'Conspiracy Theory' is what the ignorant use to smear those who know.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

As soon as I hear the words 'conspiracy theory' come out of someone's mouth I stop them and say:
"No, I am well-informed. You use those words to make yourself feel better about realizing I know more than you."

When Fox News and the New York Times turned an eye to DU to smear it for weighing diverse information that didn't match the mainstream media's official cover story, DU admin reacted with denial in anticipation of the tsunami of hostile attention about to hit us from those who know less about hidden military programs than your average American.

This article explains how mass consciousness has been steered for decades to make IMPORTANT TOPICS A 'NO-GO-ZONE' FOR CITIZENS.
http://www.mackwhite.com/tv.html
(The TV Hive Mind)

The accusation of being gullible and paranoid is what the wolves use against those of us who see them hiding in Grandma's clothes. The wolf tells the other villagers who hear the ruckus "oh sure, I ate her all up. With wild stories like that it's a wonder we get anything done at all. Back to work, nothing to see here. That Little Red Riding Hood sure sounds like wacky Michael Moore, doesn't she?"

Today, Tom Delay scorned those who questioned the election's integrity as irresponsible because "what if, God forbid, an election really WAS stolen? And we were numb to the accusation?" Um...yeah.

It's the boy who cried wolf story and no one wants to be the boy that pisses off the other villagers. Being cynical and unresponsive to stimuli is a defense against the marketing blitz culture but it prevents critical investigation of corruption and murder, too.

'Conspiracy Theory' scorning makes very effective mind control. Just use the expression 'kooky kalifornian, tree-hugger, tinfoil hatter, area 51-fan, UFO-ologist, America-hater, socialist, pervert, special interest, terrorist, liberal, or any number of verbal cues to shut your brain off and accept the power-sanctioned group-think that propaganda is designed to induce.

I pop people's bubbles by telling them to look up in a search engine the words 'operation vigilant warrior' along with '9/11.'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL
(Agency Planned Exercises on September 11th)

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html
(9/11 Wargames During Attacks)

When they see that the official cover story of 9/11 makes no sense and the press, White House, and 9/11 OMMISSION PANEL hid it except for a small AP story on 8/21/02, then they begin to understand that conspiracy theories can be where the truth of a matter is hidden.

[Worst Username Ever]

1. That the tsunami was caused by underground nuclear testing

in secret government experiments is a conspiracy theory.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

4. No one suggests that is the case. Straw man.

People share information for the sake of having more information. Not for the purpose of asserting 'Mr. Plum did it in the kitchen with the candle stick' and getting an indictment for Mr. Plum.

The largest earthquake in forty years with enormous loss of life and resulting political and military manuevers is a GREAT time for those of us who already know things to share what they have found out with interested others.

"Do not be afraid to look through the telescope, Bishop. Seeing is not heresy."- Galileo (ok, I made that up.)

Did you know that William Cohen said in a speech at a counterterrorism conference that weather and earthquake effecting technology or efforts to acquire them existed in 1997?
Did you know that international treaties banning such weapons have been written?
Can you imagine the consequences of government or military control in any way of the very planet we live on?

There is a large body of supposition, extrapolation, and leaking about the HAARP program for years now. Are you interested in what the hell that is doing?

Did you know that nuclear testing in the atmosphere in the fifties destroyed the Van Allen Belts of charged particles in our atmosphere?
And created an artificial belt of charged particles?

Scientists are doing things for the Pentagon that 'conspiracy theory' couldn't even begin to describe.

[The Magistrate]

15. Not So, Mr. Memory

People did indeed maintain that, claiming the equipment to do it existed, and that since the event could be viewed as of benefit to the current regime, therefore they must have done. Couching this sort of thing in the manner of "consider the possibilty..." is a very transparent gauze that fools no one.

Mr. Cohen's remark, read carefully, consists of saying Alvin Toffler says scientists are doing this; Toffler is a mere writer of speculative fictions, of the species known as "futurists", and not in any way possessed of inside information on government works. Nor, for that matter, does the existence of research in any way demonstrate that resaerch has been successful, and had issue in a practical mechanism. People are conducting research into super-conductivity; it has yet to appear as a practical commercial device for conducting power in quantity over distance, where it would be most useful, and the research has been in progress for decades.

That a nonexistant weapon should be banned by treaty is of no great moment. Anti-missile systems were banned, or hugely limitted, by treaty many years ago, and there is still, despite much testing, and the recent abrogation of that treaty, no functioning system along those lines in place, the current Potemkin village being erected by our regime being a mere facade that no one expects to actually fundtion in it's designed role. And the problem of hitting one missile with another is one of a far lesser scale than of producing and manipulating the energies required to affect the shifting of tectonic plates.

All the various heavy-breathing ominousnesses written over the HAARP project cause me concern only over the mental stability of their promotors. Their accounts do not hang together; what they cite as proofs do not prove what they proclaim they prove. They do not stand up to critical analysis armed with some knowledge physics, and in many cases, make appeal to purported new and secret understandings of basic physics that somehow have escaped consideration in peer-reviewed publications, or replication in competent laboratories.

"The greatest of follies is the passionate belief in the palpably untrue. It is the chief occupation of mankind."

[JohnOneillsMemory]

17. So the issue is whether people's claims are proveable? YOU LOSE!

Now threads with "...heavy-breathing ominousnesses..." must be wiped from this site and the posters 'alerted on' lest the neighbors at Fox and the NYT see us in our short pants? How alarmist and demeaning to participants of DU.

Well, censorship is another topic. As is the veracity of the fabricated propaganda published by Fox and the NYT.

I sense that you embrace the role of 'debunking voice of reason' on many threads at DU. Is this a hobby or profession? Probably a hobby until you can get the hang of it...

Mr. Magistrate, your reasoning and verbal abilities can certainly shine but I detect over time a tendency towards scorn bordering on authoritarian. I remember all to well being derided by you during the primaries for my criticisms of Wesley Clark's career and my suggesting that the NATO bombing of Kosovo was not all of a virtuous rescue mission the way the invasion of Iraq is now being sold. You suggested that I must therefor be accepting of ethnic cleansing and unwilling to do anything to prevent atrocity. Not a very subtle line of reasoning for one with such a distint vocabulary and legalistic syntax. But that was then. I mention that past instance only because I imply a pattern of behavior on your part when linked with this one.

Back in a scrubbed thread you declared it was a feverish ignorance that could even begin to suppose such things as tectonic weapons were possible using, I'm very sorry to point out, a quite condescending tone with which you kept repeating the equivalent of 'silly fools. Earthquakes are so...big! and humans are so...small! Now go do something that you won't hurt yourself with.'

We both value the ability to discern 'actionable intelligence' from merely interesting suspicions of malevelance. After all, lives are at stake. There IS a war on and it was brought about by playing fast and loose with facts in order to exploit emotions and unsubstantiated assumptions. Neither of us wishes to commit those same crimes against civilised discourse or see too much of it on this website purporting to be in support of a knowledgable electorate enacting democracy. Well, I don't, anyway. I...assume...this to be your stance as well.

Many things I know to be true today were the stuff of 'conspiracy theories' a few short years ago. Having an open mind doesn't mean losing your brains on the sidewalk. (Excepting JFK.)

"Sapere aude. Dare to know."-Horace

The inability of some to understand the tiger better than it understands them perpetuates a tragedy easily avoided with a little curiosity.

(I've heard that the government is counting on our ignorance.)

There is high value in distinguishing between what Rumsfeld called 'known knowns' and 'known unknowns' in the complex web of human activity which can read like an info-war murder mystery filled with all sorts of theatrical "heavy-breathing ominousnesses," earnest naivete, hidden truths, and just plain old lies.

We have learned much about the levels of deception, manipulation, cover-up, and secret weapon development of world governments by researching out of the mainstream and trying to think the way these war criminals do in anticipation of their goals and ends. To stop this pursuit of those Bush Bastards and their allies at DARPA at the borderline of 'proof' would be suicidal. Global warming was successfully delayed from public consideration with Rush Limbaugh's decrying of 'conspiracy theory.' Now we must take souvenir pictures of the polar ice caps before they disappear altogether.

So Cohen was simply parroting a fiction writer, research activities don't guarantee capabilities and treaties against things don't mean they exist yet. So you wrote.

OK. These things are true only so far as they describe absence of proof.
BUT...YOU are making the case for nonexistence of tectonic weapons with no more evidence than those you accuse of the opposite, right?

So what is your expertise (with provided proofs) that compels you to assert "That a nonexistant weapon should be banned by treaty is of no great moment..."

Now, what is your PROOF OF THE NONEXISTENCE of tectonic weapons?
Should your posts be scrubbed and alerted on for this abuse of logic?

Next, you address the HAARP situation by declaring that other people who do so "cause me concern only over the mental stability of their promotors. Their accounts do not hang together; what they cite as proofs do not prove..."

Again, you don't speak to ANY facts about HAARP, just blanket dismissal of...blanket assertions, I suppose. For I must suppose. You offer...nothing but scorn.

Where is YOUR PROOF against those you malign as ignorant?

I hope you realize, to put it on a silver platter, that your dismissal here of 'conspiracy theory-mongers' is fraught with the same errors in logic you accuse them of?

Usually this would be just an interesting discussion about discussions. But now that censorship, scrubbing, and alerts are part of the New Media Eye on DU, I hope it prevents another visit from the House Un-American Activities Brigade at democraticunderground.com. If you are in any way a part of that brigade, I recommend more intellectual freedom with gentler advice from you on its fruitful implementation. We will all learn more this way. Usually a good thing, right?

[oblivious]

18. Fine, Mr Magistrate,let's read Mr Cohen's remark carefully, as you suggest

First he spoke of Alvin Toffler's speculations. Then he said:

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real , and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/cohen-ecoweapons.htm

So an insider has said this is real, and a few people here wish to pursue that. And once again you try your favourite ploy of setting up a straw man, in your opening sentence saying, "People did indeed maintain that, claiming the equipment to do it existed, and that since the event could be viewed as of benefit to the current regime, therefore they must have done."

No sir. You said that. Those are your words. You present a strawman again and again so that you have something to attack and ridicule. You appear to admit as much in your second sentence, that they perhaps did not come out and say it directly. How dare you imply that those are the words or thoughts of anyone here. "Leave off, Sir." Your strategy is transparent and tiresome.

[Raster]

2. The best trick the devil ever pulled was to convince us he doesn't exist.

[Octafish]

14. The BFEE knows exactly what you mean. Why was Poppy in Dallas?

Speak of the Devil:

Here's what George Herbert Walker Bush did MINUTES after the assassination of President Kennedy.

I know because it's what he told the FBI.




SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Edit: Typo. Misspelled the name of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Nuclear would not be the way to stimulate the activity of plate tectonics

however, there may be another way... and the technology that Tesla created/discovered in the 1800's have been studied by the military, (and other big brain people) and have been put into service in Alaska. This is NOT CONSPIRACY BS... this is what your government has been up to without your knowledge or your consent. Go figure. This sort of power was never meant to be in the hands of mankind.

http://www.atlantyd.com/article.php3?sid=339

[found object]

7. why not nuclear?

Plus, check out this discussion over at Indimedia Portland for more on what you're saying and its relation to Indonesia, and specifically Indonesian oil.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/307042.shtml

[AZCat]

11. We discussed nuclear in an earlier thread, if you're curious

This thread had a discussion on nuclear triggers for earthquakes, beginning with Must_Be_Free's post #3.

[Jesus H. Christ]

9. You forgot one.

Oh, and you do realize that last one's a picture of a cloud, right?

[Blue-Jay]

12. Jesus H Christ! That's a big picture!

heh

[Occulus]

10. Can you say anything about

the big shadow in the sky photo in your post? That's very interesting....

[HysteryDiagnosis]

29. Only in French.... you will need a translator... from the link...

La voix de la planète : la résonance de Schumann et ses rapports avec l'être humain

Les fréquences RS sont en rapport mathématiques sans toutefois être des harmoniques exactes. Peut-être est-il plus approprié de considérer la RS comme étant la "Voix .de la Planète", plutôt que comme le battement de son cœur, qui se situe autour des 10 Hz (Lonetree). Il y a une relation harmonique entre la Terre et notre corps/esprit. Le champ isoélectrique de basse fréquence de la Terre, le champ magnétique terrestre et le champ électrostatique qui émane de nos corps sont étroitement imbriqués. Nos rythmes internes interagissent avec les rythmes externes, affectant notre équilibre, nos schémas REM , notre santé et notre concentration mentale. Les ondes RS participent sans doute à la régulation de notre horloge interne, agissant sur le sommeil et les rêves, les états d'éveil et les sécrétions hormonales.

Les rythmes et pulsations du cerveau humain reflètent les propriétés de résonance de la cavité terrestre qui fonctionne comme un régulateur d'ondes. Cette vibration naturelle n'est pas une valeur fixe mais la moyenne de plusieurs fréquences, de même que les EEG sont des lectures moyennes q'ondes cérébrales. Comme ces dernières, la RS fluctue en fonction de la situation géographique, de la foudre, des éruptions solaires, de l'ionisation atmosphérique et des cycles diurnes.

Le physicien finlandais Matti Pitkanen pense que la vie consciente est même influencée par les champs magnétiques interplanétaires et interstellaires. Il a construit un modèle mettant en corrélation les phénomènes psy et le temps sidéral qui désigne comme optimale une fourchette de temps se situant autour de 01h30. . Il y implique le flux magnétique provenant du centre galactique combiné avec un moindre niveau de bruit du champ géomagnétique. L'avancée de ses recherches le conduit à penser que les micro-ondes et les ondes radio jouent un rôle important dans le bio-contrôle, dans l'homéostasie et dans les interactions mentales à distance. Pitkanen suggère que, d'une certaine manière, le système corps/esprit fonctionne comme un bio-ordinateur quantique, dirigeant le couplage des mécanismes de verrouillage moléculaire. Il implique les plasmons comme base des circuits neuraux, et les champs magnétiques dipolaires topologiquement quantifiés - dont les noeuds, les liens et les torsions sont entraînés par les forces géomagnétiques - comme générateurs de changements dans la polarité magnétique.

[Sterling]

5. kick

kick

[seemslikeadream]

6. In the dark of the night

I say my hell is the closet I'm stuck inside
can't see the light
and my heaven is a nice house in the sky
I got central heating and I'm alright
yeah yeah yeah can't see the light
keep it locked up inside don't talk about it
t-t-talk about the weather

DM

[Jesus H. Christ]

8. It's also what the ignorant use to make fools of themselves.

The ignorant being the conspiracy theorists, since they choose to ignore debunking facts.

[Karenina]

20. In whose eyes?

The U.S. *gubmint and MIC is CRAWLING with charlatans and avaricious criminals. They are predatory monsters.

Do they possess the technology to "cause" this 9.0 quake? NO.
Is research being conducted on tectonic weapons? Yes and MUCH MORE.
WHO IS PAYING FOR IT???? Where's the 2.3 TRILLION the Pentagon "lost?"

[HysteryDiagnosis]

30. What sort of madness infests thes bastards that they would consider

such a weapon... I am just about sure a higher force will kick their asses before it comes to fruition.... dumbasses.... tectonic weapons, holy crap. I understand what Tesla was on to.... crap crap crap... these yokels are thinking that you have to PHYSICALLY manipulate matter... Tesla was manipulating the very ether upon which matter exists..... oh ma God.... this is science fiction squared.

