrainian
people." Henry referred to the "freedom fighters" of the
"Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), led by Stepan
Bandera." When questioned about his praise for a document which
included the line "Glory to the Heroic German Army and its
Fuhrer, Adolph Hitler," a spokesperson for Henry said he'd "not
been aware of the fine print. . . ."

On July 20, 1988, George Bush reaffirmed the ties between
the Republican Party and the ABN by making a campaign stop at
Fedorak's Ukrainian Cultural Center in Warren, Michigan. Bush
delivered a hard-line foreign policy speech to those attending
the annual Captive Nations banquet sponsored jointly by the
Captive Nations Committee and the ABN. Sharing the dais with
Fedorak and Bush was Katherine Chumachenko, formerly the director
of the UCCA's Captive Nations Committee and currently the Deputy
Director for Public Liaison at the White House. Ignatius M.
Billinsky, President of UCCA, had already been named named
Honorary Chair of Ukrainians for Bush, and Bohdan Fedorak named
National vice-chair of Ukrainians for Bush.

(snip)

Bellant: Old Nazi Networks in US
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/political-science/fascism/bellant/bellant.pt3

[Swamp Rat]

14. Thanks for the info. Maybe she blongs in this picture too

but I just finished it and have run out of room:

[Tinoire]

15. You did that?

I only just now saw the (c)Swamp Rat. Dude, that is the stuff of nightmares. I saw that yesterday before going to bed and had to look away because it's downright creepy- just like them. Very good but so unsettling. It even scares me... where did you find the courage, the stomach to put it together like that? :thumbsup: but NC 17!

[Swamp Rat]

16. Catharsis... exorcising demons... spreading the word...

that "They Live."

[Tinoire]

22. Nightmares - aaarrrgggghhhh!

Very good. Incredibly good!

[makhno]

8. Katya Yushchenko, nee Kathy Chumachenko

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22kathy+chumachenko%22

The search brings up quite a few fringe sources, but, predictably, no mainstream ones. The woman's quite the "Reagan's Reaganite", it seems.

[Tinoire]

11. That she certainly is!

What will be interesting is to dig up all the names of the links between her and the current neo-Cons we all know. I already found Cheney and that was from a very superficial search.

[makhno]

21. Her stint at State

Working in the Human Rights section, her boss would've been Richard Schifter, a neocon in his own right. Not a name brand, but this guy was a major anti-Soviet scumbag who also did a good job discrediting US foreign policy with his selective ignorance of human rights abuses in US client states.

Then again, she was a fairly junior person, so it's not clear how close she was to the upper echelons of the Bush cabal at the time.

[RafterMan]

4. That's odd

People on the Nazi-leaning sites I've read have basically called Yushchenko a Zionist puppet.

I don't think anyone really knows what's going on there. We'll just have to wait and see.

[malaise]

7. OK

Thanks Tinoire

[Tinoire]

9. In a nutshell of an opinion

because never would I have the time lol to explain how I reached this conclusion... I saw those and I agree with what you say about this appearing odd.

The believers of the Judeo-Christian God are all being manouvered to hate each other and war against each other- Jews, Gentiles, Muslims.
Any passion that can be inflamed anywhere, using any pretext, will do. Them men pulling these strings are conveniently members of all three "religions" but not practicing except on the surface though they spout on and on and on.

Some Jewish friends of mine see this and surmised "and in the end, we'll be the ones they blame". The Muslims say the same thing. The Christians say the same thing and point to the verse in the NT that true Christians (NOT that rapture shit crowd crying and wailing as they Seig Heil us into madness) will be persecuted during the end times.

Personally I think they've all either made, or believe they made, a dark deal with evil. You can't call this web of intrigue and everything they've unleashed on this earth anything but evil.

As long as they get us to hate the other guy, they're happy.

People like Yushchenko are always Fundie-Zionist, Fundie-Christian, or Fundie-Muslim puppets & can even be all three at the same time because it's the same damn people pulling the same strings. They're just packaged differently depending on where they need to be marketted at the time. And if you look at it closely, the unfortunate marriage of Zionism with Right Wing Anti-Semites doesn't rule out that possibility. There's a group of very evil men right now working in full concert with each other.

[Tinoire]

12. Found this opinion somewhere

I shudder to admit where but it came up in a google and I think the person's interpretation is valid:

I read that article a while back and I didn't agree with the conclusions or tone, either. Saying Soros is invested in Carlyle Group has a significantly different connotation than saying he's G.H.W. Bush's business partner, IMO. The way I see it Soros and some Carlyle members like Baker have mutual business interests in supporting oil development in Azerbaijan, but those business interests function within a different geopolitical agenda for someone like Baker--who in this context largely represents the US oil lobby in its competition with Russian and European oil companies for a share in Caucasus oil development--as opposed to Soros, who has his own private agenda which is more oriented towards carving out a personal political base in the Caucasus--autonomous from both US and Russian control--so he (and whoever his silent partners are) can dominate the oil industry there. IMO Soros' geopolitical agenda seems to coincide less closely with Bush or Baker's than with another Carlyle player, Brent Scowcroft, who was more on the same page with Soros during the debate over Iraq and during the 2004 election.

not bad at all for FreeRepublic. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288454/posts

[NNN0LHI]

18. Yea, but Nazi-leaning Fox news seemed to really like Yushchenko a lot

I agree with you though. Lets see how things shake out. Its too early to tell right now.

