Anti-PETA protest in town today....

[Webster Green]

I live near a small town on the California coast. A new shop opened recently to sell vintage clothing (including some old, used fur coats). Peta has been protesting every Sunday, and locals have been turning out to counter protest and support the shopkeepers.

Today PETA didn't show. I guess the rain scared them off, but the locals were out and held the counter protest and barbeque anyway.

The PETA folks sure missed a good barbeque. Man, those rare tri-tips were excellent.

[xultar]

1. Well hell shouldn't they be @ Needless Markups and Saks? at least

with a resale it isn't contributing. @ Saks and others they are doing first time sales.

[krag]

2. Three Words For You

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

[justiceischeap]

3. How do you know it was PETA?

Did they have signs or something that said "PETA?" It doesn't sound like something they would do.(Not that they don't protest fur and other things but it seems they tend to target larger scale operations like Benetton and Wet Seal)

May be local PETA supporters but not PETA itself.


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[Catchawave]

7. Good *PETA* question?!

PETA doesn't usually get involved with "old" fur, they're just trying to educate "preventive future fur buying" to shut down those icky animal abuse industries for profit. Please refer to:

http://www.furisdead.com/

[Piperay]

14. That's right in fact

often PETA gives old furs to animal shelters to be used for keeping other animals warm but some never pass up an oportunity to 'bad-mouth' PETA.

[smbolisnch]

33. Right. They also pass them out to the homeless

living on the street. Where is the harm in that? Some people will do anyting to attack PETA.

[Taxloss]

4. I learned today that I accidentally contributed to the extinction

of a rare species of fungus. I feel extremely guilty about that.

[Catchawave]

8. Not funny...

...sounded like you just "contributed" to the Pharma's <<snork>>

[Taxloss]

9. I wasn't trying to be funny.

I ate, as part of a Chinese meal, a fungus that has since become extinct. I genuinely do feel bad about it; a the time I didn't know it was endangered.

[Catchawave]

10. Um, okay...

Talking about endangered mushrooms are ya <ggg> Have you ever eaten "dog meat" ? Eh?

[Taxloss]

11. No. What are you implying?

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[smbolisnch]

34. I hope you just forgot to add the /sarcasm tag.

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[chaska]

6. I swear this thread, so far, wins the alltime prize for cryptic comments.

I don't have a clue what any of you are talking about.

That said...

Peta may get a little out there sometimes, they may be nuts, but they're our nuts. I'll side with them any day over the counter protesters..., who are demonstrating thinly veiled anti-intellectualism (one of the higher sins, in my book).

[Comicstripper]

24. but they aren't harmless

they have funneled moneys to firebombers and the like. their cause is slightly noble, but misguided. "ethical" treatment of animals implies some universal law of ethics regarding their treatment. no such law exists. they also constantly compare meat-eating to the holocaust, which quite frankly is disgusting and offensive.

[jdj]

29. stop this misinformation campaign.

You can say "Earth Liberation Front" and "Animal Liberation Front" here, and no one will carry you off.

DU just got impugned on the NYT today because someone here said the earth can be hurt.

Humans are animals, by the way. If no law applies to them, no law applies to us, and if you go along with that then why are you not out in the wilds of Montana "off the grid" building bombs in preparation for the coming siege?

There is a thing in this country called freedom of speech; PETA can bring attention to the fact that the right wing mafia of factory farms and agribusiness constantly violate the Animal Welfare Act (which is a set of LAWS that governs treatment of commercial and domestic animals in this country)in any way they choose, as long as they do not break the law. The Cattleman's assoc and the Fur Commission are waging a misinformation war against them with baseless accusations like the one you just made (without any documentation, of course) because they know PETA wants to end any suffering of animals they "own" and this translates into $$$ for them. It is all about the benjamins. If PETA were really doing all the things folks like you accuse them of they would have lost their 501c3 status along time ago. The FBI would have stormed their headquarters, arrested everyone in sight and made off with their computers. Let me know when you hear about any of this happening.

