Why are Right wingers and fundamentalists so angry? I think it is

[KlatooBNikto]

because they are afraid somewhere, someone is having fun. That cannot be allowed to happen ! So out goes music, sex,alcohol, anything that gives people joy and a sense of community. It has to be replaced by the humorless gloom and doom of the Falwells and Robertsons.

But it is fully acceptable to hate, go to war and kill.And, of course, to condemn the victims of natural disasters like the tsunami as sinners deserving of their fate.

[LiberalEsto]

1. toilet training

theirs was too autocratic, y'know

[Southpaw Bookworm]

45. Probably not far off

If you look at how these folks were parented, it's all about control of someone else's will and the original sin of children, who are always trying to manipulate the parent from birth. They are taught to never EVAH question what their "superiors" tell them, whether it's the good reverend telling them that gays are EEEEVIL or the parent who says they deserved to be hit for spilling their milk on the kitchen floor.

For some interesting therory from a developmental psychology perspective, including some insights into Hitler's character and that of the ordinary Germans who helped him, get thee some Alice Miller.

[pandorasox]

52. A good study is always worth re-posting

Researchers help define what makes a political conservative

[rkc3]

2. I think it's because they are uncomfortable with what's hiding in their

closets and the hypocrisy they spew every time they condemn a librul.

[Erika]

3. They also have a guilty conscience

for voting Bush. They know this war is baseless and wrong and they know Bush isn't leading this country in the right direction.

[liberalitch]

4. They all need a bong hit....

swear to god

[Steely_Dan]

58. LOL

[secedeeconomically]

5. It’s there nature to blame all their problems and mistakes on other

They aren’t able to accept mistakes. Furthermore, all their ideas revolve around blaming liberals for everything.

[tk2kewl]

6. Frustrated little minds yearning to be freed of their self-imposed chains

me thinks

[sui generis]

7. they are fundamentally different from us

that's not "dehumanizing" them as some have accused me of doing, but they live in dark little fearful worlds and cannot under any circumstance take responsibility for choice in their lives. They love to align themselves with authority and power, and of course it doesn't REALLY matter if their god is good and benevolent, just so long as he's the most powerful one out there.

And, in my opinion, the god of the christian bible is kind of . . . petty and vindictive. Just like the fundies and neocons. Go figure.

[neweurope]

12. I agree. The Germans who are on the far right are exactly as you

describe these people.

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[sui generis]

16. is right wing extremism more of a problem in the north

than in Bavaria? I have the impression that it is the geographical opposite of here - what are your thoughts?

[neweurope]

17. Actually in the East :(( Most unemployed are in the east (former

East Germany), also they never let too many foreigners in and people just aren't used to them. Also the "German Democratic Republic" never discussed openly the concept of "everybody's guilt" during nazi-time, assuming "we are all socialists and socialists always opposed Hitler". So to a whole generation in East Germany neo-nazis are something new, something without a bad history. :(

Unemployment in some towns in East Germany is about 20 to 30 percent! And people who wonder how to pay the rent will forever follow the guys with the "simple answers".


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[sui generis]

19. I think you've hit the nail on the head there

poverty, hunger, and idleness drive many people either to religion or crime, and sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

Look at the unemployment rate in the middle east and see how extremism is rampant among young men who see religion and particularly religion in politics as a means to ultimate power, excluding even women in their philosophy.

Somewhere along the way, faith has less and less or nothing to do with it.

(tschüss - I have to run for the day!)

[neweurope]

23. "Faith has less or nothing to do with it" I agree. If everybody

were living comfortably we wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately the West has been doing his damndest to impoverish everybody else and we now reap the fruit of this... PLUS in my opinion we have a new "the Jews have poisoned the wells": "The Arabs have caused 9/11!"

Just read a harmless piece about an islam fashion show in Germany. They interviewed a girl in modern clothes who had come with a lot of traditionally clad girls. When interviewed she didn't say: "I don't care about this headscarf bull". She said: "I'm just not ready for this yet."

And I could understand her. If I belonged to a people/religious community who was ridiculed and called terrorists whatever they did or didn't do - I guess I would start wearing that damn head scarf too. With pride.

It's US that's the problem.

I wish you a good day :)

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[arbusto_baboso]

50. You hit the nail on the head!

I've been arguing with a conservative religious fundie acquaintance of mine over the best policy for the country. Most discussions end with me saying, "It's not that black and white."

Recently she replied to me, "Isn't it frightening for you, living in a world with no absolutes?"

