POPE: CHILDREN MUST BE PROTECTED FROM VIOLENCE

[emad]

THE POPE: CHILDREN MUST BE PROTECTED FROM VIOLENCE
(AGI) - Vatican City, Jan. 6 - The Pope has called on people worldwide to mobilise "for children affected by the seaquake in Asia ", without "forgetting those children who are victims of war, terrorism, malnutrition and diseases as well as those missing or kidnapped for ignoble trafficking". John Paul II made this comment before the prayer of the Angelus expressing his appreciation for "all those who are working to protect children and, in particular, the Papal institution of the Holy Childhood". "Those who won't welcome the kingdom of God like children, won't be able to enter there", Wojtyla said praying the Virgin who, in the Epiphany, "introduces Christ to the people" to help all men "worship him as children would do". This is the objective of the next world youth day that will be held in August in Cologne, that is the German city where the Three Wise Men are remembered in the cathedral. "I invite young people in Germany and worldwide to start their spiritual journey towards this important event in order to re-discover in Christ, as the Three Wise Men did, the face of God". During the Angelus, the Pope gave his "kind wish of peace and happiness in the Lord to all the brothers and sisters of the Churches of the Eastern countries that are celebrating the Christmas in these days". He also extended his warm welcome to the 40,000 pilgrims in attendance, in particular those coming from Fiumicino on the occasion of the traditional march marking the Epiphany.
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200501061616-1101-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
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[WildClarySage]

1. Gosh, if this had only been the official stance

of the church throughout its history, I would be much less cynical about them today.

[noonwitch]

2. I watched "The Magdelene Laundries" on cable last night

One more reason I'll never be a catholic.

The nuns there abused those poor girls and women so badly.

[barbaraann]

24. Larry Flynt's wife was molested by nuns.

There is one other notable moment when Flynt tells Althea that he had an epiphany from talking to Ruth Carter Stapleton (evangelist and sister to Jimmy Carter) and he has found Jesus. To this, Althea remarks, "I've had an epiphany once, Larry. My daddy shot my whole family in the head, and I was the only one to identify the bodies. I was sent to a good Christian school full of good Christian nuns who put my face into their pussies with their crucifixes on for 8 goddamn years!" If that doesn't make you into a stripper, nothing will.

http://www.zbone.com/zone/movies/flynt.htm

[leesa]

3. That's rich!

[CatholicEug]

4. Let's bring this thread to its obvious conclusion

1) The Catholic Church is nothing but a group of pedophiles

2) Popey is stupid, out of touch and evil

3) Jesus is made up

4) I hate organized religion because it (select one): a. anti-woman; b: anti-gay; c: anti-fun

5) No one listens to us!

[gratuitous]

5. Well, coming from the head of an organization

That has historically and systematically abused children sexually, physically and spiritually, covered for the bad actors, and threatened its victims, it does sort of beggar belief that Brother Karol would evince such concern for children now.

I am hopeful, as always, that the Catholic church can turn over a new leaf. However, their track record going back to their beginning and reinforced through recent decades doesn't do much to reinforce that hope.

Does that mean all Catholics or all adherents to organized religion are evil? No, and I'm certainly not saying that (after all, I are one). But does that mean that the Catholic Church hierarchy comes to this issue with something less than clean hands? Yes.

[emad]

7. "POpe wanted to keep Jewish children in the fold": as per DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1106326

[emad]

6. Missed the point. Organised crime has run organised religion

viz Catholic Church and other faiths, cults and pseudo-spritual superstition-promoting pressure groups for the last 500 years.

In Europe since 1957 the KGB controlled the P2 Lodge which robbed its own bank (Ambrosiano) and killed its CEO (Roberto Calvi), and controlled the election of all primate successors to Pius XII.

As for today's agenda, this pic says more about the situation than a thousand words:

[Taxloss]

8. 4) I hate organized religion because it is (select one):

d: resistant to any form of criticism.

Not that ridicule and hatred are criticism. But when God told you that you're right, then it's jolly hard to raise points against you.

This speech might have met with less ridicule if the Vatican's actions against that tiny minority accused of child abuse had been rather more decisive.

[Jesus H. Christ]

9. Well, since you mention it...

1) No, but like any organization with a lot of members it has a small number of degenerate criminals. Unfortunately, the administration hasn't done enough to remove those degenerate criminals. And that's a damn shame.

