Who knew? Kerry worked with Nader to expose the BFEE

[blm]

I was unaware of that aspect of the IranContra investigation.


THE NORTH NOTEBOOKS
From Washington by Tim Wheeler

EXCERPT...
In Washington, at the request of Irangate special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, a new grand jury has been empanelled to consider evidence that Bush and President Reagan were very much "in the loop" on the criminal enterprise.

Also in Washington, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Terrorism and Narcotics, announced May 18 that he is examining thousands of newly released photocopied pages from Lt. Col. Oliver North's notebooks, which expose White House lying on the Noriega case. The National Security Archive and Ralph Nader's Public Citizen released thousands of the same pages at two press conferences on May 8 and May 18.

Senator Kerry declared, "The North notebooks confirm that high-level U.S. officials, including officials at the CIA and the NSC , knew about General Noriega's drug trafficking and corruption in 1986, kept him on the U.S. payroll and discussed helping him clean up his image in return for his help for the contras."

"The information was important because throughout 1988, while my hearings were taking place, the White House was denying that it had known about Noriega's drug trafficking." Kerry added, "There is something fundamental that is violated in a democracy when the White House can classify documents as 'Codeword Top Secret' in order to suppress politically damaging information in an election year." Kerry suggested that Walsh examine sworn testimony of former Assistant Secretary of State Elliot Abrams and Donald Gregg to determine if they committed perjury. Kerry said the documents also raise questions of whether NSC and intelligence officers engaged in domestic surveillance in violation of the law.

The North notebooks provide a wealth of new evidence. One page, released for the first time May 8, lists a "mtg w V.P." at 12 noon, August 6, 1986. North began that day by meeting with Israeli terrorist expert, Amiram Nir. According to North's notes, he then went to an extraordinary meeting at the White House with members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. According to his later testimony, North "lied, lied, lied" to the lawmakers about the Iran-contra conspiracy. North then met with several other covert agents, including Gregg. Finally he met with Vice President Bush. Did the Vice President discuss with North his lies to an official oversight committee of the U.S. Congress?

Asked about this notation in North's notebook, White House Press Secretary Marlin Fitzwater declared, "The vice president's role in the Iran-contra affair was completely examined in the congressional inquiry and we have nothing to add."

CONTINUED...
http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/north.htm

[Eloriel]

1. And we haven't heard a word from him since, have we?

Guess that's just old news for John.

In fact, according to John Kerry, Bush is a good guy who tries to do good things.

Eloriel

[blm]

2. Do you revise history for a living?

Actually, Eloriel, if you ever paid honest attention, you would know that in 1997 Kerry wrote a book about how all the coddling and encouraging of terrorist forces through support infrastructures like BCCI and IranContra has caused a new danger for the United States and the world.

Y'see, Eloriel, it ALL connects. And people like you with your own agenda and ego do not want to see Kerry make that case. I doubt your commitment to the greater good, in fact, considering that you declared you won't vote for any Dem but Dean, you outed yourself.

[Name removed]

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[jiacinto]

6. Good post

I really like what you had to say.

[WilliamPitt]

10. Woop

There it is.

(except for the personal attacks. way to take it to the hoop, blm. nicely done)

[seventhson]

25. Nice Steal, Will

seventhson (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-06-03 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #63

68. Skull and Bones and the BFEE are parts of one fascist operation


"I only really NOTICED that Kerry was Skull after YOU started bashing Gore and playing up Kerry. I did some research and WHOOPS, THERE IT IS!!!"

Maybe it was unconscious, but still...

I said it first


Kerry went to school with FBI's Mueller (hoickey teammates)
Nader went to school with Rumsfeld and Carlucci.

Go figure...

[blm]

30. Absurd.

And in 30 years of researching S&B and Nazis and Bush, you never discovered ANY connection to Kerry on your own. What should THAT tell you? Kerry's not part of that clique.

[Forkboy]

35. "I said it first"

:eyes:

[WilliamPitt]

37. Actually

"Woop, there it is" is a well-known pop song.

