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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:11 PM
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Why the US will never ever prevail in Iraq -
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7644.htm
Iraq: The Devastation

Dahr Jamail


snip - In December 2003, for instance, a man in Baghdad, speaking of the Abu Ghraib atrocities, said to me, "Why do they use these actions? Even Saddam Hussein did not do that! This is not good behavior. They are not coming to liberate Iraq!" And by then the bleak jokes of the beleaguered had already begun to circulate. In the dark humor that has become so popular in Baghdad these days, one recently released Abu Ghraib detainee I interviewed said, "The Americans brought electricity to my ass before they brought it to my house!"

Sadiq Zoman is fairly typical of what I've seen. Taken from his home in Kirkuk in July, 2003, he was held in a military detention facility near Tikrit before being dropped off comatose at the Salahadin General Hospital by U.S. forces one month later. While the medical report accompanying him, signed by Lt. Col. Michael Hodges, stated that Mr. Zoman was comatose due to a heart attack brought on by heat stroke, it failed to mention that his head had been bludgeoned, or to note the electrical burn marks that scorched his penis and the bottoms of his feet, or the bruises and whip-like marks up and down his body.

personal remarks regarding this commentary..... please read the entire article. President Bush states that the insurgents are fighting against freedom....well if this is the sort of freedom you are talking about Mr. Bush, then I would fight to. And to Americans, please do not be dissillusioned into thinking that an election in Iraq will change the outcome. It will not stop until every foreigner or enabler of US colonial power has been evicted from Iraq. It is over. The US cannot win. And what will death squads do other than further erode the US at home and abroad. Get out now. Please end the strife and allow these people to determine their own future.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:19 PM
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1. "the Americans brought electricity to my ass before my... house..."
Bush should be in prison. Its really a disgrace, that criminal
tyrants are left in charge unchallenged by a population claiming to
be respecting the rule of law.

That negroponte is on with the death squads again is just sick
and he should be in prison as well along with those who support
such organized gang murder... its to the point, where there is little
more to do than turn off the TV, skip all the articles on the US
murderers, and just watch the body count tick up over the next
3.98 years on the daily-death/american-murder odometer.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:28 PM
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4. Go and do the homework on Negroponte and then wonder why Iraq is
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 04:29 PM by anarchy1999
such a mess. Negroponte ='s death and destruction = SOA.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:34 PM
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5. Well, that is Negroponte's area
of expertise after all, isn't it???
And while I agree that Bushco should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity - I cannot see it really happening, for the corruption is too engrained.

How further down the evolutionary/humanity scale do we need to fall before realizing what we have become? At what point will America wake up and realize - it isn't coffee we are smelling, but death, destruction, pain and sorrow. I fear that day will never come until an outside force, or forces occur on such a scale as Americans recognize the folly of their leaders.

And what is most telling that no one discusses openly, is that the most powerful military on the planet, backed by the wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth, has been effectively stalled by a third world nation armed by effectively created home made bombs, and a passion undeterred by the US hegemony. The elections will not wipe away the stain of torture, nor will it wipe the atrocity of Fallujah's siege. Talk of death squads now only focuses the simple fact that the US military has failed. No disrespect for troops intended - the success of a mission is only as good as the mission itself - and this one has been mired from the beginning in hypocrisy, mistruths and lies.
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DrCorday Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:20 PM
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2. kinda pessimistic, but i agree
Backs up the idea that "winning" is only going to be measured on a scale of how much we lost.

Will we lose a little or will we lose a lot? The less we lose, the more we win, but the only real outcome is loss. Tricky, eh?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:25 PM
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3. add to your list,\
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 04:27 PM by anarchy1999
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/ and the blog from his mom,

http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/



Saturday, January 08, 2005

Wednesday, January 5th, 2005
Good morning...
I am still in Amman... the weather is cold and rainy...but it is beautiful.
Things in Baghdad are still unsettled, and unencouraging. I do not know whether to go back, or remain here? What is the point of returning, with the security state still bad, and not being able to help people?
We are afraid of moving within the route of the Society, or any other, lest we should become well-known faces, and thus easy targets for criminals.
But what is the point of staying here? Will I send donations and help to the bereaved Iraqis, as world nations are doing to the Tsunami victims?
The catastrophe of the Iraqis cannot be solved with food, medicine, blankets, tents, or donations… the catastrophe of Iraq is much bitter, and cruel.

on edit:

don't forget
www.empirenotes.org

and www.dahrjamial.com
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