Bill CLinton is a piece of work

[ObaMania]

Why in the hell would he work closely with the BFEE? There are many things he can do on the side on his own. He did great work as prez., but as ex-prez, he's a ass-kissing puppet.

[Spinzonner]

1. Do we really know EVERYTHING they did during that surgery ?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. huh?

he was asking us to support the pres for years before surgery

[liberalmuse]

2. Great President.

BAD judge of character.

[depakid]

36. Maybe the weakest President

in terms of using executive power-

That is, of course, if he actually meant to fight for something on the doemestic front other than his and Hillary's political future.

[HamstersFromHell]

3. I wondered the same thing....

...but I kinda figure that Rove, through his sock puppet *, set this up so Clinton couldn't refuse and come out looking good.

If they ask him and he refuses, they can shout it to the rooftops that they asked and "evil" Clinton refused to help his fellow man in need.

If he accepts, * then looks like the "uniter" he's claimed to be all along.

Just my thoughts on it...I somehow don't think Clinton was a *willing* participant in the BFEE plans.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. Good call. I figure the same thing.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

[arwalden]

4. A Piece Of Work?

LOL

[secedeeconomically]

6. I agree completely

He has turned into such a whore that he will do anything to stay in the media light and increase his speaking fee.

[CatWoman]

32. vile. disgusting. sick. stupid.

e. all of the above.

you think that maybe he just CARES about people? perhaps that might be his motivation?

[Dorian Gray]

42. Maybe he just thinks

that raising money for victims of this tragedy is more important than partisan politics. I don't know... it's what I would do if I were asked by the president (whom I loathe) to help raise private moneys for the victims of this natural disaster.

[secedeeconomically]

49. He can do that regardless.

I’m sure if Hitler asked you to put "partisan politics" aside, you would think twice

[CatWoman]

52. can we just put Hitler aside instead?

[Squatch]

7. Using his popularity to achieve results for the relief effort is

kissing ass?

OK.

[Joe Chi Minh]

13. One or two of the Jewish

ex-concentration camp victims attributed unworthy motives to Schindler, despite the risks he took and the fact that he'd spent all his money bribing the nazis.

As someone once remarked, "To some people, virtue is only a superior kind of chicanery". It's as much a closed book as the other way round: the dove-like innocent lacking compensating serpentine worldly wisdom. And that *is* a misfortune, or, post-democracy, the right would never have gained political power in any country. Maybe the original poster and his pals belong more to the latter category, and have just been confused by the constant muddying of the water by the likes of the neocon trolls on here.

[deadmessengers]

8. This isn't about politics

Partisanship can wait. This is about helping people who desperately need it. The Dawg is doing the right thing here, and I'm (as always) proud of him.

[Squatch]

9. What he said.

Ditto.

[smbolisnch]

28. I have to agree with that sentiment.

Someone elses's reference to Schindler is right on, IMO. To the outside world, he could have been the enemy. He wasn't.

[Cuban_Liberal]

10. This is about helping people who are desperately in need.

That's why he's doing it.

[berner59]

11. Agree that the cause is noble...

But I did wince yesterday when he put his hand on Bush '41 and say he's a good man... His criminal son sent our troops off to a bogus war and that is unforgivenable!!!

[Kitka]

22. I winced at that too, though I don’t think Clinton is evil for helping

[DownNotOut]

37. Clinton supported

* and his war. He is playing for the other team. Never forget that.



DownNotOut

[TrustingDog]

46. on Larry King last night...

Clinton said: bush won the election fair and square. and giggled. Wtf did he have to go and say That for as it had nothing to do with the relief effort.

[TWiley]

47. It is about moving social responsibility from government to individuals.

This is a hard core republican issue. Republithugs do not want any government sponsored social programs because it implies that corporations and wealthy individuals have social liability.

It irritates me that Bill Clinton was involved, and Jimmy Carter was not. Mr Carter has been involved in helping poor folks since he left office. Maybe Mr. Carter knows something we do not.