Don

[scarletwoman]

6. There IS *something* afoot, behind the curtains -- of that I am sure.

I came across an article somewhere a couple weeks(?) ago, that discussed where some of the funding was coming from that was "helping" this supposed "peoples'" uprising. I deeply regret that I did not bookmark it at the time -- I was just hurriedly clicking through a bunch of random blogs and news sites. What I remember thinking is, "Damn! So THIS isn't what it seems either! More dirty business by the multinational corporate/banking elite..."

It ain't pretty. There really don't seem to be any unambiguously good guys in the situation in the Ukraine.

The truth is, I don't think I want to research it any further. It's clear enough to me that the global moneyed elite have achieved virtually total control of the political systems of nearly every country on the planet. What conflicts arise represent nothing more than internal power struggles between factions of this elite. The People are irrelevant.

sw

[Tinoire]

10. I'm fast getting to that point

where I "don't think I want to research it any further".

It's clear enough to me that the global moneyed elite have achieved virtually total control of the political systems of nearly every country on the planet. What conflicts arise represent nothing more than internal power struggles between factions of this elite. The People are irrelevant.

You take the words right out of my mouth.

[scarletwoman]

13. I've been feeling very conflicted these days.

Weary of the whole sorry mess that is the state of the world, and the state of our country in particular. Weary of caring anymore.

I think alot about just letting it all go. Thinking that maybe things will just have to play out whatever way they will. I no longer have faith in the political process, I think that maybe all that's worth doing anymore is to create one's small space of peace and light and hunker down.

I just don't know...

sw

[Gyre]

17. You've got alot of company.

I'm sure it's no consolation. The apparent lack of interest by the DNC/DLC in pursuing evidence of fraud is one of the most demoralizing non-events I've ever experienced.

A degree of existentialism (withdrawal) I think, is necessary to gain some distance from the catastrophe we've all just been involved in. Give yourself some time.

Gyre

[CHIMO]

19. Hope Springs Eternal

Just think of the ignorance and stupidity that the system has been put into by recent military excursions when considered against the surceases that they were having, as given in the interview with John Perkins.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/31/1546207


In the end there is no honor among thieves.

[proud patriot]

20. but what happens when the people's know this and unify ?

After the election the sorryeverybody website really
taught me that we are all in this together .

The internet seems to allow communication
that otherwise would keep us separate and
regionally inaccessible to each other .

Great thread , lots to read :loveya:

[Paula Sims]

23. I HOPE I don't end up eating my words but. . .

OK, I'll admit, the evidence is pretty nasty. So since I'm totally naive about the politics going on, I asked my father and called friends in Ukraine to get some info.

Yes, the UNA-UNCO does SEEM like a neo-Nazi group (OK, if it quacks like a duck. . .). However, according to the people I asked, it's a small, ultra-right splinter group that doesn't necessarily support Yuschenko but is more anti-Yanukovich. Similar to the Skinheads and the KKK supporting, well, you know who. Apparently the UNA-UNCO is small and not gaining much support (yea, 1929 Germany just flashed before my eyes). PERSONALLY, I think it's an issue of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of thing.

As far as Katya (Kathy), she is a Ukrainian nationalist and always was. By her being affiliated with the Regan people "might" be good because she might apply SUBTLE techniques to raise the national conscience for Ukraine and ALL within its borders. Let me state unequivocally that I DO NOT nor will I EVER support any violent or oppressive means of government, and if I see that happening in Ukraine (a la Kuchma), I'll be the first one at the front of the line yelling for Yuschenko's removal.

As I alluded to in another thread, frankly, I don't think the Ukrainians know WHOM to believe. They want their own country, their own identity, their own freedom. We have a tendency to go with the devil we do not know, thinking that they can't be any worse than the devil we know (Stalin vs. Hitler). You'd think we'd learn, but then again, whom can we trust?

I still think a wait, WATCH, and see attitude is necessary. Be vigilant, and thank you Tinoire for the information. Even IF this turns out to be dots mis-connected, at least we have the information. As I said before, if it quacks like a duck, my rose colored glasses still hopes for a dove.

Also, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!


Paula

[Tinoire]

24. Thank you for that valuable personal insight Paula!

Welcome back and thank you for this input. I noticed the original AP story mentioned the same thing you just said about this being a splinter group (I brought that up in the NNNOHLI's LBN thread) but I can't find any evidence of a splinter group and then Carl (I think it was) had that link from the Common Dreams article between Yushchenko and Shkil.

I rally thank you for your input and look forward to hearing more from you and from Tank LV about this. The worst part of this is that, even if it all turns out to be true, there's NOTHING we can do with this information! I hope it's not because we don't need any more of this. And I'm terrifically grateful to people like you and Tank who would be the first to demand Yushchenko be removed.

It's really sad to hear you, of all people, say that you don't think the Ukrainians know WHOM to believe; it sounds like what's going on in our country. Most people don't know what to believe anymore. Thank you Paula and welcome back :hi: Here's to better times for Ukraine and for all of us.

[Karenina]

25. Kick!

:kick: