(Prince) Harry's Nazi get-up

[LeftCoast]

Britain's Prince Harry apologised today after he was pictured on the front page of The Sun newspaper in a Nazi soldier's uniform he wore to a fancy dress party, the royal family said.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Harrys-Nazi-getup/2005/01/13/1105423591296.html

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What a fucking moron.

[DrWeird]

1. Good lord.

No pun intended.

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[spooked]

173. I don't think he would have pulled that stunt if Diana were still alive

n/t

[MissB]

3. He couldn't think of anything else?

I agree. What a moron.

[DownNotOut]

133. Like who....?

Himler....?

[davidinalameda]

4. thank goodness he's the spare

and not the heir

what an idiot

[Skittles]

54. they will never acknowledge that Prince Charles is not Harry's father

but if my mum knows it I'm sure most Brits do too

[Andromeda]

76. Who is then?

.

[Skittles]

155. can't remember his name

red-haired guy

[KurtNYC]

94. If he was ever about to take the throne, I think they would

because he is no blood relation to any of the royal family.

The father is alleged to be James Hewitt. Side by side pictures are here but I've seen better ones:
http://theinternetforum.co.uk/rf/harry5.html

[truebrit71]

134. Anyone that takes a look at Harry and Charles...and then....

..takes a look at Harry and James Hewitt (Di's lover)...and then tells you that Charles is the father is out of their tiny minds...

I feel sorry for the poor bastard because it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious, none more so than at Di's funeral when he walked next to William who is the spitting image of his mum, that he does NOT share the same genes as Prince Charles...

Oh, and for those of you that think that we Brits should get rid of the Royal family because it won't really hurt tourism, just ask the French if they secretly wish they had been a little more circumspect with the guillotine back in the day....

[Skittles]

156. LOL, Americans will tell ya to get rid of the royals

while we can't even get rid of the BUSHES. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. :D

[Jawja]

106. Perhaps

the "spare" seeks attention? He seems to get himself in the news quite often to embarrass the royals.

[smirkymonkey]

165. He should date one of the Bush tramps.

That would REALLY cause an uproar!

[barb162]

178. LOL, LOL, LOL,

[Piperay]

192. Hahaha

that would do it all right! :D

[progressiveBadger]

5. Wow...

just... wow.

[Reverend_Smitty]

6. Holy crap...

what an idiot!

[LeftCoast]

7. I've been looking for a link to the Sun article

Can't find it yet. Would appreciate someone posting it if they happen to run across it.

[CountAllVotes]

30. someone just posted it

oh well I tried!

Click on the link above to view it ...

What a disgrace to "the royal family" :grr: :puke:

:kick:

[NYC]

8. Not a good sign.

Why was he willing to wear this? I'm sure he didn't give it equal weight with the Cinderella costume. This is really not a good sign. Furthermore, he is sorry if he offended. Because possibly he didn't?

In a statement, the prince said: "I am very sorry if I caused any offence or embarrassment to anyone. It was a poor choice of costume and I apologise."

[rainbow4321]

9. They're running out of excuses for his behavior...

Seems like he has been having problem after problem the last few months/year...problems happen, he gets sent to another country til things calm down. Maybe if they let him stay in the UK and take the heat for his actions, he might grow up?

[Kagemusha]

10. Why do you all care?...

Rarely am I so inclined to tell people to chill but...

Chill.

[Tacos al Carbon]

20. It's important

because it gives sanction and a degree of legitimacy to some very, very real racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic and generally loathesome nazi-like tendencies among a vocal segment of the British (and, generally, European) populace.

[susanna]

71. More than that...

his grandparents and/or great-grandparents suffered under the bombing raids of WWII (Blitzkreig, anyone?)

I'll agree with an earlier poster; what a bonehead move.

[theboss]

115. Though his great-uncle was a favorite of Hitler's

The Windsors have always had some unpleasant German connections.

[takebackthewh]

168. Well they basically ARE German.

It started in 1840 when Queen Victoria married some German named Saxe-Coburg or something.

After WWI, the king at the time thought it would be a real good idea to change the family name to a nice British-sounding Windsor.

Changing your name doesn't change your blood, however.

[devilgrrl]

11. The Windsor's are a bunch of Krauts anyway

I'm not shocked by seeing that picture - the House of Windsor is just as scary as the House of Saud

[PassingFair]

32. LOL

Sour Krauts.

[goclark]

37. or the House of Bush nt

[Dirk39]

60. Funny, very very funny...

Hello from Germany,
the 3 seconds every year, I'm proud of being a german is when someone reminds me that Hitler wasn't a german, just like Arnie...

Now, we're even responsible for the Windsors...

Just give Arnie 10 more years...

Dirk

[zann725]

77. You're right...about Arnie! He's my 'Govenator'...scares me to death!

n/t

[kiki]

96. Hmmm...

Hitler = Austrian, invented the concept for the Volkswagen.

Arnie = Austrian, invented the concept for the civilian Humvee.

The only difference may turn out to be that the Volkswagen is a better car...

[takebackthewh]

169. Is there really any significant difference between an Austrian

and a German?

[kskiska]

199. As the old joke goes…

The Germans used to be Nazis.
The Austrians still are.

[susanna]

72. You're probably right...

but it isn't about how his family feels. It's about how the rank and file British feel...isn't it?

[American Tragedy]

153. Yeah, well, a lot of us Americans are a bunch of Krauts too

I suspect that I am closer ancestrally to Deutschland than William & Harry.

[Cooley Hurd]

12. Great headline from the Daily Telegraph: Harry a Sorry Nazi...

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1260&storyid=2503569

Harry a sorry Nazi


January 13, 2005

LONDON: Britain's Prince Harry apologised today after he was pictured on the front page of The Sun newspaper in a Nazi soldier's uniform he wore to a fancy dress party, the royal family said.


LONDON: Britain's Prince Harry apologised today after he was pictured on the front page of The Sun newspaper in a Nazi soldier's uniform he wore to a fancy dress party, the royal family said.

The Sun's front page showed the prince, with a cigarette and drink in hand, wearing a swastika armband.


The newspaper said he had attended a fancy dress party in the uniform of a fascist soldier.

:D

[deminflorida]

13. Well, he is a kid....

Damn...maybe he roots for Lazio too. Then maybe there really is something to worry about.

Who knows, British humor can be really dry. Maybe it was a warped joke of some sort. His grandmother probably is having a cow, however.

[devilgrrl]

42. Interesting that you should bring up Lazio...

I didn't know diddly about Italian Soccer (Calcio) until I did some reading up on it. Afterwards, I came out of it as a loyal fan of ROMA and any other club that was hated by Lazio fans. What a bunch of fascist thugs they are! :puke:

Go ROMA!

[ghostsofgiants]

62. A kid? He's damn near 21!

He should fucking well know better. Moron (Prince Harry, not you).

[chaumont58]

75. How old was Clinton when he wrote the letter to an Arkansas NG col?

In the letter, he wrote of loathing the military. The repukes NEVER forgave him for that, even the chickhawks. Prince Harry is old enough to know the difference. His life has just been too fuckin' soft. The CNN story talks of Jews being outraged. Jesue, how about any surviving WW II vets. The British Army fought from September 1939 to May 1945 for Prince Harry? I don't think that little puke should ever be allowed to enter the Army, any country's army. What he has done is not forgivable.

[ExclamationPoint]

14. I guess he never listened to his mother

Thanky god the royal family doesn't have any real political power anymore. Willy doesn't seem to great a choice either.

[Sandpiper]

15. The result of generations of inbreeding

n/t

[exploited]

65. Just look at their grandfather...

Prince Phillip (The Queen's husband) is a prime role model for this kind of behaviour. He also fits in well with the theme of the party -- "Natives and Colonials". I'd be surprised if one of the other bluebloods attending the party wasn't dressed in a lionskin, daubed with black bootpolish and wearing a bone through his nose.

Actually, we don't have to look far (or even at another family). Harry's older brother Prince William was reported to have 'dressed in a home-made lion and leopard outfit' (no mention of boot polish though)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1538&e=5&u=/afp/britainroyalsharry

Back to granddaddy Prince Phillip, the racist, misogynist, silvertailed bigot...
This is what he said when visiting Aborigines in Australia in 2002.
"Are you still throwing spears at other tribes?".

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

16. well, his grandparents are german

but still, it's bad taste.

[Esra Star]

41. No they're not!

But he probably just likes Hugo Boss gear in general.

[LostinVA]

81. His Grandparents aren't German

Prince Philip is Danish, but more English than the English. Queen Elizabeth does have some German blood in her, but her mother was British through and through.

I'm 40, and have had an English pen pal since I was 9 -- I probably know as much about the Windsors as Burkes Peerage... to my embarrassment.

[truebrit71]

135. Prince Philip is Greek...not Danish ....

...

[LostinVA]

147. Au Contraire!

The Duke of Edinburgh WAS a prince of Denmark and Greece, but he isn't Greek per se. His father Prince Andrew, was the grandson of King Christian IX of Denmark, and his mother was the Princess Alice of Battenberg,and was the daughter of Prince Louis of Battenberg (Germany, but she has English blood in her, too). He was Greek in name only, as his family was manipulated onto the Greek throne to further British foreign policy.

[truebrit71]

166. He was born in Greece.

His father was Prince Andrew of GREECE. He renounced his GREEK Royal title in 1947. His grandfather was a prince of Denmark who became the King of GREECE.

So let's see..he was BORN there, his father was a PRINCE of Greece, and his Grandfather was KING of Greece....

I'd say that makes him pretty bloody Greek to me!!!!

:-D

[Taxloss]

17. Runs in the family.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2074100.stm

[CountAllVotes]

24. uggga!!

Yikes! You got that right!

[bluestateguy]

18. That's a shame

But his big brother William is a class act.

[Sin]

25. Or at least we see that he is

Grooming for being a king one day I'm sure also involves making you look like the best.
I think he is acting out because he is not the heir being the black sheep then again it could be worse then that. Whelp at least he isn't killing prostitutes in White Castle. Truely horrible pick on wearing that in way you look at it, he gets my vote for upperclass twit of the year.

[TahitiNut]

19. I wonder if he's a fan of "Liberty Heights"?

One. Of. The. Funniest. Scenes. Ever.

[elcondor]

35. Love that scene/movie!

;-)

[Eloriel]

21. What incredible symbolism

Sometimes outer events, no matter how "thoughtlessly" done, really do express inner realities.

Unbelievable. And very frightening, actually.

[KansDem]

22. ...and George W. Bush must be green with jealousy!

President Bush calls together his cabinet and demands "Get me the name of that limey kid's tailor!"

[hopein08]

39. When is that picture from?

It's not the cabinet, right? I see Frist, Wyden, and Melissa Hart in the picture, I think.

[CountAllVotes]

23. beyond ...

a fucking moron. Charlie must be proud! :D

:grr:

[Ilsa]

26. Yeah it was pretty stupid.

Still you have to wonder how crappy it must be to be scrutinized all the time and you aren't even ascending to the throne. Can't even go to a party without someone questioning your motives and judgement. I wonder if they ever used to discuss this sort of thing over family dinners? Naaaah.

Not that I feel sorry for him or anything. No point in doing that. It's more like empathy for a brief moment.

[roguevalley]

59. he is either unbearably arrogant or stupid BECAUSE he gets

the scrutiny. He either doesn't care if they see him in a nazi suit or he could give a rip about being caught. His whole 'class' sucks. By the way, he looks like Diana's soldier paramour, James what's his name.

Poor Diana. She would knock his block off. ALl this kid does is drink, fight and act stupid. Horses ass.

[nickinSTL]

139. No, that's all the tabloids report on

He actually has done a fair amount of charity work, something he actually seems to care about.

[sea dee]

27. what's the big deal?

what's the big deal? it was a costume party.

I've dressed in drag for costume parties and it doesn't mean that my "thing".

[sea dee]

34. didn't John Lennon dress like a Nazi a few times?

didn't John Lennon dress like a Nazi a few times?

[Johonny]

43. I know Keith Moon use to...

The dude went to a fancy dress party! You people do know the guy at your halloween party dress as the devil isn't really Satan but just Burt from accounting. Last time I check it was perfectly ok in normal everyday moral society to dress up to a costume party as either a good or a bad guy.

[bloom]

138. People should not make that assumption

a judge in Louisiana lost his job for 6 months over a Halloween costume he wore to a private party (wearing blackface and handcuffs).

So actually people are not allowed to exhibit bad judgment even when they are "pretending".

[Johonny]

149. Well

It turns out most of the human population is aloud to have bad taste. Actually dressing up as a Nazi is not bad taste if it's for jest at a costume party. No more than say Louis XVI or Marce De Sade or Neapolitan or George Bush (which I saw about million of this Halloween).

I think you'll find that Judge are held to much different standard than the general population. Almost as if they weld some power or something. If Harry had any actual power that say of a judge, then may be I get your side point. Now Ted Danson got same of the back lash the Harry is getting for black face. Which goes to show me that todays standards are set by the touchiest people because they complain.

[roguevalley]

185. Keith was even worse. He wore his nazi suit in jewish neighborhoods

strutting and making the camp survivors insane. He was a stupid fuck.

[DrWeird]

45. Let's see if I can explain this to you in terms you'll understand.

You see, there is this magical far away land called ENGLAND. Now, many years before you were born, ENGLAND was in a war with some horrible bad trolls called NAZIS. Now, there was some bad stuff that happened between the KING of ENGLAND and the NAZIS, but I'm afraid we'll have to wait to explain it to you when you're older.

So the moral of the story is, only naughty little boys dress up like NAZIS.

[tjdee]

68. People here dress up like Osama...

So...???

It's not the smartest thing ever--but you know, I guarantee he was trying to piss off Grams.

on edit--
I just saw the picture, and seeing the swastika reminded me that there are millions of Jews and others (like myself) who are deeply offended by that. Seeing the big ass swastika changed my opinion. I was thinking khaki Hugo Boss, and saw, obviously, what that actually means.
Had I been at the party I would have felt very ill.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/13/rhs_harry,0.jpg


Seems he just said gee, let me dress in brown and slap on a swastika and some collar thingies, instant costume. :grr:

[Violet_Crumble]

79. Does dumbing it down mean you ignore it was a fancy dress party?

Sheez. So much fucking hysteria about a FANCY DRESS PARTY. I didn't realise the US was unlike the rest of the world and in the US dressing up in fancy dress for a party is happening in a world where there's no difference between reality and fantasy. Strange, cause from what I've read in this thread, most of you would be shrieking and hollering about that evil show Hogan's Heroes, what with all the Nazi insignia on display in that. Can I hire one of you hall monitors to explain in *snicker* simple terms to my friends why it's so offensive that they've gone to fancy dress parties as Ronald Reagan (mass murderer), prostitutes (Eek! Some of my friends must in reality be prostitutes according to the logic in this thread!), Saddam Hussein, and the list of potentially offensive fancy dress garb goes on and on and on. No more! We must all recognise that fancy dress parties are in fact reality and our choice of costume means we are what we dress as!

The royal family is redundant, and if Americans ceased their gawky fascination with anything royal, be it good or bad, the world would be just that little bit less pathetic than it is now...

Violet...

[Ripley]

87. Now THAT is funny! Blaming Americans!

Yep, it's all our fault! Our gawky fascination with anything royal? Um, wouldn't that be England's stupid obsession with their existing royalty?

Other than that...I agree this is much ado about nothing. Hogan's Heroes and countless History channel shows nightly. My friend says about the H channel...."Yeah, I have dinner with Hitler every night." (referring to her husband's obsession with it).

And also, it is perfectly legal for American bikers to wear swastikas on their jackets. See it all the time. But I couldn't see a future politician wearing it.

[theboss]

123. Right. The Royals are America's fault.

Because we buy Fleet Street tabloids all the time.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

47. Excuse me......

Harry is in line (number 2 but he IS in line) to be the official head of the English State. Having someone who could be the HEAD OF STATE of a WESTERN POWER dress up like one of Hitler's HENCHMEN does NOT look good.

:eyes:

[Dorian Gray]

48. Actually, he is Number 3

Prince Charles is #1, and Prince William is #2.

No point to this post, other than correcting that little mistake that I, myself, made when I first saw the headline! :)

He is a bit of a ass, isn't he?

[JVS]

73. Not a real head of state

[theboss]

120. You aren't third in line to the throne

And the country was nearly annihilated by Nazis.

It would be tasteless regardless of who it was, but a Royal just can't do this.

[leftynyc]

124. If the royal family wishes to remain

significant, they most certainly will be held to a higher standard. And if you can't see the difference between dressing in drag and dressing as a Nazi (knowing his family history of remaining in London during the Blitz), I don't think anyone can explain how this is the very definition of BAD TASTE.

[Dover]

28. WHY? Was he trying to make a statement about his host? His duties?

The people he is surrounded by?

I'm just wondering whether there was an explanation given...NOT that it excuses a very poor choice of symbolism at a public affair.

[pschoeb]

29. Actually the whole party was offensive

The theme for the gold medalist Richard Meade party was "Colonials and Natives" held at Meade's Equestrian Center. What fucking aristocratic scum. Harry was dressed as a Nazi African Corp soldier.

[bloom]

141. that is a good point

While what Harry wore would not be considered appropriate for nearly any situation - what is up with creating a situation for which is was (appropriate). The situation itself being the thing that exhibited a blindness to the plight of people who have suffered degradations by the hands of fascist and imperialistic types of governments and their leaders (which he represents). THAT seems like the larger problem - deserving of attention.

[Journeyman]

31. A "fancy dress party" and he's got his shirt out and collar undone?. . .

Not only is he a miserable human being, he makes a miserable faux Nazi, too. But then, whattaya expect from a stereotypical "welfare mama baby"*?



*Lest I get flamed: For every child "Chuck" and "Di" popped out, they got an additional stipend from the state. Sure, it's more than the average would ever expect to receive, but just because you receive more doesn't make you more than the rest. And lest anyone get the wrong idea, all my Irish buddies and I used to stand and cheer whenever the "royal couple" passed by. I still remember our enthusiastic cheer: "Up chuck and die! Up chuck and die!" (Oh yeah, democratic to the core, that's me.)

[malaise]

33. Didn't Lissie's peeps

publicly support the Nazi's? At least the kid is in costume. England supported the Nazis early on then changed. He was stupid but way less dangerous than current English support for the war in Iraq or their former PMs son involved in a coup.

More diversion while people die daily because of their policies.

[hopein08]

36. Duke & Duchess of Windsor

both went to Germany and met with Hitler (Heil Hitler salute and all) in the late 1930s. There were rumors that it was in Hitler's plans to overtake Britain, through out King George VI and Queen Elizabeth (known commonly now as the Queen Mum) and replace them with the would-be puppet King Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) and Wallis (Duchess of Windsor). The rumors are pretty well unsubstantiated, though. During the war, the Duke was the Governor-General of the Bahamas...George VI wanted him out of Hitler's reach in Europe. In addition, there are now rumors that the Duchess of Windsor was having a affair with Ribbentrop in the years just prior to all-out war.

Just to clarify, the Duke of Windsor was the current queen's uncle.

I love British history and I was just reading about this in "The Roosevelts and the Royals" (an excellent book).

[AP]

49. FDR had them tailed in Bahamas and FL because he thought they

were spies.

He was probably right.

My suspicion is that Hitler cut a deal with them. I bet he promissed to restore them to the throne if Germany beat England.

By the way, notice that Hitler never dropped bombs on any of the palaces except once and it was a single bomb that didn't detonate and it was an accident.

[emad]

129. I think it is very easy to fall for this misinformation. The Roosevelt

stuff is humbug.