Fear not, seventhson. I would only steal from you if I were desperate beyond description. I am not desperate beyond description.

[seventhson]

43. Actually, I know. I just posted the day before you did

no big deal.

I just thought it was ironic that you would mimic me.

[Forkboy]

46. if he was mimicking you

...nevermind,I wont say it.

[Uzybone]

47. geez are you serious

I said it first??

Do we copyright phrases from mid 90s hiphop songs on this site now?

[seventhson]

51. jusr pointing out the obvious

lack of originality

Anyways - I SAID it was probably subconscious.

He read it and repeated it.


How many times in the last two years has ANYONE said "woops There it is"

I say it and Will says it the next day.

Just kind funny. That's all.

Maybe he likes me

[Forkboy]

55. if anyone had any doubts about your paranoia before

this should be the final nail in that coffin.

[sandnsea]

11. Ignore

It's a beautiful thing. Truly. I only have a couple of people on it, but I enjoy the site about 100 times more. It's amazing!

[dobak]

3. What the hell?

I am a Dean supporter, but why the fuck's sake do you feel the need to trash John Kerry when this thread is about the criminals Reagan/Bush/North.

Build up Dean, don't tear down the other candidates

[Name removed]

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[liberalhistorian]

8. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Eloriel here.

And no, it's not because I'm a Dean supporter, either. I'm getting a little tired of anyone who supports Dean being able to give any opinion at all about Kerry or the others (but especially Kerry) without being flamed or accused of all kinds of evil, nasty things. And I'm also getting a little tired of Kerry's supporters sticking their heads in the sand as to his complete failure to do the right thing and stand up to Shrub and his bullshit regarding Iraq and his "war on terra."

Kerry should have damn well known that Shrub's reasons for invading Iraq were all fabricated bullshit, and he should have damn well known the tremendous powers the PATRIOT Act gave Asskroft and Company. There is NO EXCUSE for his yes votes on either of them. And this post only bolsters that, because if he was so involved in exposing the BFEE, as you claim, then why the hell didn't he see right through Shrub and know that he was going to invade Iraq no matter what? And why hasn't he stood up more firmly against Shrub, instead of being a chickenshit with his head in the sand?

[JNelson6563]

15. this is true, I hope all can admit it

Kerry should have damn well known that Shrub's reasons for invading Iraq were all fabricated bullshit, and he should have damn well known the tremendous powers the PATRIOT Act gave Asskroft and Company. There is NO EXCUSE for his yes votes on either of them. And this post only bolsters that, because if he was so involved in exposing the BFEE, as you claim, then why the hell didn't he see right through Shrub and know that he was going to invade Iraq no matter what? And why hasn't he stood up more firmly against Shrub, instead of being a chickenshit with his head in the sand?

This has been my main problem with Kerry all along. He's so in the know about the BFEE how could he not have known what we knew all along?

Supporters claim Kerry expected the Simian to follow proper channels etc., go to the trouble to do things on the up and up. I cannot see how he could have had such expectations. I certainly never did and I probably have access to a fraction of the info that Kerry has.

Of course I am sure blm will come in and imply I am freeper-esque in my inability to see clearly (a Dean supporter, therefore I am brainwashed no doubt), like last week, but that will not solve this puzzle about Kerry-the-BFEE-investigator trusting Chimpy.

Julie

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

20. The positions are mutually exclusive.

Which one is it? Tireless fighter against BFEE? Or establishment politician? Can't have it both ways.

[seventhson]

26. I'm with Julie!

Kerry let Bush GO in his final report.

Maybe the intent was to smear Reagan and install Bush. Who knows?

[bearfan454]

19. Why isn't Kerry saying

PRESIDENT BUSH IS TOTALLY WRONG FOR GIVING TAX BREAKS TO COMPANIES THAT TAKE THEIR COMPANY OFFSHORE. Good God people. Let's keep American jobs in America. We do not have to export all the jobs we can to lower wage countries like we are doing right now. I want to hear Kerry say he will stop globalization. Will he say it ?

[blm]

22. Open your eyes and ears...He's said so for a year now....

Here's an exceprt from one of his speeches. The first speech he made about it was last Dec. in Cleveland. This should help you catch up.

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/speeches/spc_2003_0828.html

>>>>>>>

As we do more to reward those who are doing the right thing, we also have to set and enforce new standards of corporate accountability and ethics.  The Americans who build up businesses, create jobs, and make a profit along the way are a vital national asset.  I’ll cheer them on – whether they have a stand on the boardwalk or a seat in the boardroom.  But in a Kerry Administration, we’ll hold corporate criminals in the corner office to the same standard we apply to common criminals on the street corner.  The only special access CEO’s who cook the books, siphon off retirement funds, and manipulate stocks will find in my Administration – is access to the criminal justice system. 
It is also vital to restore the balance between those who run companies and those who work at companies.  Corporate responsibility is critical as a matter of defending the free market system and producing jobs and opportunity in America.  It is the best way to defend profits and the marketplace.
That is why American companies should live by American values.  CEO’s shouldn’t get bonuses while their employees get left holding the bag.  For instance, K-Mart lost 2.1 billion dollars.  The result was 300 closed stores, 22,000 laid off workers, creditors scrambling to be paid, and shareholders left with nothing.  But that didn’t stop the company from giving its CEO a 9.5 million dollar severance package when he left.  On the other hand, the people who worked the cash register or stocked the shelves didn’t get a single cent in severance.  They just got the boot.  That’s wrong but what makes this even more unfair is that the government gives corporations an unlimited tax allowance for CEO bonuses even if the executives have done nothing to deserve the money.  As President, I’ll end this giveaway and force corporations to report special perks to the public.
We also have to stop corporations from playing hide and go seek by setting up mailboxes in foreign countries to avoid paying taxes.  Tyco used to be based in Exeter.  Almost overnight, it was suddenly based in Bermuda.  No one had to move, but in a flash 400 million dollars a year in U.S. taxes disappeared into the Bermuda triangle.  But that didn’t stop the Bush Administration from awarding the company 182 million dollars of lucrative defense and homeland security contracts in a single year. 
If I am elected President, dishonest companies won’t be allowed to dodge their taxes by setting up mail drops and with shady shell corporations overseas.  And in a Kerry Administration, they certainly won’t be rewarded with government contracts.
We’ll end the deceptive accounting practices of corporations like Enron – which told shareholders they had a 2.3 billion dollar profit but told the IRS they had a three billion dollar loss.  It’s time to make sure companies tell the truth – the same truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth – to both the


government and the public.  And I’ll repeal the injustices that let CEO’s pay lower taxes on dividends than receptionists pay on what they earn and that protect the pensions of corporate executives but not of their employees.
The original tax code was short; it was 14 pages.  Today, it is very long – 17,000 pages long.  The problem isn’t deductions for charity or mortgage interest.  It’s countless special loopholes – tax breaks you need powerful lobbyists to get and sophisticated accountants to find.  To get those pages written into the tax code, corporations are investing their money on lobbying in Washington when they should be investing in new technology and new skills for their workers.
Special interest subsidies and tax breaks will cost about a hundred fifty billion dollars this year.  They also cost us jobs by narrowing opportunities for new entrepreneurs and small businesses.  They close off open markets and slow economic growth.  As President, I will end corporate welfare as we know it.
Each and every special interest provision in those 17,000 pages has a defender.  That’s why John McCain and I have co-sponsored legislation for a Corporate Subsidy Reform Commission to recommend cuts and submit them to Congress for an up or down vote – with no amendments.  As President, I will sign this into law.

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. How did John Kerry vote on

NAFTA? Anyone...

[JohnKleeb]

27. voted for it but in my research Ive discovered

that on economics hes to the right of Gephardt and Kucinich but to the left of Dean. No offense to Dean in fact his more conservative attiude on economic issues is what makes him a centrist.

[blm]

31. Here ya go, GBNC...ENJOY

seems Public Citizen and CommonDreams were urging support for Kerry's work to make the bills fairer for labor.

The Kerry Amendment To NAFTA
(Nader-founded) Public Citizen:

"The amendment was a modest reform that guaranteed much-needed changes in the NAFTA Chapter 11 investment model in future trade agreements.

Under the model, foreign investors may file a claim in secret NAFTA tribunals to seek compensation when government public interest regulations in any way diminish the value of their investment.

In doing so, the amendment would have instructed U.S. trade negotiators to ensure that future investor provisions do not grant foreign investors rights beyond what the U.S. Constitution provides."

http://action.citizen.org/pc/issues/votes/?votenum=121&chamber=S&congress=1072

The Kerry Amendment to the Baucus-Grassley fast-track trade bill would have limited expansion of NAFTA-style corporate lawsuits to more countries.
Under NAFTA, foreign corporations gained broad powers to sue US taxpayers for financial damages if our environmental, health, or land protection laws interfere with their businesses.

The Kerry Amendment would have ensured that foreign investors have no greater rights than US citizens under the US Constitution.

http://www.sierraclub.org/votewatch/2002/kerry.asp

WASHINGTON - May 21 - Friends of the Earth expressed disappointment in the loss of an amendment to trade legislation that would have protected environmental standards from foreign investor lawsuits. The amendment, offered by Sen. John Kerry, sought to address concerns with investment rules like NAFTA's Chapter 11 that allow foreign corporations to bring suits against environmental laws and regulations.

"By voting against the Kerry amendment, the Senate has paved the way for more backdoor corporate assaults on laws that protect our air, water and land," said David Waskow, Friends of the Earth's trade policy coordinator. "The Senate should be protecting the health and safety of Americans, not watching the backs of wealthy polluters who make big campaign contributions."

http://www.commondreams.org/news2002/0521-13.htm

"The current Fast Track bill is an environmental nightmare," said Carroll Muffett, director of international programs for Defenders of Wildlife. "The Kerry Amendment would have fixed one of the biggest problems with it. Without Kerry, Fast Track is just a license for unchecked environmental destruction."
http://www.charitywire.com/charity51/03074.html

Unlike the amendment sponsored by Sen. John Kerry, the Baucus-Grassley Amendment does not set the U.S. Constitution as the benchmark for the scope of property rights available to foreign investors in the United States.
The Kerry Amendment would repair the investment model of NAFTA. Under the Kerry Amendment, a foreign investor would be required to demonstrate that the policy in question was enacted primarily with discriminatory intent against foreign investors or investments.

The Kerry Amendment is based on U.S. Supreme Court rulings on expropriation in that it would guarantee that future trade agreements improve upon the NAFTA model and restrict such investment protection actions to only those cases where government action causes a physical invasion of property or the denial of all economic or productive use of that property.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2002/0515-04.htm

Dear (Decision Maker),
I am writing to ask you to support the Kerry Amendment to FAST TRACK. The Baucus-Grassley Trade Bill is not good enough. I would appreciate your support for this amendment. Specifically, the amendment will:
1. Ensure that foreign investors don't get greater rights than US citizens or investors. We need to make sure that the US Constitution is the benchmark for investor treatment.
2. Clarify the definition of expropriation in future trade deals to conform with the US Constitution and recent US Supreme Court rulings.
3. Protect US laws on public health, safety and the environment from attack by investor-state lawsuits.
4. Ensures that minimum treatment under international law is defined in a way that follows the US Constitution. We don't want to follow that of some other country.
5. Require diplomatic check. Before a corporation could go into one of the secret trade tribunals to sue for taxpayer compensation (avoiding the domestic court system), they should have to check in with their own government.
This amendment will be voted upon soon. I urge you to vote for it and keep the problems that are already happening with NAFTA Chapter 11 from happening under future trade agreements.
Sincerely,
Your Name
Your Address
http://www.unionvoice.org/alert-description.tcl?alert_id=2005

[blm]

40. Gbnc, COME ON!!!!

I'm trying to help with your education here. For free, even. You don't want to go around uniformed do ya?