2) Well, the Pope is suffering from advanced Parkinson's disease. So he's not really cognizant of what's happening around him, I'm quite sure that all of this stuff coming from "The Pope" is actually coming from his handlers. Evil? Well, he's a bigot. Just because you're religious beliefs support bigotry doesn't mean that bigotry is OK.

3) It's quite possible. Obviously the stuff about miracles and christmas and teaching a man to fish and resurrections is pretty damn sketchy.

4) I hate anything that's anti-woman, anti-gay, or anti-fun. If your organized religion happens to be any of these things, I probably hate it.

5) Well, I don't think anybody's listening to you. Not many people listen to hypocrites. Given some of your previous statements about Islam, your in no position to be complaining about religious bigotry.

[CatholicEug]

12. Wow

When I read your statement, all I could say was "Jesus H. Christ!"

My previous statements about Islam? Village idiot -- I said Islam used to the leader of rational thought and now some Islamists claim the US caused the tsunami. That's hardly bigotry. YOUR statements, however, border on bigotry.

[DrWeird]

16. People who use the word "Islamist" crack me up.

They might as well be wearing a big pointy conical cap on their heads.

Well, there's that, and your apologizing for Churchill's racism, and this little doozy:

"Why don't we see threads entitled: Another Guy Wins 70 Virgins
and then link to articles about muslim suicide bombers? Because attacking Islam isn't vogue. But attacking Christianity has always been in vogue for some folks"

Funny stuff.

[CatholicEug]

20. I guess you

include academics (who distinguish between peaceful muslims and radicals ... called islamists) in your sweeping statement?

As for the other matter, I posted it exactly for the obvious point -- you don't see this kind of crap posted about Islam. But you do about Catholicism. Why is that, Dr. Weird?

[DrWeird]

22. Real academics don't use the word "Islamists"

It drives them nuts. The only people who use it are rightwing pundits, pseudointellectuals, and islamophobes, or combinations of the three.

As for Catholicism, it was Jesus who said that, and she was 100% correct. She criticized the Vatican, not Catholicism.

Now as for you, you pretty much came out and said:

"Stop all of this persecution of Christianity (which only exists in my head) and persecute Muslims. They have it coming."

[CatholicEug]

25. Thank God

You can read my mind! Can you tell me what I should have for lunch?

Regarding my defense of Churchill, I give you this from Emad:

"The esteem he is held in by others who are/were his peers dwarfs that of those who accuse him of racism, imperialism or any other ism.

But Churchill's global contribution to humanity stands head and shoulders above that of any living politician today - many of whom owe their freedom and very existence to the courageous stand that Churchill, Roosevelt and Harry S Truman took during World War II."

Regarding use of the word "islamist," I give you the article quoted by Emad, the title of this thread, and the work of Daniel Pipes ... see below

And check out the work of that damn pseudointellectual, Daniel Pipes, who you know, has written extensively on Islam.

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism
Center for Strategic and International Studies
June 30, 1998
This is a very auspicious date to discuss the subject of Islam and the West, for it was exactly 200 years ago today, by the usual reckoning, that Islam's pre-modern era came to an abrupt end. Tomorrow, on July 1, 1798, Napoleon landed in Egypt. That was the date when the Muslim world became far more aware of Europe, and after which Europe had a more dramatic and direct impact than ever before. If any single date can delineate the beginning of a new era, this one does.

We've been asked to address the question, "Is Islam incompatible with Western civilization?" I can easily say "no" in response. There is as such nothing incompatible about two religions or two religion-based civilizations. They are very broad, they have many strains, and we would have a fairly tame hour were we only to discuss at that level of generalization.

[DrWeird]

26. Crow.

Seems the obvious choice.

[CatholicEug]

27. See above, Dr. Weirdo n/t

[DrWeird]

30. ROFLMAO!!!

Daniel Pipes?! LOL!

"Daniel Pipes, in the Philadelphia offices of his Middle East Forum, the think tank and vehicle for his ideas, has his father's quiet voice and his conviction that the world he studies is separated from the west by a vast civic gulf. "Of the three great monotheisms, it is the Muslim world which has not evolved and become modern. I don't think that Islam is hopeless, but I think that Muslims don't know where they fit in the modern world."