Duke and Duchess of Windsor were twice targets of Nazi assassination attempts. The Duke also twice refused any reversal of his abdication and this is a matter of UK historical record.

The destruction of a wing of Buckingham Palace and ensuing events is still classified top secret in UK Official State Secrets. Jo disclosure or public discussion is allowed in the lifetime of "Elizabeth II".

[AP]

50. FDR had them tailed in Bahamas and FL because he thought they

were spies.

He was probably right.

My suspicion is that Hitler cut a deal with them. I bet he promissed to restore them to the throne if Germany beat England.

By the way, notice that Hitler never dropped bombs on any of the palaces except once and it was a single bomb that didn't detonate and it was an accident.

[malaise]

85. I lived British history

and there is no love affair here.
This is great diversion for the next few days. Forget how wrong Bush and Blair were about the WMDs and concentrate on a stupid costume at a fancy dress party. Oh MSM is good.
Meanwhile kill some more Iraqis and don't tell the world why that election is crucial.

[emad]

127. Post 122 refers.

[Aristus]

38. Wasn't Nazi sympathizer Edward VIII Harry's great-grand uncle

or something?

Just asking.

[superconnected]

40. maybe it's his way of getting out of the military

LONDON (AFP) - Britain's Prince Harry apologized after he was pictured on the front page of The Sun newspaper in a Nazi soldier's uniform which he wore to a fancy dress party.

Thursday's edition of the Sun features Prince Harry, younger son of Britain's Prince Charles and the late Princess Diana, wearing the uniform with an armband showing a swastika, emblem of the Nazi Party.

A spokeswoman for the royal family who was contacted by AFP read a statement of apology.

"I am very sorry if I caused any offense or embarrassment to anyone. It was a poor choice of costume and I apologize," Prince Harry said in the statement.

A source close to the royal family said the party took place sometime after January 1.

Doug Henderson, Labour MP for Newcastle upon Tyne North and a former armed forces minister, said Prince Harry should not now be allowed to become a British Army officer.

"After the revelations this evening I don't think this young man is suitable for Sandhurst," the army officer training school, he said.

"If it was anyone else the application wouldn't be considered. It should be withdrawn immediately," he said.

The Board of Deputies of British Jews welcomed the apology, according to Sky television.

"We're gratified that the prince has apologized. The incident was in bad taste, especially in the runup to the holocaust memorial day, which the royal family will play a leading role in commemorating," it said.

Holocaust memorial day is marked on January 27, the day in 1945 when the Soviet army liberated Auschwitz, the most infamous of the Nazi World War II concentration camps.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050112/wl_uk_afp/britainroyalsharry

[mitchum]

44. Because he's descended from a long line of bloodsucking scum?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

46. True. The monarchs are known for "hitler style" conquering of...

the world. That's just a fact about monarchs.

:puke:

[WillieWoohah]

51. "Don't mention the war"

People are being too harsh on Harry. I guess he should have known better since he's in the "public eye", but I wouldn't object if someone showed up at a party dressed like that. It's only fancy dress.

[LostinVA]

52. I Have to stick up for the Windsors

At least some of them. Queen Elizabeth was a teenager during the war, and insisted on "doing her bit." And she did -- help me here, people -- I can't remember the name of the organization she was in! Women were drafted, and did various things to supplement support soldiers. I believe "Private Windsor" was a truck driver. She didn't have to do it, but wanted to. Her mother and father pretty much kept up England's morale -- especially Londoners... esp. during the Blitz. The Queen Mum wasn't the nicest person, but she sure as hell did her part during WWII. Buckingham Place was also bombed, and the Queen Mum wouldn't send her daughters to the country. The King tried to get her and the children to leave England, but they wouldn't Various relatives served in the armed forces, too.

Now, The Duke of Windsor was a bit of a stooge, and was rightly sent to the Caribbean to drink and bugger.

Harry should have his snotty little face slapped. There are plenty of British alive that suffered horribly during WWII. I'm not a monarchist by any means, and the Queen is an anachronism, but I'll give credit where credit is due.

[AP]

57. I think the reason they didn't have to leave England...

...was because Hitler cut a deal with the Duke of Windsor.

[LostinVA]

63. Come on, AP

I read your posts, and I love them. But there was NO love lost between the King and Queen and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. There was actual hate, and everyone knew the Duke was a Nazi-sympathizing. idiot, and they put him in the Bahamas where FDR could watch him.

The King and Queen didn't have any kind of deal with Hitler. The King refused to flee, and the Queen wouldn't leave without him. And, no matter how anyone feels about monarchies, they did a great PR job -- members of the British government said that without them, things would have been much worse.

There is absolutely no evidence the King and Queen cut a deal with Hitler.

[AP]

67. I'm just guessing. I can't figure out why Hitler never tried to bomb

the hell out of the palaces.

[tjdee]

70. Because he knew they were probably in safe houses??

He sure bombed the hell out of London.

I imagine he thought the royals were pulling some propaganda of their own and were really sleeping in bunkers somewhere.

Plus, in terms of impact, it made more sense to bomb the regular people. Makes the people distrust the ability of the rulers to keep them safe, and therefore sows internal discord--ideally weaking the UK, so that he could march right in and take over.

Just my 2 cents.

[AP]

74. They were in the palace. The queen mother talked about their...

...experiences during WW2. She said that they stayed in the palace. She said that ONCE a bomb fell on the palace but didn't detonate. Elizabeth talked about playing around the crater it created.

So the only the bomb that ever fell on the palace was a dud that was way off target.

If the royals were such a powerful symbol and did so much to keep spirits up, it would have made sense for them to get bombed.

[LostinVA]

83. You Hit it Right

Hitler purposely bombed the hell out of the East End because that's where all of the poor people lived, and they were hoping to crush morale and maybe cause a revolt. But the plan backfired. It pissed off the Brits to no end, and when the King and Queen walked among the rubble talking to the East Enders it worked as a GREAT PR tool.

[LostinVA]

84. I Had Read Diffrerently

But, if you heard the Queen Mum say it on TV, then I defer.

[Matilda]

204. The King and Queen stayed in London,

but the princesses were in Windsor Castle. Nobody was supposed to
know where they were, just "somewhere in the country".

[LibertyLover]

102. The palace was bombed

Buckingham Palace's chapel was destroyed by bombs. It stood where the small palace museum now stands. If I remember correctly, the Queen Mother talked about seeing the plane come right towards the palace down the Mall. I believe that the plane dropped a stick of 6 bombs.

The queen mother's response was the classic "I'm so glad we have been bombed - now I can look the East End in the face."

[LostinVA]

82. He Did

Buckingham Palace was severely damaged during WW II. Again, the King and Queen were extremely loyal to the Government and the people. Rail at the Duke of Windsor and Harry, but Queen Elizabeth's parents were the true definition of patriots.