Notice I never said there were NO absolutes, but that's what she heard (probably because for her EVERYTHING is an absolute). And she finds uncertainty scary. THAT is what seperates us from conservatives, folks. They are so scared shitless of uncertainty that they will support anyone, anything or any doctrine - religious or political - that shows certainty, no matter how WRONG or IMMORAL is may be in actuality. That's how you get people who condemn abortion because they are "pro life" yet support an unjustified, unnecessary war that's killed over 1300 American troops and countless Iraqis.

As for me, uncertainty doesn't scare me. People who are always certain scare the crap out of me, though.

[DivinBreuvage]

57. You're confusing the Christian Bible with the Old Testament

But that's okay, fundies and neocons make the same mistake.

[blueheeler]

8. Gotta cut footloose!!!!

:silly:

They do not want to be on this planet. They think there is something better and they hate anyone who lives in the here and now and enjoys living on this planet, rather than that utopia in the sky. Poor things.

[soup]

25. Hey, blueheeler.

My first thought when I read the original post was in that same 'you forgot Poland' vein -

"You forgot dancing."

welcome to DU :hi:

[blueheeler]

33. Thanks!!!

:hi:

[newyawker99]

42. Hi blueheeler!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[blueheeler]

56. Thanks to you too

B-)

[DireStrike]

9. repressed sexual tension.

The exception that proves the rule: Scalia. He isn't really that angry, but then he participates in orgies.

Too bad he's a nutcase.

[BOSSHOG]

10. In red states

there is plenty of sex and alcohol and drug abuse and incest and divorce and spouse abuse and teen pregnancy amongst bush supporters and a great influx of federal dollars for social programs amongst those who bitch and moan about tax and spend liberals. It must really suck being a "conservative" in America today. I live in a red state, but I think its time the dumbasses in red states try to destroy the union again. And this time, when we kick their asses, let us make the change permanent.

[KlatooBNikto]

13. One can be sexually active while actively hating one's sexual partner.

[tk2kewl]

11. Compare the pics from this freeper thread to the pics from one of ours

Them: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318649/posts
Us: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2399549

I think that might give a hint as to why they are frustrated and repressed. We are a much sexier group.

[American Tragedy]

26. Damn, we are a good-looking bunch, if I do say so myself.

But more than that. I feel like we're generally more sensuous and open.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. The anger is a cover for their fear. They are very vulnerable and

dysfunctional people and life terrifies them.

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[hadrons]

15. also, its 'positive thinking' gone awry ....

many believe deeply in positive thinking and when reality doesn't conform to this they seek to blame others rather than accepting that they have unrealistic expectations

[housewolf]

18. Because they feed daily and weekly

on messages of persecution and hate. Their leaders preach that they are a persecuted victim group, stimulate their outrage and puprposefully direct it at a supposed enemy. It's tragic.

[superconnected]

20. It's their fundamental beliefs in God

Their God hates them, and everyone else. He sends them to hell for being Gay, believing in any other religion, masterbation, etc. He can't handle anyone going to Heaven that deviates from their specific rules. All other religions are sinning against him and can't make it into heaven - that includes poor people in 3rd nations that have never heard of Christ. They're into God punnishment and not happiness. If there is Happiness in God - it's from direct obedience to the stern absentee landlord.

Luckily many Christians have a God that loves everyone, doesn't care if you masterbate, doesn't care if you're gay, doesn't need you to be Christian to get to heaven, etc. They however have a whole different set of fundamental values. Primarily - their god loves them. It's too liberal for the fundamentals to handle.

[MisterP]

22. that's quite profound

[KlatooBNikto]

29. The taboo against sex as a pleasurable activity between two consenting

adults tells me how much they hate it when somebody else is having fun. And therein lies the source of their anger,their frustrations,their warmongering and so on.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. Conservatives get angry about abstractions.

The topics that disturb them: disobeying the bible, Clinton's "sexual indescretions," the "size" of the federal government.

Liberals get angry about actual, tangible issues that affect the lives of the majority of people. The topics that disturb us: wars for corporations THAT ACTUALLY KILL LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, lack of health care and living wages SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING STARVE TO DEATH WHILE WORKING THEIR LIVES AWAY, encroaching fascism, BECAUSE, Y'KNOW, LIKE, HITLER WAS A FASCIST 'N' SHIT?!?

Conservatives get pissed off about stuff that doesn't really affect anyone adversely except the moneyed/"moral"led elite.