I rather admire PETA because even though they espouse vegetarianism they do everything in their power to make sure that animals in factory farming industries are treated humanely before they die. This is considered "reformist" and a no-no among many VEGAN organizations which won't get involved in the stings PETA does because they don't believe in using animal products at all.

[Piperay]

12. Here we go again

PETA, PETA, PETA ... :argh: :boring:

[devilgrrl]

43. Oh, I know... I feel so put upon by animal rights activists...

they're such a threat to America! :eyes:

[Downtown Hound]

13. I'll say one thing

most of the PETA folks I've seen are far better looking than that guy.

[Kipepeo]

19. I think that guy rocks

Maybe I am just enamored with his sign though. :)

I don't get too worked up over Peta one way or the other. I support their broad views, but I find a lot of their tactics distasteful and alienating. I've found several of their ads to be sexist and fat-hating. And if it's true that they were protesting old fur at a vintage shop then I think they're making poor use of their time.

[baba]

15. I'll never understand why supposed liberals like to bash PETA.

You seem very threatened by them. Sounds like they hit a little too close to your comfort zone.

[Comicstripper]

25. Or....

...maybe it's because their views are reactionary and unfounded?
In my case, it's the latter.
I try to eat as little meat as possible, but for health reasons rather than ethical ones. THERE IS NO ANIMAL CODE OF ETHICS, thus, there is no "ethical" treatment of animals.
I'm all for stopping cruelty, but not at the expense of independent thought and freedom of choice.
PETA is cult-like, violent, and offensive, particularly how often they throw around holocaust comparisons.

[baba]

26. That's ridiculous.

There are many reasons why we should treat animals ethically. One primary reason is that animals feel pain and experience fear. Therefore, farming and slaughter methods should be humane. PETA does undercover work that exposes the poor treatment of animals in some facilities. I'm not clear on what they do that you think is "violent."

[jdj]

31. I think the holocaust thing has gotten into your psyche.

We can't help you. It's your own guilt talking.

PETA is not cult-like, and is non-violent. But of course you knew that already.

[The Stranger]

40. This statement would be considered moronic, if only it rose to that level:

THERE IS NO ANIMAL CODE OF ETHICS, thus, there is no "ethical" treatment of animals.

There are laws governing the treatment of animals in every single jurisdiction. As far as a "code of ethics", they are animals -- not accountants.

But keep posting. This is funny, if not stupefying.

[jonnyblitz]

32. no shit. I always am curious to why people choose this as a topic

off ALL the things going on out there why some have the need to recycle Rush Limbaugh's greatest hits. :eyes:

[jdj]

37. google PETA

human farming methods cost money.

who likes to save money at all costs??

repukelicans, and they run the factory farm, agribusiness industry in this country. And the furriers HATE PETA, and their talking points (freely available online at their sites and on DU) are in line with all the anti-peta comments posted at DU. The main reason is because pelts are worth so much money that they don't want the pelt damaged so they can't possibly humanely euthanize fur animals without damaging the pelt, i.e. losing dough. So they electrocute them anally, smother them, do whatever they can to keep every inch of fur profitable.

[smbolisnch]

39. Right on....

I don't understand it either. Suposedly the party of progressive, compassionate values and here we have the knee jerk posts- "mmmmm, bloody meat!" etc. :eyes:

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[Webster Green]

17. Thats not very nice....

I don't hunt, but I love venison and wild boar. I actually support PETA's objectives, although I sometimes disagree with their tactics.

I think its kind of silly that they target a second hand store that sells some very old furs that they got from the Salvation Army or somewhere and marked up to put in their shop.

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[Webster Green]

20. Perhaps....but not by me.....

I was told by the shop owners and the counter-protesters that the protest was organized by PETA, but now I will have to check to see if that is true.

First time I've been suspected of being a freeper.

Yipes!

[Catchawave]

21. Wasn't my intention to freep ya :)....

..some card carryin' Dems make these sorta accusations too...OY!

Heaven help the Democratic Party....we really need to fact check all our compassionate slings'n'arrows, right?

[Webster Green]

22. Indeed!

Although I may be a card carryin' Green after the 6th. We shall see what we shall see.