[Octafish]

13. Operation NORTHWOODS

Uncle Sam outlined plans to kill Americans to justify invading Cuba.

There's no theory. That's fact.

JFK said, "No." and fired the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

That's fact, too. What happened next, we should ask George Herbert Walker Bush. He knows more than he's let on.

In the meantime...

Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights  a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS.  This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods.  Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba.  These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage.  Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”

SOURCE:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

PDF File of Operation NORTHWOODS, a part of the "Cuba Project."

http://www.utopiax.org/northwoods.pdf

Gee. Do you remember reading this in The New York Times? Probably not. DU, though, is where many people heard of it.

Those who HAD heard about NORTHWOODS were on to the Bush Gang from Day 1. WMDs? Sure...

[Karenina]

22. Oh, you CONSPIRACY THEORIST, Du!

:loveya:

[Octafish]

25. Hey, I resemble that remark!

Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

Meine grosse Freund:

Once I worked as an investigative reporter at a mid-sized daily. We busted a few bad guys and helped crack a crooked S&L. But the big fish -- they got away.

Anyway, as part of my work, I followed Iran-Contra, BCCI, BNL and so forth. For that, and because I dared bring up Dallas and called it "conspiracy," I was labeled a "conspiracy nut" by certain "colleagues."

It didn't help my career or my personal life. It hurt to be marginalized professionally by a couple of words. Today, I'm glad they did. For stating what I know is True helped save my soul.

Take care, good Friend!

[NuttyFluffers]

16. my new mantra, bless you.

"No, I am well-informed. You use those words to make yourself feel better about realizing I know more than you."

applicable to 'conspiracy theory' and 'useless trivia'. i love it. gonna commit it to memory and use it religiously.

[w4rma]

19. Our government needs to be forced to become more open.

An open government will either confirm or put to rest all conspiracy theories.

[dbt]

21. That's IT, right THERE!

They can tell us the TRUTH. It's a hell of a lot easier to manage!

:bounce:
dbt

[shance]

23. Exactly. Which I believe means building locally and moving up from

the line from there. It will take some time and we need some patience and persistence.

We need to build relationships with our city councilmembers, run for City Council, build neighborhood Kitchen Table Democracy groups, etc.

Tip O Neill said "all politics are local". He's right. The Federal wont listen to us until we have to make them listen.

That begins at the local and state levels.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

24. "mainstream media's official cover story"

What exactly is the cover story?

[Behind the Aegis]

26. Interesting take

I like what you said. I also think it is interesting that you mentioned Area 51, which started out as a "conspiracy theory," only to be proved correct. There are other examples of this. It is not to say all theories are well thought out. Some are just plain stupid, but they are at least fun to read. I was saddened to see we are now more concerned about the MSM misrepresenting us, than a free exchange of ideas. To be honest...if it hadn't been for a "negative" report in the MSM back in June, I don't know how long it would have been before I stumbled on this site!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Did we really need this thread again? n/t

[Karenina]

28. Ignore is your friend.

But thanx for the :kick:

[Octafish]

31. And ignorance makes bliss. Still, people need to KNOW.

Zum beispiel, an 18 Juli 2001...


Genoa braces for G8 summit

July 18, 2001 Posted: 6:29 AM EDT (1029 GMT)


LONDON, England (CNN) -- Italian security forces are on heightened alert after a bomb attack in Genoa, where the world's top leaders are to gather for the latest G8 meeting of industrialised nations.

The Italian government had already put in place a widespread security system, including at least 15,000 policeman, army, navy servicemen at a cost of up to $110 million.

SNIP...

The Italian authorities' security measures also include the positioning of surface-to-air missiles at Genoa's Christopher Columbus airport. Dubbed the SPADA, the land-based system consists of missiles capable of a range of 15 kilometres (9.3 miles).

The ministry said the decision to install the missiles is not excessive.

SNIP...