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. And for all that he can be a bigot, the Duke of Edinburgh served

all through the war in the Royal Navy, on ships, under fire. I think he deserves a little credit for that.

[roguevalley]

186. Hitler was reticent about doing too much harm to the upper crust

because he had a fantasy about Aryans and the Aryan race and considered them part of it. If he had wanted to, he would have invaded during Dunkirk. There are many books out there about this family and the war. All of them are interesting reading. They can be sorry ass people and good once in a while. The war sorted out the Nazi members of the family from the ones who loved their country. This kid is just a pampered dimwit. And no, there is never a time when Nazi costumes are 'okay' anymore than KKK hoods and black face. Ever.

[Bridget Burke]

80. A British friend says that the Royal Family's behavior...

during the War is one of the reasons the Royals have not been kicked out. She was definitely not talking about the idiotic & pro-Nazi Duke of Windsor--whisked far away for the duration.

However, most Brits also believe there's a fair chance that Harry is NOT really a Windsor.

[LostinVA]

95. I Think the Duke of Kent,

A pilot in the RAF, was shot down by German fighters.

[theboss]

121. I think the point is they were suspicious enough of him to stay

Which is reasonable. The last thing the Windsors wanted was to be in Canada while the Duke returned to London to "rally" the country or something.

[emad]

125. Humbug. See post #122

What you cite about George V1 and his wife Elizabeth is also laughable.

UK Official State Scerets still bar any public disclosure of official records, documents, letters of film footage of events following the September 1940 bombing of a wing of Buckingham Palace and ensuing events, particularly decisions then taken by UK politicians.

No disclosure is possible in UK law during the lifetime of "Elizabeth II".

Those historians who have had limited access to these records must be splitting their sides with laughter each time the whitewashing of this particular event in history hits the newsstands.

[LostinVA]

150. Not true, emad

Before I start, let me say I admire Queen Elizabeth and the Princess Royal, although I have some problems with some of the things Her Majesty has done. However, per the FBI's own released files, the US Government did indeed "tail" the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. They were given information both by the British government and a German spy. Now, I am not stating whether the Duke and Duchess WERE spies or Nazi sympathizers. I am only saying the US intelligence community did keep an eye on them in the Bahamas.

There are a zillion sources on line for this, but here's one from the Guardian. There are actually more files that were released after 2002.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0%2C2763%2C746326%2C00.html

[emad]

200. The sources I cite are held under UK Official Secrets Act. Some

documents which refer to the material that is classified are availale from the Royal Archives to those who submit requests in writing, backed up by referees who can vouch for their probity.

Material published by the Guardian and other UK press sources does ot even begin to touch the tip of the iceberg.

Everything about the 1940 bombing of Buckingham Palace is still classified apart from what has been termed "the official line" in spin.

Personal documents in the former possession of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor - eg. correspondence with FDR, Harry S Truman and Eisenhower - are also classified, as are all US-UK official state documents relating to the Spain assasination attempts on the Windsors by Goering.

A great deal of disinformation released by UK and US security agencies relates to the gagging of material that the Windsors owned about the recruitment by Stalin of Eugenio Pacelli, who became Pope Pius XII, and his creation of the financial conduits that bankrolled the Nazi war machine as well as financing the safe havens in South America that subsequently sheltered WW2 criminals.

[emad]

122. Duke of Windsor was sent on visit to Hitler by UK prime minister

who was promoting policy of appeasement of the Nazis.

The Duke's personal stand at the time was that this would be a futile attempt but gave in to political pressure and made the trip in the hope that it might stave off military escalation.

He and his wife then survived two assasination attempts by the Nazis after providing evidence to Churchill that Eugenio Pacelli, the subsequent Pope Pius XII, had been hired by Stalin to provide financial conduits to bankroll the Nazis.

He has since been smeared with the Nazi slur by fans of Pius XII who have campaigned for his canonisation.

[Zomby Woof]

53. Kind of like Cartman eh?

Inbred pricks, all of 'em.

[CountAllVotes]

55. picture of Harry the Nazi

[UTUSN]

56. This Is Why We Have to Repel Royalty (Shrub-ism)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/13/rhs_harry,0.jpg

[sweetheart]

58. cut a kid some slack

Harry's in a tough position, being in the spotlight without ever any
potential of being king... a permanent eunuch... and he's coming of age
doing what young men do... (generally stupid stuff). Instead of being
like the rest of us where people ignore us at that age, he's got a
camera rammed up his ass inspecting what he eats.... its really tiresome.

Frankly, i think harry is the smart egg of the lot, and for that he'll
be even punished more by the repressive culture around him. They gave
him major shit for smoking a joint with his mates... and now he's injured
but soon to be back to the army, probably because he wants something to
do that is outside of the palace walls.

He could very well turn out like prince siddhartha as he grows up,
saying "screw this" to the life they've planned for him, and setting
about becoming enlightened, as much as his mom was a saint, he's got
the right stuff to make a fine show for british royalty.

Cut him some slack. Harry, i extend you an open invitation to have
dinner at my house and chill out. No cameras and no bullshit people
around... i really think he's going through a tough adjustment in to his
adult life and role expectations... and i really wish him the best.

[leftynyc]

126. He's 20 years old - hardly a kid

And if he expects to enjoy the fruits of being a royal, he can certainly live with being held to a higher standard. He behaved like a spoiled little brat and deserves the ass kicking (in the press) that he's getting.

[sweetheart]

151. He's still a kid

And he does not deserve this any more than you would if you made the
same decision he did to wear a swaztika to a party. I'm sure you're
out protesting all the people who wear nazi stuff at stage shows of
the producers as well.... ?

Harry has no upside, and all downside for being a royal... he's judged
by people, has no privacy and can't just "be normal" and rather he's
got a lifetime of expectation and moral psersecution waiting for him
across the nation.

I really feel for him, growing up without a mother, and only a nation
that has already planned his life in advance... that he's to be a
permanent wall flower fixture. I hope you gain some sympathy. Your
beef may be with the monarchy as an institution, as it is for me, but
this one fellow is just a free citizen exercising his right to free
speech.

[leftynyc]

161. You misunderstand me

I have tremendous sympathy for him growing up under the spotlight without his mother (the letter addressed to Mum on Diana's casket broke my heart) but at 20 years old (I maintain, not a child but a young adult)KNOWING his every move is scrutinized, was unthinkably stupid.

Frankly, I have no beef with the monarchy in Great Britain - that's for their own citizens to deal with. But to say he has no upside to being a royal is really not the truth. He lives in the lap of luxury, his every whim taken care of. With all that, comes a responsibility to think twice about his choices. The choice to wear a nazi uniform was dumb.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm Jewish and find it in very bad taste to wear the nazi uniform at a costume party. I wouldn't really care who was doing it.