Daniel acknowledges that he is no longer a scholar; Richard claims that he rarely ceased to be. But both managed to break out of the rarefied world of academia, becoming key voices in Republican-dominated Washington."

Would you like some W Ketchup, to go with that crow?

[CatholicEug]

34. Richard?

[DrWeird]

38. Richard Pipes.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/996

[CatholicEug]

40. Well, your point about Daniel Pipes is taken

From his biography, I see that this idiot went to Harvard and has written many books and articles. What a loser.

All joking aside, I didn't know Richard and Daniel were related. Read Richard's book the Russian Revolution. Heady stuff.

[DrWeird]

43. Yes, he's a loser alright.

so are people who think that going to Harvard and writing books makes somebody an intellectual.

[CatholicEug]

45. Gee,

going to Yale and writing a book made some people think Kerry was a genius.

[gollygee]

47. So you didn't vote for Kerry?

For whom did you vote?

[CatholicEug]

53. Third party, baby

I would not support a man, even if he is liberal, who is pro-choice. Sorry.
I'll go to the mat for worker's rights, unions, childcare, etc. etc. But I draw the line at matters of life or death.

[gollygee]

57. Which party?

Most people are pro-choice to some extent or another. Very few believe there should be no restrictions on abortion whatsoever, and very few believe that abortion should be illegal in every single instance.

[gollygee]

69. I see that you had to have voted for the Constitution Party

Michael Peroutka is the only truly anti-aboriton candidate. Bush comes next, and the others are all pretty darn pro-choice.

http://www.issues2000.org/Michael_Peroutka.htm#Abortion

anti same-sex marriage
anti same-sex anything
anti separation of chruch and state
wants religion taught in schools
supports the death penalty (is he still "pro-life" to you?)
end all foreign aid
out of UN
health care is not a federal responsibility
greatly increase spending on missile defense
moratoriam on all immigration and deport all illegal immigrants
no jobs program
no social security
his platform title: God, Family, Republic

If you did vote for this guy, what are you doing on DU? If you didn't, you voted for a pro-choice candidate.

[DrWeird]

50. That's alright.

Some people think that having been a failed business man, AWOL during Vietnam, a drunk, stealing an election, running like a coward during a terrorist attack, and then attacking the wrong country makes George W. Bush a good president.

Anywho, you're starting to slip up a bit.

[CatholicEug]

54. This argument

has gone no where. Alas.

[DrWeird]

55. Oh, I'm betting a lot of people are finding it entertaining.

Alas.

[CatholicEug]

56. Beats working

Anyway, can I return to your original point:

1) Plenty of people, intellectuals, scholars and layman (and the person who started the tsunami thread), use the term "Islamist" to distinguish peaceful islam from radical islam. It's in Wikipedia, for god's sake! :)

2) I refer you to Emad's articulate defense of Churchill ...

"The esteem he is held in by others who are/were his peers dwarfs that of those who accuse him of racism, imperialism or any other ism.

But Churchill's global contribution to humanity stands head and shoulders above that of any living politician today - many of whom owe their freedom and very existence to the courageous stand that Churchill, Roosevelt and Harry S Truman took during World War II."

3) Yes, Daniel Pipes is an intellectual, whatever that means. But if being an author of many articles and books and attending one of the most prestigious schools in the country doesn't make you SOMETHING of an intellectual, I don't know what does. At least, in modern terms.

4) Edited for one last post: Yes, attacking Christianity and Catholicism in particular, is vogue among the left. Beware of that. Traditionally, Catholics, myself included, have supported most progressive causes. But we will not take idiotic assault after assault on our faith. This is why the Republicans have a monopoly on religion in this country. They don't MOCK it! They embrace it.

My statement about the 70 virgins was to point out the fact that the left doesn't seem to mock the beliefs of others ... only Christians are the target.

[DrWeird]

72. First rule of hole digging: stop diggining.

"Plenty of people, intellectuals, scholars and layman (and the person who started the tsunami thread), use the term "Islamist" to distinguish peaceful islam from radical islam. It's in Wikipedia, for god's sake! :)"

Like I was saying, the only people who use it are rightwing pundits, pseudointellectuals, and islamophobes. Or combinations there of. The word itself is ridiculous from a grammatical sense.