Let the church people and corporations who voted for bush and support the war in Iraq ante up. The cost of this bogus war is the reason they have to ask Americans for cash in the first place.

[Bertha Venation]

12. Oh, God forbid anyone should work with a Republican to raise money

in this cause.

Give me a break, all_hail. :eyes:

[RetroLounge]

14. Bullshit.

RL

[jdots]

27. He is a piece of work

but it's better than a piece of shit.Say what you want about the Clintons & Kerrys , they may make mistakes but they have souls and working brains.

[txaslftist]

15. Horse Manure

Clinton is doing a good thing for the victims and a good thing for the democratic party. You hear the right wing trashing our party constantly on this issue on Reichwing radio, but this one is a no-brainer. So he puts a seal of approval on Bush 41, so what? Bush I wasn't the GWB we've got in the WH now.

Ex prez or no, Clinton is the best face we can put forward. The big dog is huge, and still hugely popular. He's a reminder to the Reich that the dems are the party of heart. Plus, doesn't it look like Clinton, by coming forward first, has pulled the reluctant republicans along into aiding the victims?

I'd say it's both humanitarian and brilliant politicking.

[DinahMoeHum]

23. And remember, Clinton did upstage the Monkey Boy yet again

by responding/getting to the scene first. Just like 9/11. He basically squeezed the Monkey Boy's nuts and shamed him into doing more.


:evilgrin:

[soleft]

16. During election a lot of talk of Kerry supporting Clinton to head UN

Since Shrub has so far remained in office, maybe Clinton's found a way around that

[leveymg]

17. SOME THINGS, BILL BELIEVES, ARE ABOVE POLITICS . . .

one of which is to push Congress to allocate additional aid for the Tsunami victims. The only way to pressure all those xenophobic yahoos on Capitol Hill is to build a truly bi-partisan movement for additional funding. It just won't happen unless there's across-the-board support, and that will take the leadership qualities that Shrub doesn't have.

This isn't as nauseatingly hypocritical as Bill's funeral oration at Nixon's burial. Likely, Bill said nice things about Nixon out of a sense of duty to the office (and out of regard to his own legacy). Clinton came to bury Nixon, but he also gratuitously praised Nixon.

Bill may be a self-interested and compromised politician, but on the Tsunami matter, I think he's doing the right thing.

[The Stranger]

18. We were outmaneuvered by Rove.

The Chimp had to appoint Clinton, everyone was suggesting it publicly and Clinton was the right choice. But Rove included Bush the Elder to dilute the Clinton factor and to try to garner Chimp some credit as well. Rove also decided to have the Chimp send Jeb Bush to the tsunami-hit region, but Jeb Bush looks and sounds so insufferably stupid this appears almost to be a family joke.

Here's the point. Clinton had to accept and could not back out. What Clinton needs to do now is be Bill Clinton -- shine so much in this effort that people forget the imbecile father of the imbecile president. Once again Clinton is once again being beamed into people's living rooms everywhere. He is the greatest speaker recent U.S. politics has seen and wins people over whenever the media covers him. He can still one-up the plotting Rove, simply by being himself.

Someone email him this suggestion.

[quiet.american]

21. You got it n/t

[CatWoman]

33. i get so fucking tired of everything being attributed to Karl Rove

has he replaced God?

I think the only reason he is seen as powerful because people are too willing to give him power.

[The Stranger]

35. If you can't see the political maneuvering behind appointing GHWB and

Jeb to help with the relief effort, than you need more help than I can offer. It may be in vogue now to claim "everything isn't Rove" on this forum, but you are barking up the wrong tree here.

[TwilightZone]

19. Yeah, damn him for helping a humanitarian cause.

You people are something else.

[Bridget Burke]

20. So, what have you done lately?

Clinton is trying to do what he can for the victims of the disaster.

