Angered Swiss Jews demand explanations

[drdon326]

Jews in Switzerland are reportedly “infuriated” at a passage in the government’s new extremist report that refers to Jewish extremism in the country.

A delegation of the Swiss Federation of Jewish Communities is calling for an explanation when it meets Justice Minister Christoph Blocher on January 18.

“There is no Jewish extremism here. There are armed security people here and there at Jewish institutions.

But it is completely legal and is carried out at places where unfortunately the state is not in a position to look after our security,” commented Alfred Donath, president of the Federation.

“But these people are not militant Jews. The accusation of extremism is totally false,” he added.

In the latest amended version of the report on extremism, there is a passage which reads that “anti-Semitic action could lead to Jewish extremism prepared for violence.”

http://www.nzz.ch/2005/01/03/english/page-synd5440613.html

[mslux]

1. Bottom Line

Only Jews will protect Jews. Anti-semitism is alive and well everywhere, even amongst leftist Jews. Fortunately, that doesn't stop them from standing up and providing support for others, e.g., Moslem and Hindu tsunami victims.

[Tempest]

2. Do you have any info on Jewish support for tsunami victims?

I'd be interested in seeing information for other purposes.

[sherilocks]

29. Go to the top of this page

where is says Tsunami Relief Donations and click on more.

American Jewish World Service
45 West 36th Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10018
800-889-7146
http://www.ajws.org

[ChairOne]

3. I think someone needs to ask the very serious and important question:

Is it ok for Swiss Jews to hate Swiss whites?

LOL

Poor, poor downtrodden white folks - under attack from all directions...

[sherilocks]

30. I don't understand your question

Please explain. Are you saying that Swiss Jews aren't white? What exactly are you saying? I guess it's too subtle for me.

[drdon326]

31. I think you know EXACTLY what hes saying. n/t

[sherilocks]

32. I can't believe that what I think he said

is posted here on DU. So I'm hoping he'll explain further.

[drdon326]

4. Bottom line...you are 100% correct.n/t

[DulceDecorum]

6. What a nasty thing to say

in a room full of goyim.

[wicket]

8. "Only Jews will protect Jews. "

How so?

[Annus Horribilis]

11. You Couldn't Be More Right

Anti-Semitism in Europe is alarming, often disguised as "anti-Zionism". I have even been victim to anti-Semitism here in America. You are 100% correct when you say "only Jews will protect Jews."

[Jesus H. Christ]

13. It's funny how Americans...

will point fingers at other countries over biases towards people of a certain religion of a semitic persuasion.

[drdon326]

17. Where exactly do you see this?? n/t

[Jesus H. Christ]

21. Are you an American?

nt

[drdon326]

22. Last time I checked....yes.

et tu??

[Jesus H. Christ]

23. Yes.

But I'm not a hypocrite.

[drdon326]

27. OK....GOT IT...Youre not a hypocrite.

so what did you mean by.....

"It's funny how Americans will point fingers at other countries over biases towards people of a certain religion of a semitic persuasion."


perhaps an actual DIRECT answer?

[The Stranger]

14. And it appears with Guantanamo considering "lifetime detentions",

and no one making much of a fuss, that only Muslims will protect Muslims.

Would you not agree?

[mslux]

28. Protecting Muslims

Funny, I just came from a demonstration against the current administration for its anitconstitutional actions such as the treatment of Muslims. We are close with the local Sheik to, among other reasons, let the people at the local mosque know they have community support. In our part of the country, women donned head scarves after 9/11 to counter anti-Muslim attacks. There is a lot going on in this country to protect Muslims, African Americans, and the poor against Bushcos attacks on all our Civil Rights.

[Megawatt]

Didn't European nations and the US

protect the Muslim population in Kosovo from ethnic cleansing.

So, no I wouldn't agree.

[mslux]

5. AJC Establishes Tsunami Relief Fund, Allocates First $100,000

http://www.ajc.org/Home.asp?did=353

[drdon326]

7. "Jewish extremism " ??

i think the swiss are a little too wound up...

theres a different extremism out there that they might have overlooked.

[txaslftist]

24. oh...wound up...I get it...the Swiss...

[theboss]

9. If I were a Jew living in Europe right now....

....I would not be 100 percent comfortable. There are too many stories like this popping up.