As for Churchill, he was a blatant racist. You apologized for it. You're doing it again. But given your attitudes about bigotry, I doubt anybody's surprised.

"3) Yes, Daniel Pipes is an intellectual, whatever that means. But if being an author of many articles and books and attending one of the most prestigious schools in the country doesn't make you SOMETHING of an intellectual, I don't know what does. At least, in modern terms."

No, Daneil Pipes is a pseudointellectual, AND a rightwing pundit, AND an islamophobe. The fact that you hold him in esteem says a lot.

"4) Edited for one last post: Yes, attacking Christianity and Catholicism in particular, is vogue among the left. Beware of that. Traditionally, Catholics, myself included, have supported most progressive causes. But we will not take idiotic assault after assault on our faith. This is why the Republicans have a monopoly on religion in this country. They don't MOCK it! They embrace it. "

No, traditionally Catholicism is attacked by rightwing pundits and supremacists. Nobody's attacked the faith, just various specific members and for a very good and just reason. Your last statement is the most ridiculous one you've made yet. What republicans do is a mockery and a corruption of everything that Christianity stands for, from their support of the death penalty to their bigotry to their tax cuts for the rich.

Your statement about the 70 (sic) virgins is just one of your many self-contradictions.

Alas.

[CatholicEug]

73. I can't believe I'm not reaching

a guy named Dr. Weird!

Emad is a right-wing bigot? Wikipedia is an islamophobe??? What the ...??



As for Churchill, you are 100 percent right. You saw through me. Churchill was a bigot racist homophobe. He was a snake. And I loved him. I am the devil's concubine.

etc. etc.

Where did you get your weird PhD, doc?

[DrWeird]

82. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.

"Nigger" is in the dictionary, that doesn't mean Webster was a racist.

[JVS]

48. You have to be less of a "pro-fun" extremist

A lot of things are not fun, but that doesn't make them bad :-)

[ernstbass]

10. Children need to be protected from priests

[CatholicEug]

13. Attention Administrators

For Christ's sake, please shut down this thread. It's the same thing over and over and over when it comes to the Catholic Church. I don't think this board will tolerate such comments about Judaism, Islam, or Buddhism. Why should we stomach this sort of putrid generalizations for Catholicism?

You have a lot of faithful Catholics who are progressive and want good for democracy. But it's damn annoying when we have to put up with this sort of attack on our faith over and over.

[emad]

14. Censoring a story that is in the public domain? There is SO MUCH

to discuss that it MAY make some people feel uncomfortable.

Though not as awful as the feelings of those whose protests cannot be heard - the silent victims who suffer and who see headlines such as in this news item with shock and disbelief.

[CatholicEug]

17. Now we see the real purpose

of your posting this story ... this story which has nothing to do with the pedophilia scandal.

The real purpose, Emad, is to invite crackpots and idiots to make cheap shots "Oh protect children? What about the pervert priests?" etc etc

I say this: Alienate Catholics at your own risk. The Catholic faithful have traditionally voted Democrat, have been big supporters of labor and workers. But when they are assaulted by the extreme left, they are likely to be driven somewhere else.

[emad]

21. My agenda is not your agenda CatholicEug and you can try

reading between the lines until your eyes pop out of your face but it won't change the perception that denial is the foremost characteristic of your postings.

Given the reams of newsprint about organised crime in the Catholic Chuch bankrupting its coffers, today's story is relevant. EG: Orange County diocese has just coughed up $100 million in settlement of 50 years of sex abuse of kids.

Sweeping it all under the carpet by pleading with the DU Mods to gag discussion of this topic says more about you than anything else you have posted today.

[CatholicEug]

23. I say you have an agenda

Because nothing you have written has a thing to do with the article you posted.

It was, after all, an invitation to attack a 2,000 year old faith. Well done. In the long run, you and I will die, but the Church will continue! Your attacks are nothing but the bites of little gnats.

Exhibit A for the case of narrow-minded bigotry:

Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:53 AM by emad
Missedthe point. Organised crime has run organised religion
viz Catholic Church and other faiths, cults and pseudo-spritual superstition-promoting pressure groups for the last 500 years.