[name not needed]

61. Had I, your common idiot, had done this, I'd be in a world of shit.

But he's a royal idiot, so he gets away with it. Good thing this stooge won't ever be king. Not that it makes much of a difference.

[patcox2]

160. Actually, had you done it, I don't think anyone would notice.

Its creating a shitstorm precisely because of his celebrity. You, on the other hand, noone would notice.

[autorank]

64. My mother-in-law stayed in London during the Battle of Britain.

She could have left but she didn't. She became a nurses assistance despite enough money and status to leave for America. She was seriously injured in London when a bomb knocked her off her bike as she went to work. Her home town, Coventry, was bombed into oblivion. Yet she persevered as part of the heroic British resistance to fascism.

I'm just sick because she will read about this and it will trouble her greatly. Despite being in this country as a war-bride since 1945, she maintained such kinship and loyalty to Great Britain that she retained her British citizenship.

I never tease her about the double digit IQ British Royals but she's not a DU reader.

I'm free to say abolish the royalty now, pull their stipend, confiscate their property, and send this sick "prince" to a 10 year exile in the Malvina's.

[fujiyama]

66. Immature spoiled brat

Why do the British keep these idiots around? The whole concept of "royalty" disgusts me and is very foreign. Then again we have the freakin House of Bush here. Yech!

Isn't Harry known as the slower dumber one? He sure seems like it. I have no sympathy. These idiots know that they're in the public eye.

I don't know anything about William, but he doesn't seem like as much of a dumbass.

[tjdee]

69. Wills was there in a homemade lion and leopard costume.

That's what the story says.

Aww.

Though, how you can be a lion AND a leopard....they don't say.

[mr blur]

78. He somes from a family of inpbred, arrogant halfwits,

what do you expect?

[barb162]

179. yeah, they are somewhat inbred and halfwitted is putting it mildly

Charles talks as if he is bright and his opinions are important

[newportdadde]

86. He should have dressed as a Dentist.

Now that is something that would have scarred the hell out of his subjects... :silly:

[Lucille]

90. Oh behave!

Thank you for my first laugh of the day.

[neweurope]

89. Disgusting. But disgusting I also find some of the posts here

which "explain" this behaviour with his "German blood". Thanks.

THE AMERICANS HAVE NUKED THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN JAPAN.

THE AMERICANS ARE TORTURERS AND WAR CRIMINALS.

THE AMERICANS ARE THE NEW NAZIS.

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[dryan]

91. I think you don't know what....

you are talking about. But that is beside the point.

If for no other reason than the fact that the Nazis shot down the Duke of Kent (his great-uncle during WWII) Harry shouldn't dress up like a Nazi.

[neweurope]

97. Neither he nor anybody else should ever dress up like this.

I called his behaviour "disgusting" in my post. I know very well what I'm talking about. Saying this misguided young man dressed up like this because he had German ancestors got my gall up. Germans = Nazis is what that reads to me. Well, I'm German and I am certainly no Nazi. To make that clear I asked if you agree that "The" Americans are war criminals. Of course you are not. Some Americans are. So please stop calling Germans Nazis.

Thank you :)

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[slackmaster]

103. I can see only two legitimate contexts for wearing a Nazi uniform

While acting in a play or movie, or participating in a reenactment of a World War II battle.

[neweurope]

104. I agree.

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[DoNotRefill]

180. Nazis can be funny.

See:





It was a costume party, fer chrissakes. If he went to a formal dinner in a Nazi uniform, I could see why people would freak out. In the case at hand? Seems kind of silly.

[roguevalley]

187. Obviously, your family never hard any direct contact with nazis.

Some of us have. If there is no problem with this, then I can dress up as a tsunami victim, a KKK-man, a _______________. This is beyond the pale and if it wasn't, then there would be no fuss. This is on the scale of Gary Hart saying, "Catch me."

He gets in fights with paparazzi about pictures and then the little idiot does this. And the whole party idea? White man's burden theme. These idiots didn't have a prayer. Their old man ranted about people not "knowing their place" a short while ago. Strip these wankers of their money and perks and pit them against me. See who survives on nothing. They don't even know how to choose their own clothes in the morning.


"It was a costume party, fer chrissakes. If he went to a formal dinner in a Nazi uniform, I could see why people would freak out. In the case at hand? Seems kind of silly."

[DoNotRefill]

188. Ummm...did you look at the pics?

One is from Monty Python's Flying Circus. They're obviously wearing Nazi uniforms, and having a grand old time of it, both Messrs. Hilter and Bimmler. The cast members were, IIRC, all British, the intended audience was British, and IIRC, the show was produced by that most British of institutions, the BBC. Nobody was scandalized then.

The second one, obviously, is from Mel Brook's "The Producers". They went as far as to do a frigging MUSICAL number, "Springtime for Hitler and Germany!" It was outrageously HILARIOUS. And IIRC, Brooks is, indeed, a Jew who came up with "Heil, Baby!"

Even Charlie Chaplin and Bugs Bunny made fun of the Nazis, with Chaplin dressing up as a very close copy of Hitler.

There's a VERY long tradition of making fun of Nazis, and it's doubtful that Harry was one of the first 50,000 people that were not Nazis in the world to go to a costume party dressed as a Nazi.

[senseandsensibility]

174. You are correct

neweurope!:)

[neweurope]

183. Thank you

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[LostinVA]

93. I Agree with you, My Friend

I have several German friends, and they are the most intelligent, tolerant people I know. I have dual US-Italian citizenship, and would love to live and work over there.

[neweurope]

98. Thank you, LostinVA :)

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[slackmaster]

101. What point are you trying to make here, neweurope?

Among us white Americans about 60% of our ancestors were German.

Nearly all of mine are. My ancestors suffered religious persecution mostly at the hands of Roman Catholics. That's why they left.

[neweurope]

105. See my post Nr 97 :)

Some here insinuated that that young man acted like he did because he had German ancestors. I'm not trying to make a point other than people should generalize.

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[LostinVA]

108. I understand what you're saying

And would have PMed you, but I have no idea how to do that!

[neweurope]

109. I know you understood :) Besides our name there is a small yellow

rectangle. Click on that and you can send a PM :)

Hurray, I the anti-computer-wizzard know more than somebody else! You just have made my day ;)

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[slackmaster]

119. Thank you very much

I have a German surname. Kids in school back in the '60 still carried enough of their parents' hatred of German people left over from World War II propaganda that I got teased for it relentlessly (by a very small number of other children).

I find it ironic that often people who make broad-brush remarks about the bad aspects of German culture or overgeneralize about German peoples' travesties of the past are themselves largely German.

