Last 2 Elected US Presidents to Appear on Larry Kling Live (sic) Tonight!

[elehhhhna]

Tonight: Poppy & The BigDog. Check your local listings!

[JanMichael]

1. Shouldn't that be Clinton and Gore?

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[Annus Horribilis]

2. No

Kerry and Gore.

[elehhhhna]

3. Hell it should be Kerry & Gore! My bad.

[saracat]

4. Is this a repeat?

I am not going to watch. If Clinton says anything about how Dubya "won" I will smash my TV.

[dddem]

6. If I'm not mistaken,

I just heard that dubya wants the two to head up fundraising efforts for the tsunami victims.

[Algorem]

5. taking calls or just e-mails?

[HeilChimp]

7. I don't think Poppy Bush's win was legit EITHER

No way Dukakis lost Maryland and California. Maryland was even more rock solid Dem in the 80s than it is today. (So was Conn., which Poppy also "won"), and Vermont looks suspicious as well.

They really didn't have anything on Duke other than the Willie Horton card. I think the Repugs manufactured several million votes in '88 because Duke got back all the Reagan Democrats. The Skull-and-bones crowd also tossed out thousands of minority votes in Maryland and elsewhere.

To be quite honest, I think they last time a repug presidential candidate's electoral count "victory" actually reflected ALL the votes cast was probably during the Einsenhower era.

[11cents]

8. California was a different state in 1988

It was a swing state at best, tending red, until the 90's. It was a feat on Dukakis's part to have come close to winning it. (The state wasn't called until the next day.) The blue-ing of the state showed up in 1992, when Clinton won, but it wasn't nailed down until Pete Wilson's idiotic advocacy of Prop 187, which alienated Latino voters.

[HeilChimp]

10. that still doesn't explain the Repug's "win" in Maryland

Maryland is one of the most solidly Democrat states in the country. It's been that way for decades. The Repugs managed to sweep every state south of the Mason-Dixon in the last two elections and they still couldn't even come CLOSE to winning Maryland.

Kennedy, Humphrey, and Carter had NO problem winning Maryland during THEIR close elections, because Maryland is in the Dem column except when an absolute GOP landslide (Nixon, Reagan) nudges it in the other column.

Dems were running Maryland for 30 years straight. I did a quick check and here's who they elected during the Reagan era in 1988:

GOVERNOR
William Donald Schaefer (DEM)

LT. GOV.
Melvin A. Steinberg (DEM)

U.S. SENATE DELEGATION
2 DEMS, 0 REPUGS. Dems win in landslide.

U.S. CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION
6 DEMS, 2 REPUGS (and 1 of the REPUGS voted just like a DEM!)

The state was full of progressive leaders including Rep. Cardin, McMillen, Hoyer, Mfume (of the NAACP fame), Mikulski, Morella, and Senators Mathias and Sarbanes.


Now, compare this to the Presidential vote "totals" in Maryland

PRESIDENTIAL VOTE:
Bush/Quayle REPUG 876,167 51.11%
Dukakis/Bentsen DEM 826,304 48.20%

Hmmm. Poppy wins by exactly "50,000" votes. Funny how that works, eh? If you check the electoral map, you will also notice that Poppy LOST the neighboring state of West Virgina (which is full of "God fearin'" homophobes and is MUCH more right-wing than MD), yet somehow, he "won" a Progressive state that no other GOP candidate has been able to accomplish since then, even when Shrub got even HIGHER numbers in the south than Poppy Bush ever dreamed of.

Let's face it, the skull n' bones crowd was up to vote fraud tricks then, just as they are now. The Bush crime syndicate has never vote a legit election, even though they claim close in 1988. And California may have been much more a "Swing" state in '88, but without Reagan on the ticket, I'm find it fishy that they'd turn out in record numbers against Poppy only to "find" he won the narrowest of margins the next day. Even worse, look at Vermont's numbers in '88. Vermont had ceased being a Repug state by the mid 70s. Poppy "won" that state by only a few thousand votes.

Chimpy is NOT my president, and NEITHER was Poppy!

[WI_DEM]

12. Mondale and Dukakis both lost Maryland in the mid to late

80's. Prior to that while it was generally democratic, Humphrey's very narrow win probably was due to the Wallace vote. Nixon, of course, won it handily in 1972. Carter won it in both '76 and '80 probably due to his great appeal with African-American voters and moderate southern roots. Even in '80 the Carter margin was down substantially from his margin of 1976. Since 1992, Maryland like other Northern states such as California and Illinois have moved more solidly to the Democratic party. But we shouldn't take it for granted. In '02 Maryland voted for a GOP Governor and in '04 Kerry won Maryland by only half the margin that Gore did.

[Doctor_J]

9. The sight of Poppy now makes me sick

because he greased the way for his stupid, mean, drunken, moronic offspring to wreak havoc on the planet.

[Algorem]

11. Listened to most of it on radio.Clinton sucks.

If he wants to kiss someone's ass he should get another girlfriend instead of the Bushes.

[WI_DEM]

14. Clinton is much more liked by the Bushies than Carter

At times it is a mutual admiration society between the chimp and Clinton and it's disgusting. Clinton has many times gone on record as saying how much he admires the chimps political skills. As for Carter, Poppy wanted to give him "a piece of my mind" at the Clinton Library opening for having Michael Moore sit in his box at the Democratic Convention.

[Algorem]

15. Carter!Carter!Carter! Are they drugging Clinton or something?

Bush I and his righteous indignation act is too much.When I see him do that I always think he's trying to get the person he's talking about killed.Hope Michael Moore's being axtremely careful.

[OutsourceBush]

13. They are going to explain to the middle class and poor why they

should donate all their money (what's left after 4 years of Bush) to disaster relief in Asia because billionaires and multi-national corporations in the US just can't afford to lend a helping hand. But, if they need billions for bombs, NO PROBLEMO!