[drdon326]

10. No shit.

round 2 just starting.

[Annus Horribilis]

12. Round 2

Unfortunately you are right. But this time we have a country and a military.

[Forkboy]

15. lending some credence to this statement

“anti-Semitic action could lead to Jewish extremism prepared for violence.”

You admit to being ready for violence.I dont consider self defense to be extremism,but the statement says anti-semitism COULD lead to it.That is correct.Just as anti-Palestinian activity could lead to extremism.

[Annus Horribilis]

16. No

What I meant was if they ever come for us again, we have a place to go and be safe. If Israel was around in the 1930s and 1940s, do you really think 6 million would have been slaughtered?

[drdon326]

18. Amazing.

i'm actually speechless.

[Forkboy]

19. That's good news

[drdon326]

20. (I'm going to hate myself for this but here goes)

so you agree with the Swiss report??

[Andromeda]

42. His silence says volumes.

n/t

[drdon326]

44. It must be a tough question. n/t

:eyes:

[Andromeda]

45. There is an increase in anti-Semitism in Europe.

Many non-Jews don't seem to have a problem with it and that's sad.

Jews have always looked after themselves because they've had to. If they had to count on the compassion of the rest of the world they would be extinct.

[JunkYardDogg]

25. NEVER AGAIN!!!!!

Who protected the Israeli atheletes at the '76 Olympics?
Who would you rather have protect you-
Trained Israeli Security People or a bunch of Wankers who can't even capture Bin Laden when he was trapped?
If the Israeli Security forces fuck up- they are dead and so is Israel
If American Security forces fuck up- they are promoted
Nobody else gives a shit if Jews are killed
so we protect ourselves!!!

[jdj]

26. Sarah on "The Real World" took apart Mel Gibson and The Passion

of the Christ on one episode this season.
Sorry to post such a glib response to your serious post, but it was awesome, that girl is a force of nature. She is Jewish, which she has not mentioned until now.

MJ, the Vandy football player, got really rude in response and accused her of being taught all that at "a Jewish college"...she went to Emory in Tennesse, which, she calmly pointed out, is Methodist. She was so awesome, she totally kept her cool even though he freaked and used the f-word to her. This was a great exchange, she is so intelligent.

[HamdenRice]

33. Looked at objectively, there is some truth in what the Swiss are saying

Before I explain this, let me put on my flame retardent suit. OK.

Israelis and supporters of Israel outside the country are about evenly split between Labor and Sharon's Likud. The latter party believes in a number of extreme positions -- that they have an inalienable right to land that God gave them land 4000 years ago regardless of who is living there, that they have the right to wage collective punishment against Palestinians, that they reserve the right to ethnic cleansing, that they have the right to infiltrate and carry out espionage against even the friendliest governments to them. There are many who are even more extremist; here in NYC on cable access, we are subjected to the programming of the JTF, which advocates not only genocide against muslims, but virulent anti-African American and anti-Hispanic racism that makes the KKK look tame.

http://www.jtf.org/


In other words, if Israeli elections and outside Israel support for Likud are any indication, there is about 50 percent support for extremist parties in Israel.

By contrast, of the 1 billion or so muslims, it appears that about 20,000 are actively involved in violent jihadist organizations. Add several hundred thousand passive financial supporters in Saudi Arabia, and you have perhaps 10 percent of the worldwide Muslim population being accurately described as extremist.

The question is all about framing the issue. If you don't consider Likud to be extremist, then there is very little extremist zionism. If you consider Likud and everything to the right of it to be extremist, then I guess there is a lot of extremism among the supporters of Israel. If killing by irregular forces is extremism and killing by organized occupying military forces is not extremism, then I guess the Muslim world is more extremist. But if the technological sophistication of the method of killing is irrelevant, then there is a lot of extremism on both sides.

Everyone should be held to the same standards, regardless of technological sophistication, or "framing" of the issues.

A JTF sampler:

The Mexican Nazis have formed mass organizations with hundreds of chapters and thousands of active members throughout the United States. Through these organizations, they call for the destruction of America and Israel.