:toast:

[neweurope]

130. Thanks slackmaster. The joke is that I DO believe in collective

guilt. But not for all eternity. Even the old "krauts" came up again in this thread.

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[patcox2]

116. Sorry, it was meant as a joke.

I do not ascribe to the belief that political beliefs or behaviors are racial or inherited. In fact, I strongly believe that the worst mistake one can make is to "exceptionalize" Hitler and nazism. By this I mean I think it is wrong to say that Hitler was in some way exceptionally evil, super-evil, or extraordinarily evil. And it is of course wrong and ignorant and bigoted to suggest that germans as a group are more authoritarian or more prone to accept nazism than other countries. I think the lesson to learn from Hitler and nazism is that Hitler was just an example of run of the mill, average human evil, and that nazism could as easily arise anywhere. Hitler was exceptional only in how far he was able to implement his evil and make it happen. But the fact is there are millions of people as hateful and evil as Hitler alive today, we are just fortunate most of them have no power to do evil on a grand scale.

[neweurope]

128. Thank you for your thoughtful answer, patcox2

And I agree absolutely. Seeing Hitler as unique would mean that we don't have to be watchful while the opposite is the case.

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[takebackthewh]

170. No.

What a load of bullshit.

[seabeyond]

92. he is not a kid and it wasnt ok.....no cutting slack.

IF he didnt know better, what wa world we live in. a prince doesnt know not to wear nazi, because of the history. did the dude go to school

beyond that, what could make this ok. where would we be cutting slack. not a chance. it feelds all we are in with the male and war and battle. and he is a prince, ......shaking head

[slackmaster]

99. This is one reason we kicked the royal bastards out in 1776

They're leeches on society.

[Frangible]

100. It was a costume party

Who cares? I believe I went as Dracula, evil bloodsucking vampire a few times...

Was it poor taste? Sure. But the royal family is so inbred, it's to be expected I guess. Why the British still give them money to do nothing is beyond me.

[cattleman22]

131. That was my thought as well. n/t

[DoNotRefill]

181. His brother went as a lion.

Costume party, people.....COSTUME.

[patcox2]

107. Harry's real last name is Saxe-Coburg, a fine german name.

The british royal family changed their name to Windsor during WWI, because england was fighting germany at the time. Its just his heritage coming out.

[neweurope]

110. Here we go again...

:eyes:

Please see posts 89 and following.

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[muriel_volestrangler]

112. If you're going to insist on surnames inherited from a father

then his last name is really Battenberg, from his paternal grandfather's family.

[neweurope]

113. Right. They did a direct translation and called themselves Mountbatten.

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[nickinSTL]

140. Actually,

Battenberg was Prince Philip's mother's name.

His father was a Greek Prince descended from the Danish royal family, and their surname is Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg

[muriel_volestrangler]

142. I stand corrected

I started looking it up, and noticed that Battenberg was on his mother's side, and then thought 'screw it, why did they never inherit their father's name like everyone else did then?' I never found that tongue twister, though. Thanks.

[nickinSTL]

146. for anyone who cares...

Mountbatten was chosen for Prince Philip when he decided to renounce his Greek citizenship and become a British citizen and join the Royal Navy.

Other names were considered, including the above lengthy name, as well as Oldenburg, of which family S-H-S-G is a younger branch.

Due to the unpopularity of Germanness, translations were also looked at, such as Oldcastle, a translation of Oldenburg, but there was already an Oldcastle family in Britain.

Philip's uncle, Lord Louis Mountbatten, pushed for Philip to take his surname.

When Elizabeth became Queen, the issue was raised again, as to what name the family would carry. HM was adamant that it remain Windsor. Philip is said to have been very unhappy with that, wanting to leave a diffent surname for his descendants.

When Charles becomes King, he may choose to retain the dynastic name of Windsor, or to change it to whatever he wishes. If he does change it, Mountbatten is a likely choice, as he was quite close to his late great-uncle.

[Matilda]

201. It's a bit ridiculous,

but the Queen and Prince Phillip's children are all Windsors, as
will Charles' children be, but Andrew and Edward's children will
have the surname of Mountbatten-Windsor, to keep Phillip happy.

[LostinVA]

111. One More Fun Fact about Harry

He's joining the British military soon. Third in line to the throne and British military officer by day, thoughtless twit by night. God, at least most of the Royals' scandals involve sex -- go shag someone Harry! Seriously, I don't think this stunt would go over too well in the Officers' Mess.

[donsu]

114. maybe Harry was making a point: the nazi marriage of smirk/blair

maybe Harry had spine

I don't think it was done on a whim.

[LostinVA]

118. I Think Harry is a little

"frat boy," like his Uncle Andrew....

(all frat boys reading this -- you know what I'm saying!)

[theboss]

117. I bet they marry off William really fast now

They need him to start breeding like a madman to eliminate any chance of this nutter inheriting the throne.

[fishwax]

132. They are so totally clueless

lives sheltered by unspeakable privilege and power often leads to clueless acts.

[jdonaldball]

136. ENOUGH! Harry is an ass, but here is the true story of

how the Royal Family behaved during the Blitz:
They stayed in London. And if any of you know ANYTHING about the nature of bombing in those times, you will know that there was NO SUCH THING as "Precision Bombing."
ALL bombs which the Germans dropped in London, endangered the Royal Family. Because, there was no such thing as "precision bombing" at that time. (And even today, there is not much precision, but there was NONE in 1940!)
One bomb fell onto the Palace, unintentionally. Well, guess what.
NONE of the bombs which fell in London, were aimed with any precision! NONE of the bombs in that war, were aimed with precision!
The Royal Family stayed in London, to share the same perils as ALL Londoners shared.
I am not saying that they were extraordinary heroes. But compared to GW Bush who ran like a rabbit on 911, the Royal Family, including Elizabeth and the late Queen Mother, behaved very courageously during the Blitz.
And about the Royal Family being "German", as so many of you say:
It is true, but only in the most abstract genealogical way.
If they were Nazi sympathisers, or had any special connections with Hitler's Germany, they would not have stayed in London during the Blitz, while they were in as much danger as all other Londoners.
As an American, I am hostile to any kind of monarchy IN my own country, in my Republic.
But that does not mean that I must hate all monarcsh in other countries. And the Royal Family of the United Kingdom, have been honorable patriots, AND good defenders and supporters of one of the greatest democracies in the world, certainly at least since 1939 when America was still avoiding the war against Hitler.
In 1940, during the Blitz, the Royal Family put their lives on the line as enemies of Hitler, far more than any Americans did in 1940.
Just setting the record straight here.
And if any of my American compatriots hate Royalty, then I say, fine, I agree. Let us hate Royalty in our own country. But give credit where credit is due, to the Royals of countries outside our own. Especially to Royals who have shown some real courage in defense of Democracy, as Britain's Royal family did in 1940.

