If you think Kerry won, then it's wrong to criticize the democratic party

[Proud2BAmurkin]

The job of the democratic party and the candidate is to make sure the candidate wins the election. Why are so many DUers who think Kerry DID win saying they give up on the party, if Kerry won the election and the real problem is cheating by the Bush scum?

If you demand that the democrats and Kerry win AND make sure no one cheats,that's giving the repukes a pass. I'm not saying that the democrats who did fight shouldn't be commended but Kerry and the ones who helped him win shouldn't be thrown out of the party.

[genius]

1. The people voted for Kerry and then the Dem Pty selected Bush

They quit. In every commentary on the voting problems, they made it clear they felt Bush won. They kept repeating the nonsense about Bush's phony win over and over again.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Don't get me wrong, I'm saying if their job is to WIN then they did it.

I worry that when we're talking about cleaning house what we're talking about is replacing people who won with unknown entities

[shraby]

3. That was put in there about Shrub's win

to deflect the other side from saying "sour grapes" and "sore losers". It made the Dems message much stronger about the voting problems that need addressed.

[still_one]

4. The democratic party is dead until proven otherwise

1. In 2000 one Senator should have steped forward
2. For the last 4 years most of the democrats gave * everything he asked for
3. They should have never given the executive branch the authority to declare war on Iraq. Declaring war is the Constitutional right of Congress, and they gave it up
4. Many democrats voted for the medicare prescription drug plan, even though they knew that it limited states from negotiating better deals, and started to build the foundation to prevent U.S. citizens from getting medications in Canada
5. They knew the problems with the black box voting machines, and all the potential problems of trying to keep people from voting, and we were assured that they had it covered. THEY LIED
6. In the end of 2004 Congress, with most of the democrats voted for the 385 billion dollar budget, even though it reduced pell grants, started to weaken roe v wade, and had tons of pork

I am proud of my Senator Boxer, but why didn't they do it in 2000?

too little too late

[InvisibleBallots]

6. kick for Barbara "Spine" Boxer

and the "Boxer Rebellion" - finally someone stands up.

[LiberalCat]

5. There is a flaw in your basic assumption.

You say: "The job of the democratic party and the candidate is to make sure the candidate wins the election." Actually, the job of the Democratic party is not merely to win an election, but to represent the Democrats all the time.

Kerry and the party ran a timid campaign. They did not fight to prove Kerry won. They continually cave in to the bushies and the republicans. They don't state their positions plainly. They make excuses. They are not doing their job.

Even though Kerry won the election, there is much to criticise him and the party for, because, basically, we Democrats have no representation in our government or in the media.

[poe]

7. a rose ain't always a rose in the hall of mirrors

can't give up on what you never believed in. slavishly identifying with any political party can castrate thought process. all public policy should be written for the poor. health care is a right not a privilege. the u.s. military budget should be halved immediately and lowered year by year before the pentagon blows up earth. the "job" of anyone in office is to administer to the well being of all the citizens. can you honestly say the dems in power are doing this? i'm not talking about mckinney', kucinich, hinchey, waters, conyers, etc. but the vast majority of the bunch are careerist political sellouts with grand ambitions.

[rucky]

8. What's Kerry's job, then? n/t

[leftofthedial]

9. The Dem Party has done nothing to fight for the integrity of the vote

this is not just incompetence, it is borderline treasonous (for the elected Dems anyway).