[blm]

21. Because he will live to fight another day.

At that time the GOP smeared him as a conspiracy theory nut, much the same way they did McKinney and Henry Gonzalez. Kerry has stuck out all the slings and arrows for 30 years and is running for president, knowing he can REALLY change things from there.

He knew Bush was going in with the IWR or the Biden-Lugar version, the most responsible thing ANY Dem lawmaker could do was to curtail it where they could and PREVENT a REAL blank check that Bush wanted.

If NO Dem lawmaker bothered to negotiate for the better resolution then they would have been derelict of duty, and the people of Iran and Syria would be learning exactly what a REAL blank check for war feels like.

But, that is something the stubborn refuse to recognize, as if there is no such thing as process. Only see black and white, like dittomonkeys.

[JohnKleeb]

7. Eloriel netural here

but didnt Dean say the same thing? BTW I really like how your candiate has organized all these people but Kerry isnt Marshal Petain if anyone is worthly of that name the guy isnt even running.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. That's shameful

Kerry has done many good things over the years, many at the direct expense of his own class. Your abiding religious love of your candidate, and the fact that some ingrates have had the gall to point out that he's not perfect gives you no moral right to say such things.

It's a free country and a fairly free board, but if you care whether your opinion means anything, you might examine your tactics; you've literally hemorraged karma of late, and this particular retort is disgraceful.

[Octafish]

9. Nixon FEARED Kerry...ordered he NOT become "Another NADER."

Read there's a memo Colson wrote about being ordered by Nixon to smear Kerry... Until I find that, here's Nixon and Colson on Kerry the potential new Nader, from the recently transcribed White House tapes:

EXCERPT...

With antiwar role, high visibility

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/17/2003

April 28, 1971, 4:33 p.m. President Richard M. Nixon takes a call from his counsel, Charles Colson.

"This fellow Kerry that they had on last week," Colson tells the president, referring to a television appearance by John F. Kerry, a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

"Yeah," Nixon responds.

"He turns out to be really quite a phony," Colson says.

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" Nixon says.

Yes, Colson says in a gossiping vein, telling the president that Kerry stayed at the home of a Georgetown socialite while other protesters slept on the mall.

"He was in Vietnam a total of four months," Colson scoffs, without mentioning that Kerry earned three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star, and a Bronze Star, and had also been on an earlier tour. "He's politically ambitious and just looking for an issue."

"Yeah."

"He came back a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities," Colson says.

"Sure," Nixon responds. "Well, anyway, keep the faith."

The tone was sneering. But the secretly recorded dialogue illustrates just how seriously Kerry was viewed by the Nixon White House. Some of these conversations have not been previously publicized, and Kerry said he had never heard them until they were provided by a reporter.

Day after day, according to the tapes and memos, Nixon aides worried that Kerry was a unique, charismatic leader who could undermine support for the war. Other veteran protesters were easier targets, with their long hair, their use of a Viet Cong flag, and in some cases, their calls for overthrowing the US government. Kerry, by contrast, was a neat, well-spoken, highly decorated veteran who seemed to be a clone of former President John F. Kennedy, right down to the military service on a patrol boat.

The White House feared him like no other protester.

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

[newyawker99]

13. Octafish

Per DU copyright rules
please post only 4
paragraphs from the
news source.

Thank you.

NYer99
DU Moderator

[JI7]

12. even nader says he likes john kerry

nader has to admit the good kerry does.

[seventhson]

28. Of Course he would. He helpd install Bush why not another Skull?

Kerry's a skull brother of Bush/

Nader's a Princeton spook.

I trust neither of them

[blm]

33. They both worked to expose Bush and

other Dem Senators like Gore were supporting Bush on IranContra. (only because he believed in it policy-wise at the time)

So....who was covering for Bush?

[seventhson]

44. Whahh? Gore supported Iran Contra? Bullshit

Once again you sink to new depths with no link

[blm]

45. He supported the policy.

After it became a scandal and it was realized that more was going on that they didn't know about, then he turned against it. But, as policy, he was behind it at first.