Their vicious Nazi Jew-hatred is ironic in view of the fact that self-hating Jews have done so much to promote them: self-hating Jews are often in the forefront of efforts to allow more Third World immigration into the United States, to legalize illegal aliens, to promote anti-white and anti-Semitic "affirmative action" racial discrimination and to promote multilingualism and multiculturalism.

This is important for all white Anglos to know and understand: there are certain groups in this world that the more you do to help them, the more they hate you. For their ugly hatred is based on envy, and since they come from a hopelessly inferior and primitive culture, they will always envy and detest the vastly superior white Anglo culture - and Jewish culture - which they cannot compete with.

Yet as with that other "minority" group that self-hating Jews have done so much for - blacks - the Mexicans have "thanked" the Jews for their help by becoming Nazi anti-Semites every bit as vicious as Hitler and Goebbels.

That is why 94% of blacks voted for the black Nazi Jew-hater Jesse Jackson when he ran for President, even though these black Jew-haters would not even have the right to vote had it not been for Jewish involvement in the "civil rights" movement of the 1960s.

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[drdon326]

39. Niiiice... You freighten me.

did it take you long to translate that from the original german?

[sherilocks]

37. JTF is an extremist Jewish group

what they have to say is indicative of nothing and has nothing to do with the original message. Don't bother with the flame retardant suit. There's nothing here to flame. Citing the JTF is like citing any other ultra extremist group no matter their ilk, worthless.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. It seems very relevant

if an extremist Jewish group exists in the USA, then one might also exist in Switzerland, especially if anti-semitic acts happened. That would prove the point in the report.

[sherilocks]

49. Extremist groups exist anywhere there is freedom of

expression. The link provided is political extremism and not violent, militant extremism which is what the article refers to.

[pschoeb]

34. Christoph Blocher is a fascist

So this is no suprise

[nascarblue]

35. You must admit

Israel's government has done some evil shit in the last 35 years. Their record speaks for itself.

India did not trust Israel last week when they wanted to send a military team. India said basically "we appreciate the offer, but we only need humanitarian aid." In other words, we don't trust you. Switzerland has always been a similarly peaceful country. If they don't want armed Jews running around, it might not be fair but it's their country. I find it hypocritcal for them to be "outraged". My .02.

[sherilocks]

38. Jewish Swiss citizens aren't Swiss?

It's "their" country? Who is they? I hope that you don't feel the same way about American Jews. Although I know some neo-nazis who might feel that way, it's surprising coming from DU.

[Melech Hamoshiach]

41. link?

Did India really do this?

I think Sri Lanka originally did, but then quickly apologized and accepted the Israeli mission.

India and Israel are close allies b/c they are both concerned (rightly or wrongly) about Muslim terrorism, and about Iran and Pakistan getting the Bomb.

[Andromeda]

47. Thanks for clarifying that.

n/t

[shance]

43. Jewish individuals can be as racist/fundamentalist as the next person.

What concerns me is when this is ever brought up with some Jews, its often met with tremendous defensiveness, like dealing with some Fundamentalist Christians when you try to offer a different view point.

The defensiveness with any fundamentalists at times can be pretty insane/superior acting/aggressive.

Any absolutist in general, can manage to inflict signficant harm in the name of "their" god, who often, they are essentially using as a shield in order to inflict their own anger, fear and/or hatred on someone less fortunate or someone weaker.

In the end, it has nothing to do with religion, it has everything to do with the ethics of every individual person.

[NAO]

46. Swiss politics have recently taken a disturbing right-wing turn

Right-wing xenophobes are ascending to power in Switzerland.

They have used the fabulously successful "racial resentment backlash" that worked so well in the U.S. following the Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s.

Just like in the US, the right wingers in Switzerland who were elected on racist, cultural issues have been imposing a cruel, exploitative "free market" agenda. The Swiss are seeing a deterioration of labor laws, declining of overall economic justice and the beginnings of a widening disparity gap between rich and poor.

I hope they wake up and see what is happening before they get too far down that road, as we have in the US.

[Andromeda]

48. I hope they wake up too.

n/t

[Lithos]

50. Locking

While this is an interesting article, it provides little detail while obviously leaving much unsaid. This missing context, omitted detail and resulting lack of knowledge foundation over such a significantly charged issue of bigotry and accusations thereof this highly inflammatory.

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