[Skidmore]

66. The church will only continue if it remains relevant to the

times in which it exists. More than one ancient and multi-millenium religion is no longer practiced because its priesthood was more interested in maintaining wealth and a power structure. Christianity is no different than any other organized religion--and there are others, you know. Organized religion is a creation of man, and I don't have much respect for it. I've seen up close the practice of several organized religions and they all are cults--including Catholicism and any given Protestant doctrine you'd name.

[CatholicEug]

67. Incorrect

If you have a faith that speaks truth (and I leave it to you to tell me that Catholicism doesn't speak truth), then that truth is eternal and timeless, and need not conform to the era. There has been MUCH written about this, but I refer you to Leo XIII's letter to Cardinal Gibbons on Americanism ... the question was how far the church could go in adopting American customs.

The answer was: So long as the Church continues to teach ahistorical truths, then adopting local customs doesn't matter. But if modernism means eschewing claims to truth in favor of societal whims, then forget it.


It's called Bene Testementam, I believe.

[Skidmore]

79. What has always been truth for the church has changed

throughout the ages. The church has been susceptible to societal whims. That is true for all doctrines and all religions. The only evidence I'm asked to take as to the nature of Truth as it relates to a higher being is what men say. Men are limited and imperfect and have a wide range of beliefs as to what is true and what is demanded by a diety.

What makes you think that Catholic truth holds any more water than the truths held as firmly by other faiths?

I believe there are many paths to God, only some of which are called by the label of Christian. That those paths are corrupted by culture and the traditions of the people who practice them. Catholocism and Protestantism are European interpretations of grouops of older group of folk and religious traditions to which was added new lore.

What is true is that there are certain moral precepts that are espoused and honored in most cultures. That so many peoples arrive at those moral understandings is not a testament to the specific religous practices of those peoples. It is a validation of our understanding and knowledge of the human condition.

[Skidmore]

15. As long as the Catholic Church

continues to put forth bigots as it's public face (try that William Donohue with the Catholic League), then it opens itself to this criticism.

[CatholicEug]

19. How ironic

You should say that, especially when Donohue is there to PROTECT the American Church from simple-minded bigotry, like that shown in this thread.

[Skidmore]

35. Donohue IS a bigot. Nothin' charitable or

Christlike about that man.

[CatholicEug]

36. Well, I'm convinced

[youngred]

29. Yeah damn those bigots like Mother Teresa and Oscar Romero

or you could name a group that is actaully a public face for the Church and not just assosciated with it.

[CatholicEug]

32. And St. Francis

And Benedict Joseph Labre, who helped the mentally ill
And that bastard Philip Neri
And that prick who helped the lepers on Hawaii, St. Damien
and that fat fuck G.K. Chesterton
and that really really jerky Thomas Merton
And let's not forget that pseudo-intellectual JRR Tolkein

[CountAllVotes]

18. CatholicEug I agree!!!

Sick of this crap!

:kick:

[youngred]

28. Having known dozens of priests

since I was a little boy, and having them over to my family's home for dinners, done extensive work in the church etc, I have NEVER known a SINGLE ONE to molest anyone, and certainly not me.

Exaggerate and stereotype much?

[RUDUing2]

61. but don't you know it is okay to be a stereotyping exaggerating bigot if

you aim it against religion..it is only wrong if it is the religious are the ones doing it.....

[CatholicEug]

11. Oh good. I thought I missed something n/t

[Taxloss]

31. Since you're back, I missed the Pope's firm action against child abuse

When his priests were being accused of it. What was it again? Another speech?

[CatholicEug]

33. Exactly

See, this article wasn't posted for any reason other than to invite attacks/mockery/criticisms on a very old and strong faith. No matter. The Church survived internal conflicts, it survived the inquisition, it will survive the sex scandals, and it will survive DU.

[Taxloss]

37. I wasn't attacking the Catholic Church.

I really would like to know what action the Catholic church has taken against child abuse. Global action, not local. It must have taken some.

[CatholicEug]

39. You asked. Look it up.

[youngred]

41. why don't you show him/her

it would go a long way towards making the discussion more civilised

[CatholicEug]

42. I can tell you what they've done at the USCB

but if s/he wants to make a claim the church hasn't addressed the scandal, s/he should put forth the evidence. Put up or shut up.

[Taxloss]

46. How can I prove a negative?

How can I prove that no such documents exist?

It's a he.