The head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has warned of a plot by terrorist Osama bin Laden to assassinate George W. Bush at the summit and the U.S. President may be staying at U.S. Camp Darby military base in Livorno or offshore on the American aircraft carrier, USS Enterprise to avoid any terrorist risk.

CONTNUED...

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/07/17/genoa.security/

Gee. That was BEFORE 9-11. What else should I not think about?

[seemslikeadream]

32. But they still don't know what it is, do they Mr. Octafish

You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say
When you get home

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?"
And somebody else says, "Where what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God
Am I here all alone?"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations

You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you
And then he kneels
He crosses himself
And then he clicks his high heels
And without further notice
He asks you how it feels
And he says, "Here is your throat back
Thanks for the loan"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Now you see this one-eyed midget
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, you walk into the room
Like a camel and then you frown
You put your eyes in your pocket
And your nose on the ground
There ought to be a law
Against you comin' around
You should be made
To wear earphones

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Dylan

[Octafish]

38. There's EVIDENCE Bush Knew. James Bath knows.

George: I thought we were family?

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield
 
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

SNIP...

In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.")

Tax documents and other financial records show that Bath, an aircraft broker with controversial ties to Saudi Arabia sheiks, had invested $50,000 in Arbusto, granting him a 5 percent interest in two limited partnerships controlled by Dubya.

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

[TomNickell]

33. Bullshit.

"Conspiracy Theory" is shorthand for

"arrogant, immature brat making preposterous claims and accusing anyone who points out his idiocy of being a naive fool."

Conspiracists or Conspiracy Hobbyists may not actually be in the pay of Karl Rove, but they might as well be. They do nothing but make legitimate criticism of the regime more difficult.

[Karenina]

35. WHAT do YOU define as

"legitimate criticism of the regime?"

Every inquiry into what went down is met with this charge.

What do YOU see as a "preposterous claim?"

That the BFEE was involved in JFK's assassination?
That the FBI was involved in MLK's assassination?
That the "official story" of 911 has holes big enough to drive a Mack truck through?
That Republican-owned voting machine companies would NEVER DREAM of tampering with the process?
That the MIC is engaged in research that is OFF-THE-WALL?
That $$$$$2.3 TRILLION wouldn't fund their LUNACY?
That AMERICANS are in the BULLSEYE of an avaricious elite who consider their DEATHS a benefit????
That American troops are COMMITTING GENOCIDE in Iraq??????

Please enlighten me.

[Liberal Veteran]

34. Depends on the subject...Sometimes there are "conspiracy theorists".

Chemtrails used to pacify the populace or to destroy our climate: Conspiracy theory.

AIDS is not caused by HIV: Conspiracy theory.

Tsunami caused by secret earthquake machine or nuclear bomb: conspiracy theory.

As opposed to...


PNAC: not conspiracy theory.

Election irregularities: not conspiracy theory.

[RawMaterials]

36. Conspiracy Theorists By Jolly Roger

http://www.rense.com/general61/dwe.htm


Conspiracy theories arise from evidence. After the government releases an explanation of a particular event, a conspiracy theory is only born because evidence exists to disprove their explanation, or at least call it into question. There's nothing insane about it, unless you define sanity as believing whatever the government tells you. In light of the fact that our government lies to us regularly, I would define believing everything they tell you as utter stupidity.

In July of 1996, flight 800 exploded over Long Island. Shortly after their terrorist explanation failed scrutiny, our government then explained the event by claiming that a faulty electrical system caused a spark that ignited a fuel tank, and the people who doubted this explanation were quickly labeled "conspiracy theorists." More than a hundred witnesses saw a missile travel from the ground up to the plane just prior to its explosion, but rather than being treated as eyewitnesses to an event, they were labeled "conspiracy theorists," which label allowed all subsequent investigation to ignore the strongest evidence in the matter.

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37. Depends on the situation

Really, if I say "Chicago Cubs haven't won the World Series because of the Chinese Government", I deserve it.