[Done]

24. Because they're on a mission from God.

:crazy:

Arrogance, self-righteousness, intolerance.

[immoderate]

27. Conservation of Pleasure Theory

There's only a certain amount of pleasure to go around. And when anyone is having a better time than they are, they get upset. they hate any one else using up all the good times.

right wingers see pleasure as a zero-sum game. It's at someone else's expense. That's part of what they like about it.

--IMM

[TrogL]

28. Control, me me me me me me

RRR's want everyone around them to behave in a manner pleasing to them and they'll do anything to make it that way. They are unwilling to think "outside the box" so they drag stuff into the box that doesn't belong (often wrecking the box in the process) (OK, is this analogy dead yet?)

I liberal will discover "my son is gay" and figure out how to make that work.

A RRR will find out "my son is gay" and attempt to modify the son despite all evidence that it won't work.

(on edit, I suppose I should actually answer the question)

Unfortunately, it doesn't work which he finds frustrating, and the situation gets more complicated (RRR's hate complexity) which he finds frustrating and having completely ignored Christ's message of love, he has nothing left but hate and anger.

[hfojvt]

30. you have two different groups there

Most of the fundamentalists and Republicans that I know are not angry. Many of them are stern, but not really that angry. The shouting heads on TV are trying to tap into America's general angriness, that we are working too hard at jobs we hate and barely getting by. Even those who are doing well want more and want it quicker.
In fact, I do not even think there is a talking head who is as angry as I am. If I were to discuss the BFEE it would be hard not to slip into profanity. People like Michael Moore and Ted Rall and the Clintons have the ability to make them angry by suceeding and by spreading a non-conservative message (perhaps less so with the Clintons). Still people who work hard, who get victimize in crime, pushed around by their bosses (or treated rudely by customers), etc. are naturally angry and they are trying to tap into this. Also, a bad mood is very contagious.

[spooked]

31. They're just MEAN people

and they were pretty much born that way, I'm afraid to say.

[spooked]

32. TAKE THIS TEST and find out how being Right Wing is a Personality Trait!

The Myers-Briggs theory that says there are 16 distinct personalities based on the possible combinations of these sets of traits...

Introvert vs. Extrovert

Intuitive vs. Sensor

Thinker vs. Feeler

Judger vs. Perseiver

Here is the LINK to the test, http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

When you are done you will discover which of the 16 personalities you are.

I believe that the majority of Democrats are NOT T's or J's.
We tend to believe that being merciful is more important than being punitive.

TAKE THE TEST!! REPORT YOUR SCORES!!
I'll bet we have a very high number of NF's IDEALISTS at DU
(DU Types would be ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INTP, INFJ...)

Anyway, 25% of the world's population is made up of "TJ" types, which, I believe makes up the majority of fundamentalist Christians.

[YNGW]

35. Neat Test.

I'm "INTJ", and this page calls it the "Mastermind".

"The Portrait of the Mastermind Rational (iNTj)

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition, it is the contingency planning or entailment organizing role that reaches the highest development in Masterminds. Entailing or contingency planning is not an informative activity, rather it is a directive one in which the planner tells others what to do and in what order to do it. As the organizing capabilities the Masterminds increase so does their inclination to take charge of whatever is going on.

It is in their abilities that Masterminds differ from the other Rationals, while in most of their attitudes they are just like the others. However there is one attitude that sets them apart from other Rationals: they tend to be much more self-confident than the rest, having, for obscure reasons, developed a very strong will. They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of the population. Being very judicious, decisions come naturally to them; indeed, they can hardly rest until they have things settled, decided, and set. They are the people who are able to formulate coherent and comprehensive contingency plans, hence contingency organizers or "entailers."

Masterminds will adopt ideas only if they are useful, which is to say if they work efficiently toward accomplishing the Mastermind's well-defined goals. Natural leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command of projects or groups, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once in charge, however, Masterminds are the supreme pragmatists, seeing reality as a crucible for refining their strategies for goal-directed action. In a sense, Masterminds approach reality as they would a giant chess board, always seeking strategies that have a high payoff, and always devising contingency plans in case of error or adversity. To the Mastermind, organizational structure and operational procedures are never arbitrary, never set in concrete, but are quite malleable and can be changed, improved, streamlined. In their drive for efficient action, Masterminds are the most open-minded of all the types. No idea is too far-fetched to be entertained-if it is useful. Masterminds are natural brainstormers, always open to new concepts and, in fact, aggressively seeking them. They are also alert to the consequences of applying new ideas or positions. Theories which cannot be made to work are quickly discarded by the Masterminds. On the other hand, Masterminds can be quite ruthless in implementing effective ideas, seldom counting personal cost in terms of time and energy."