(edited to clarify point)

[Taxloss]

44. Where, exactly? On web searches alone, it's hard to find anything.

Even on Lexis Nexis. I mean, even if you don't want to give me the link, at least say if you know there has been action or not.

[CatholicEug]

49. I see

You make claims that action hasn't been taken, but you don't know. Honey, it's not up to me to prove whether action has been taken or not. Show me that it hasn't, OK, and that the Church has not addressed the scandal.

I can speak from my own diocese (close to DC) and can tell you that they have instituted new guidelines, layman procedures and protections.

[Taxloss]

Good for your diocese. But I asked a very specific question.

Has the Vatican taken action?

I cannot disprove that action has been taken, it's impossible for me to do so. But I can say that I have seen no evidence of Vatican action.

I know that the overwhelming majority of Catholics - and Catholic dioceses - are good. But since this tiny minority has demonstrated themselves to be so bad, shouldn't the central governing body stand up and say what it thinks should be done?

[RUDUing2]

68. links

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/cardinals/documents/rc_cardinals_20020424_final-communique_en.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/11/23/MN172663.DTL

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/22/pope.apology/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1671540.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2043022.stm

http://www.americancatholic.org/News/ClergySexAbuse/

http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex13.htm

I agree it is very *strange* how hard it is to find this info through search...wonder why, since it is out there.....it almost seems like it is being made deliberately hard to find...

[CatholicEug]

74. THANK YOU, RUDUING2

[Taxloss]

76. This is just apologies and "regret".

"The pontiff tucked his one-paragraph "mea culpa" into a 120-page message to Catholics in Oceania on a wide range of issues raised by their bishops in 1998." (From your SFGate link)

That sends a strong message, doesn't it?

The problems of child abuse are based in screening and hiring - it's all very well condemning the practice and firing the practitioners, but until the root problems are fixed, something will remain deepy wrong.

And this isn't an anti-Catholic thing, it would apply to any organisation in a similar position.

Look, this entire thing is degenerating into bitterness and I'm sorry I started it. Besides, I have to leave for dinner. Peace to all of you.

[RUDUing2]

77. read the other links..

[Taxloss]

80. I have done - it's all local action or apologies.

And now I must go to dinner.

[CatholicEug]

51. Since you don't know

I encourage you to find out. Go online, call the local diocese, etc. Don't make reckless accusations.

[Taxloss]

59. What, exactly, was my accusation? nt

[CatholicEug]

60. Read your post

[Taxloss]

63. I have done.

I imply the absence of action by the Pope, and use sarcasm, but I don't see an accusation.

If you would like an accusation, it is this: The Vatican has taken no firm action to stop its priests abusing children.

That accusation may be wrong. Prove it wrong.

[CatholicEug]

65. You want to make a groundless accusation

and then ask me to defend against it? Back it up with facts, or withdraw.

[Taxloss]

70. Well, I know the Vatican did some things

Such as this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2579745.stm

But there seems to be no universal guidance. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the way it works, but it continually seems to react to local situations rather than lay down global rules.

And then it does things like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3937203.stm

[CatholicEug]

75. I'm sorry

I thought you said the pope did nothing more than make a speech. Perhaps I misread your post. Or perhaps you didn't find the material that RUDUING2 posted ... thought you couldn't find anything?

[Taxloss]

78. I refer you to my post #76

I'm happy to continue the argument, but it will have to be another time.

[Bridget Burke]

71. As long as people settle for payoffs & avoid the secular authorities....

Nothing can be done to get the pedophiles off the street. The Church doesn't have jails; governments do.

But the courts ask awkward questions. And criminal courts don't give you money.

[bleedingheart]

52. Pope Obvious II

if your from Pittsburgh..you will get this joke...

[JVS]

58. I was just thinking "duh, thanks captain obvious"

I didn't know that was a Burgh thing in particular?

[bleedingheart]

64. I was thinking about the Mr. Obvious skit on WDVE...

[Catfight]

62. Now that defines IRONY! n/t

[Bridget Burke]

81. It is an inspiring message.

Does anybody actually disagree with it?

Or are you too busy with your own agendas?

[SoCalDem]

83. Message to Pope: Keep them away from lecherous priests..That 's a start

:(

[Moderator]

84. Locking

Thread is becoming inflammatory