[Danmel]

24. I saw him on the Today show this morning

He looks so thin and drawn. The fact that he is out there devoting what I imagine is still somewhat limited energy to this cause is a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact is we're stuck with Shrub. And the fact that Clinton can be out there, publicly, doing humanitarian work is NOT bad for the Democrats. I'm sure he'll raise more money that Poppy- people like Clinton a whole lot better

[elehhhhna]

25. I think BC said "I'm doing this with or without you"

Hasn't that crossed your minds? Maybe shamed the Bush family into cooperating?

Either way he's behaving the way an ex-President (who gives a rip) should behave.

It's also a convenient opportunity to contrast a great politician against the jokers in the Whitehouse.

[JerseygirlCT]

29. I completely agree

he started this when Georgie wouldn't even speak. If it means working with daddy, then he'll do it to be sure the job gets done.

He's being the bigger person here -- I think we should get off his back.

And as far as PR goes, the damage was already done to Bush. Everything he does from here on in is catch-up.

[RUDUing2]

30. maybe because he is more concerned about what is best for the

people devastated by the earthquake and tsunami then w/his own personal agenda?

Plus if you want to look at it from a selfish issue on his part..he is showing how much more the world trusts him then any of the Bush family or their cronies..making it obvious that they needed HIM to get the job done correctly.

[cruadin]

50. I agree with both your points, but mostly that he wants to do...

what is best for the victims who are still in desperate need of food, water, shelter, medical care, etc.

Arguing over whether or not this helps or hurts the Shrub presidency is absolutely beside the point.

I think your second point, that it does make Clinton look good in comparison, is both coincidental and secondary.

[RUDUing2]

53. ITA..just put it there for people who needed another reason besides

plain old human kindness and compassion.

[mattclearing]

31. I think this is about the Secretary General position opening up.

Someone here probably knows more about this possibility than I do, but I've read here before that he might be kissing ass because Bush can rubber stamp Bill Clinton into the Secretary General position in the UN when it opens up, and he would be an easy favorite were he nominated.

[MadHound]

34. Clinton is doing the same thing that Bush is doing

Obeying the will of his corporate masters. Clinton may talk the populist, leftist talk, but judging from his actions, he is simply another corporate whore.

[Minstrel Boy]

38. While there's much I respect about Clinton,

he was compromised by the BFEE while still Governor of Arkansas. He covered Poppy's Iran/Contra/drug-running ass in Mena. And Little Rock's Jackson Stephens, who has ties to both Bush and Clinton, is an important figure in the BCCI scandal.

[Demit]

39. Has anyone mentioned the philosophy--and the tradition--in political

life, that when you are asked to do something by the President of the United States it is your duty to accept? Please don't scream down on me about all the realities of this being an abomination of a president, and what all the maneuvering really means, etc.

I think it was an important consideration to Clinton. Regardless of the shithead holding the office, the fact is that Clinton as a citizen was asked by the President to do something for his country, and he complied with the duty.

[RUDUing2]

41. exactly..as an ex-president he is showing the respect the office of

president should be accorded, especially by former presidents..has nothing to do with his feelings toward or opinions of the man currently holding the position..Clinton is showing why he is now and always has been a class act.

[matcom]

40. Right. MUCH more important to hate Bush* than

using his power to aid mankind after the most horrific disaster in history.

right. :eyes:

[springhill]

43. He can help.........

I have no problem with that. But why, on every occasion does he have to go out of his way to say how much he likes both Bush's? After all they have done to denegrade him? There is just something very unseemly about that.

[matcom]

45. because he has 100000% more class than they do

that's why

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

44. Some days...

I'm tempted to post one of those "I'm Leaving DU" notices, especially when I read crapola like this.

Of course Clinton is going to use every bit of his influence to aid the disaster victims -- it doesn't make any difference who asked him to do it. What would people have him do, refuse to be involved?

[Minstrel Boy]

48. At least 655,000 people were killed in a 1976 earthquake

in China. And that's not even the most horrific disaster in history.

Not to diminish the tragedy of the tsunami, but just to note the historical record.

[Annus Horribilis]

51. Because Saving Lives

Is more important than politics and Bush.

[rman]

54. what makes you think Clinton "works closely" with * ?

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