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For the most part, that's accurate. I'm pretty damn aggressive.

[spooked]

36. INTJ's are the most Perfectionist of all of the Types

Here's a great link all about INTJ's.

http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html

From my experience, INTJ's also have the hardest time choosing a mate because they tend to have VERY high standards.

Well, so far you have DISPROVEN MY THEORY which is a VERY INTJ kind of thing to do!! LOL

Anyway, it says a lot about John Kerry if an INTJ picked him. May I ask if Kerry was your first choice?

[hfojvt]

38. I also ended up INTJ

but just barely a thinker and only 33% judging. One of the famous INTJs was Donald Rumsfeld, but another one was Thomas Jefferson.
Kerry was not my first choice in the primaries and I was ABB in the general.
My first choice would be Kucinich, but pragmatically, that was impossible. I sure thought this hit the nail on the head:
"Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness."
"Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do, sometimes won't know how to take him. He ain't wrong, he's just different, and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's alright."

[spooked]

44. So did John Kerry "make sense" to you as an INTJ?

What do you think are the predominant Myers-Briggs personalities types at DU?

[hfojvt]

47. I do not understand the question

Clearly Kerry had more integrity, decency, intelligence, and compassion in one of his nose hairs than Bush has in his whole body. There has not been a question for me since 1999 that Bush is a liar and a person whose Presidency would be bad for the country and the world. It has been worse than I imagined, even though I wrote in Oct 2000 that "quite frankly, a Bush Presidency scares me".
As far as the personality types on DU I do not know enough about either DUers or the personality types to hazard a guess. I would guess that if Donald Rumsfeld, Thomas Jefferson and I have the same personality type that the difference between us is based on something other than personality type.

[spooked]

48. oh, I was just refering to your quote

"Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense."

I was just hoping that Kerry "made sense" to you, and the MSM's attempt to make him a "waffler" didn't have any sway on you.

[hfojvt]

51. I still think a waffler is far, far better than someone

who makes a wrong choice and refuses to admit it, or learn from it, much less fix things. In fact one of Kerry's big mistakes, IMO, is when he said he would have voted for the war anyway. He had a perfect opportunity to point out the difference between October, when he voted, and February, when I protested the push to war, and March when Bush started the war. The inspectors had been working for sixty days by then and the October vote is what got them in.
The perfect example of someone expecting another person to make sense is in Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot" when Al tries and tries to explain his joke to Newt Gingrich, but Newt refused to understand. I would expect any Democrat to make more sense than that. Maybe it was just Newt's crowd of sycophants which made him so unreasonable. See, I even expect Newt to make sense.

[spooked]

54. LOL now that's a tall order

thanks for the explanation too.

Yeah, in my heart of hearts I would have prefered Kerry to take a strong anti-war stand.

[Brewman_Jax]

46. Just took the test

it said I'm INTP. That won't get me kicked off, will it? :scared:

[spooked]

55. you're a very political creature!

I should have mentioned that type since my political junkie college boyfriend was an INTP. lol :)

Did you read more about INTP's? They are very much the "Thinkers" of the types.

Here's a good link for more info.
http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html

Here's a quote from the link:

"For here is the central goal of the INTP: to understand and seek truth."

[hollowdweller]

34. not enough sex. Jacking off over piles of money just isn't as satisfying

[eek MD]

37. Sometimes...

Sometimes i think that they must have a constant "if it feels good, it must be bad" saying playing constantly in their mind......

but then again, maybe they're just evil... :) (I don't remember them ever saying chocolate is bad)

[newyawker99]

43. Hi eek MD!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[juajen]

39. Because they know their "Great Leader" was not elected!

N/T

[NuttyFluffers]

40. lack of dietary fiber.

prove me wrong :dunce:

[ChairOne]

41. The Civil Rights Act of 1964.... been waiting ever since then..../eom

[greyfox]

49. We should ALL be angry

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34...

Download this 2 and a half hour film... doesn't take long at all... and watch it.. how can ANYONE not vote to impeach and jail Shrub and cronies?

[Aristus]

53. If my maw 'n' paw were brother 'n' sister, I'd be angry, too.

:evilgrin: O8)

[hatrack]

59. Two basic reasons: 1) They are fearful 2) Major Daddy problems

And those are, I think, the root of the whole shebang.