[seventhson]

50. link it or sink it

you bs artist you

[Octafish]

54. When have YOU ever supplied a link to back up YOUR BS?

You are hilarious, SS. I can't recall a single link in ANY of your posts backing up your smears on Kerry. The facts are Kerry has done more to fight the BFEE than anybody else running, and as much as ANYBODY in the whole country.

BTW: To help remind those new to the subject about John Kerry's work on BCCI and Iran-Contra on how RELEVANT it is today's prosecution of the 9-11 conspiracy:


The Press on the BCCI-bin Mahfouz-bin Laden Intelligence Nexus

Boston Herald , December 11, 2001

A powerful Washington, D.C., law firm with unusually close ties to the White House has earned hefty fees representing controversial Saudi billionaires as well as a Texas-based Islamic charity fingered last week as a terrorist front.

The influential law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld has represented three wealthy Saudi businessmen - Khalid bin Mahfouz, Mohammed Hussein Al-Amoudi and Salah Idris - who have been scrutinized by U.S. authorities for possible involvement in financing Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network.

In addition, Akin, Gump currently represents the largest Islamic charity in the United States, Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development in Richmond, Texas.

Holy Land's assets were frozen by the Treasury Department last week as government investigators probe its ties to Hamas, the militant Palestinian group blamed for suicide attacks against Israelis. Partners at Akin, Gump include one of President Bush's closest Texas friends, James C. Langdon, and George R. Salem, a Bush fund-raiser who chaired his 2000 campaign's outreach to Arab-Americans.

CONTINUED...

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q4c.html

[blm]

56. Look at the congressional record, seventhson.

Gore supported Reagan-Bush on their IranContra POLICY.

He came round AFTER the investigation pointed to their deceptions.

[KG]

14. this can't be!!!!

naders organization actually worked to release the documents that HELPED DEMOCRATS EXPOSE REPUBLICAN LIES?

kinda put a dent in the conservative idiots claim that nader is a repook operative, don't it?

makes me nostalgic for the days when dems tried to expose repook lies, instead of repeating them...

[Iverson]

16. gosh

It's almost as if Ralph Nader is not the spawn of demons. Of course, saying so invites accusations of worship and projection of sainthood from those worshippers of a selectively invoked dualism.

How many DU-ers do you think will quit supporting Kerry after reading this thread? I'm guessing 3-4, with a much higher number giving it a passing consideration.

[blm]

23. It also shows people like this work best

when they work TOGETHER.

Kerry took a beating over this from both parties, the CIA, FBI and the press. I think Nader can relate to that.

[KC21304]

29. Blm, there is no use arguing with anyone

who still claims Kerry is not doing enough to fight Bush. They either do not want to know the truth or they do know the truth and are really not on our side. I think that pretty well covers it.

I have never bashed other candidates and will not start now but I'm not going to knock myself out trying to convince anyone here that Kerry is a decent human being who has spent most of his life working for all of us.

I will save my energy for the people on the outside and the big game against Bush.

Until that time I will feel free to comment from time to time on the really obnoxious drivel that still seems to pass for news from certain long time Kerry haters.

I could put them on ignore, as they have probably done to me, but if I still can get a laugh at their expense once in awhile, what the heck. I just don't take them seriously anymore and I wish you wouldn't either. You know who they are.

[Capn Sunshine]

34. Right on dude

Look, I'm a HUGE Dean fan. Sometimes I have to remind the Kerry people a poll taken shows Kerry is the #2 guy for most Dean supporters. If , and I don't know how this is possible at this juncture, Kerry pulls a rabbit out of his hat and takes this thing, I'm backing him all the way. Or ANYONE who wins the dem nomination.

NEVER FORGET WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS{/b]

[KC21304]

38. Thanks, That's the right attitude as far as I am concerned.

We can beat this fraud if we expose him for what he and his handlers really are.

[Paragon]

17. But...but...Nader is a traitor who lost us the election and....

wagawagawagawagawagawagawagawagawagawagawagawagawaga ;-)

[edward]

36. Thank you for the comment.

And especially the picture. Really frames your sarcasm appropriately.