Boy, that smoked sausage was good too!

[jdj]

35. I went to an anti-fur protest once.

and it was not organized by PETA.

I can't remember who got it together really.

BUT

Remember when PETA targeted Gisele for signing a fur contract, and hopped up on the runway holding a sign saying "Gisele=Fur Scum"?

In the footage, there is a blond woman that the security guard yanks off the runway with terrible bruteness...turns out I KNOW THIS WOMAN, her name is Kayla Rae Worden. I couldn't believe it, when I saw the video I was so worried because the guard was so brutal, just like the young woman that stopped Rumsfeld's conference last year, the one that yelled from the balcony "Rumsfeld...YOU'RE FIRED!" (this was even pre-Apprentice, maybe that's where Trump his inspiration, he's against the war in Iraq)... anyway, This woman was yanked off the floor so hard she could have gotten whiplash, and she was tiny. It was interesting when Code Pink did their demonstration against Rumsfeld later on, how they were ever so politely lead away by the guards, not a hand on them, at least while the camera was on them.

[justiceischeap]

23. That's why I'm asking if you were sure it was PETA

and not just local PETA supporters. PETA itself (meaning its employees) generally would not get involved in protesting at a second-hand store nor would they even know about said store. There are bigger offenders to be dealt with than some second-hand thrift store that is reselling old furs.

It is also true they encourage people to send their furs so they can be redistributed to the homeless and more recently to women and children in Afghanistan.

[livinginphotographs]

27. Oooohhh how original.

Another PETA-bashing thread, complete with comments like, "Mmmm, I love animals! They taste great!" and other such intelligent comebacks.

Maybe you guys can hook up with ProtestWarrior. I hear they're top notch at counter-protests.

[jdj]

30. Give them credit. This thread has been up for two days

and the crassholes haven't come out of the wood work just yet.

three...two...one....

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[The Stranger]

36. What does barbecue have to do with furs -- other than PETA bashing,

and the poor, twisted logic of an imbecile. You don't barbecue minks and foxes and lynx. To this I can only offer my pity.

[jdj]

38. hey,

don't give them any ideas.

[smbolisnch]

41. It's just a way to twist the knife to the bone.

Hey look Peta, we don't only wear em, we eat em too! :puke:

[Goathead]

42. PETA headquarters

In Norfolk, Va, every once and a while people would come by there and dump raw hamburger meat on their front doorstep. I thought it was pretty digusting and childish and you just know it was freeper types doing it.

[justiceischeap]

44. PETA is not affiliated with ALF or ELF

Anyway, there is lots of mis/disinformation out there about what PETA does. They DO NOT have any affiliation with ALF or ELF. As far as I know, ALF hasn't been active in years. PETA puts much time and effort into undercover investigations so the proof is in the pudding so to speak. They also invest much time in saying it isn't cool to be uncompassionate towards another living being. That is what always got me about people who are anti-PETA, basically there are saying they are against people who are seeking compassion for other living beings.

As far as their holocaust campaign, get your facts straight please. They aren't comparing meat-eating to the holocaust, they are comparing factory farming practices to the holocaust. Some find it offensive but it packs a powerful punch when you see the imagery of what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany and the almost exact same imagery of what happens to animals on factory farms today. It's more about the mindset of people than the actual practice. It was the mindset of many that, IMO, allowed the holocaust to go as far as it did. Some people thought what was happening was okay, it didn't affect them. Well, it's the same thing with factory farming. It affects not only the animals but anyone involved with it, including those that support the industry.

[jdj]

45. that is a very good distinction I had not thought of

I missed that in that post.

People who post against PETA say the same things

firebomb/terrorists/tactics/holocaust/I love roadkill...

or something.

You'd almost think they were right-wingers being used to spread misinformation about PETA, the way they so blithely repeat the standard talking points. I may just one day devote a thread to LISTING ALL the animal rights organizations in this country.

It's suspicious because the fur commission and cattlemen and agribusiness only want to target PETA, and that is because PETA keeps running stings on them and hurting their image and bottom line.