[ima_sinnic]

18. oh right--yawn

Kerry has not exactly been working overtime to work against the BFEE or even to speak out against it. Status quo pretty safe with him around.

[Capn Sunshine]

32. I knew this. I worked with Kerry in the anti-war movement in 1971

Not many recall he was a great firebrand anti-war speaker for VVAW.I booked him at many a demonstration.
Wonder what happened to that anti-war guy?
I like and respect John Kerry.

But he's no Howard Dean.

[UTUSN]

39. Thank Gawd

I try not to attack DEAN or anybody, but the KERRY attacks made me do it. I'm just not responsible.

[blm]

58. I've been saying that for 7 months.

Boy, do I know what you mean!

[John_H]

41. You know what they say...

The family that buys Wal-mart stock together fights terrorism together.

Although Kerry, I'm sure, filed financial disclosures about it. Unlike Fidelity Ralph.

[G_j]

48. how about some focus? Iran/contra

beyond all the sidetracks, this is some remarkable information! I've always thought that to get to the bottom of Iran/Contra is to get to the, well, the bottom. Now, consider the present cast.

A BIGGER, BADDER SEQUEL TO IRAN-CONTRA
Jim Lobe, AlterNet

Just like Ollie North and his cohorts, a small network of officials are pursuing a covert foreign policy agenda -- except their aims are vastly more ambitious.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16597

The specter of the Iran-Contra affair is haunting Washington. Some of the people and countries are the same, and so are the methods ? particularly the pursuit by a network of well-placed individuals of a covert, parallel foreign policy that is at odds with official policy.

Boiled down to its essentials, the Iran-Contra affair was about a small group of officials based in the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that ran an "off-the-books" operation to secretly sell arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. The picture being painted by various insider sources in the media suggests a similar but far more ambitious scheme at work.

Taken collectively, what these officials describe and what is already on the public record suggests the existence of a disciplined network of zealous, like-minded individuals. Centered in Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith's office and around Richard Perle in the Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon, this exclusive group of officials operates under the aegis of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney.

This network includes high-level political appointees, such as Undersecretary of State John Bolton, who are scattered around several other key bureaucracies, notably in the State Department, the NSC staff, and most importantly, in Cheney's office.
...more..

[blm]

49. No argument here. There are a few of us here

who try to keep IranContra and BCCI in full view because they ALL CONNECT, even to 9-11 and our Mideast and Iraq policy.

[seventhson]

52. and they connect to the coverup by Kerry-Mueller

to the support of Bush


and to the illegal and immoral war that we can thank Kerry and his skullmate Bush for

[Octafish]

53. Even you should know it's Louis Freeh that ignored the 9-11 warnings.

Then again, you're main reason for posting here is to smear Kerry 24/7. Sure, Kerry and Mueller knew each other in prep school. Big fucking deal. I, too, went to school with a couple of people who are famous.

Regarding FBI culpability in 9-11 — that lies with Louis Freeh. He did all in his power to squash most every investigation by John O'Neill, the special agent charged with counter-terrorism. Freeh practically railroaded O'Neill out of the Bureau and into his job as head of security for the WTC, where he died on September 11, 2001.

Why don't you ever ask about the REAL crooks in government? All you do is go after Kerry, who is the only person running for President who has actually done anything about bringing some light to the Bush Organized Crime Family.

Kerry investigated corruption in the BCCI and Iran-Contra affairs. In both, Kerry documented evidence of high crimes such as White House awareness of drug running by the corrupt bank, Manuel Noriega, Iran-Contra figures like John Hull and Ollie North. And what about you, seventhson? Did you lift a finger to find out why Reagan, Bush, and Clinton did ZERO to prosecute on that evidence? Don't take my word on it, read what others say:

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q4c.html

http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/north.htm

http://www.dcia.com/bcci.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm

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57. Kerry FOUGHT Mueller and even took cases to Morgenthau

in NY to keep them alive, when Mueller was downplaying them.