[WI_DEM]

145. Here! Here!

It is the reason why the Queen Mum was so revered because of the way she and King George stayed in London during the blitz and the way they rallied their countrymen.

[Generator]

159. Great post

And (anglo-American here) is enjoying this gossipy thread too too much.

Anyhoo-you are so right-the Queen mum et all showed tremendous courage and that is exactly why it would be so unbelievably offensive to his family if nothing else.

The Brits suffered so much during WW2 and after-far more than most Americans have a clue. I could only hope we would ever act as noble if faced with such a real danger everyday for so many years.

[Skittles]

172. thanks

my mum adored the Queen Mother because she could have run out of the country during WWII but she DID NOT.

I think Harry needs to make a public apology for the outfit though - that was an incredible poor sense of judgement. I think he's just a stupid kid, he didn't mean anything but it was quite offensive.

[bobbieinok]

137. regarding 'Germanness' of royal family

the present royal family is descended from the dukes of Hanover who were chosen to be the royal family to avoid having a Roman Catholic king

the first Hanover on the British throne was King George I

the family changed its name to Windsor in WWI.....at the same time, many US families of German heritage changed their name.....sauerkraut became victory cabbage, etc

[nickinSTL]

143. Victory cabbage? That sounds familiar...

Freedom fries, anyone?

[ohio_liberal]

144. The family name

was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Windsor was the name of one of their castles. lol Prince Philip's family renounced their German titles and anglicized their name from Battenburg to Mountbatten.

[LostinVA]

148. That was Prince Albert's surname I believe

Which I think is interesting -- he was never King, but yet Victoria had his name taken as the family's name.

[nickinSTL]

154. why?

the father's name is generally the one passed to the children, traditionally. That's basically what happened there.

Also, there has been a change of dynastic name in England/Britain every time the line has passed through a female. Why not with Victoria?

[LostinVA]

163. Because she didn't have to take his name

She loved him dearly, but refused his request to become King Consort. So, this is interesting, unless it was a sop. She was a smart lady --

[ohio_liberal]

158. ...

Queen Victoria was a member of the House of Hanover, but her family's surname (probably never used) was Guelf, sometimes spelled Guelph. It was generally supposed that Albert had belonged to the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The College of Heralds believes his family name to either have been "Wettin" or "Wipper". After Queen Victoria's death in 1901 the name of the British Royal House changed from the House of Hanover to the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

[LostinVA]

162. Hmmmm....

I just read online today that Saxe-Coburg-Gotha wa shis name... not saying you're wrong, just interesting.

[ohio_liberal]

164. He was a member

of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. They never used their surnames, so no one was even certain what his surname was and the dispute over surnames didn't come to light until after George had officially proclaimed the family name to be Windsor.

[LostinVA]

152. Good Family Tree Info

If anyone here is interested in the ethnicity of the current Royal family, go to this link and hit "View Prince Charles Family Tree."

http://www.genealogy.com/famousfolks/charles/index.html

One of the main interesting things is how most European royalty is directly related to Queen Victoria. Both the Queen and Prince Philip are.

[ckramer]

157. Harry must be fascinating with Nazis

He must be thinking it's cool to put that on.

[femme.democratique]

176. Maybe he is just being a rebel, wanting to draw attention to...

...naziism because he felt it appropriate given the state of the world? Because you know Hitler II has come.... Maybe he's just a smart kid who wanted to make a statment because he knew the media would be all over it. I can't believe he would be THAT STUPID so as to not understand or that casual, there must have been a reason.

:tinfoilhat:

[DoNotRefill]

190. Just like Sid Vicious was a Nazi....

well, he wore swastikas...

[greyfox]

167. Just heard news....

say that the British would probably not "easily forgive him" for what they consider a faux paux of great dimensions! BS. The Shrub should wear a Swastika if truth be told.

[Kire]

171. Trip to Auschwitz would be "distraction", says Buckingham Palace

"It would be a distraction and a detraction from the importance of the occasion because it would become a different story in media terms," the official told Reuters.

"He recognizes he made a very bad mistake and he apologizes for that. There are no plans for him to say anything more."

What a crock of shit!

[no safe haven]

175. The theme of the party 'Natives and Colonials' stinks

As a "colonial" myself, I find the whole mindset offensive. Bloody Brit gentry and upper class parasites living the high life off the blood and sweat of those "natives" vanquished by the British Empire. Brits are still hanging onto past glory, like it's still relevant. By "Brits" I mean your upper classes; as opposed to "English", your everyday men and women. I guess it's a class thing. Harry dressing up in a Nazi uniform is par for the course for this crowd. They don't have a clue.

[tedzbear]

177. Where the fuck were Harry's minders?

Aren't these lavishly compensated family members educated in matters of taste and diplomacy? After all, they are the public figureheads of the British people and are supposed to take their well paid responsibilities seriously.

What a fucking a--hole that spoiled brat is. I say cut him off without a penny. Time for a revolution!

[barb162]

182. where's his idiot father (with Camilla?); you'd think ol' dad could

have told him that swastika was a bit on the unpopular, bad taste, etc., side

[no safe haven]

197. His minders were probably on a dope and booze run for him n/t

:hangover:

[Matilda]

203. It also occurred to me that the princes have valets to dress them

and they would also have hired the costume. Odd that no-one had
enough brains to drop a word in Charles' ear - I really don't think
he'd have allowed it if he'd had know.

[DoNotRefill]

191. Ummm...actually.....if you think about it....

he dressed up not as a British colonial, but as a GERMAN colonial. The Afrika Corps weren't in Africa on vacation...

Would it have been better if he had dressed up as Lord Kitchener?

[no safe haven]

195. Hey, you're right

The British 8th Army was fighting the Afrika Corps and last I heard, Rommel was not the victor/colonial overlord. Good point. Makes the Little Prince's antics look even more stupid and/or self-indulgent. Just to be a tad pedantic here, instead of Kitchener, it should have been Gen. Montgomery.

[DoNotRefill]

196. Kitchener had far more blood on his hands than Montgomery....

after all, he's the guy who came up with the whole "Concentration camp to exterminate your enemies" idea. The Nazis just copied and "improved" it, since Kitchener was content to use disease instead of gas. IIRC, 80% of Boer women and children were dead within 3 months of being put into the camps...and very few survived to be released.

[no safe haven]

198. Kitchener was apparently universally hated by his colonial contingents

...although not so much for what he did to the Boer prisoners but how he treated his troops. My g.grandfather served in the Boer War 1900-01, and stories passed down tell of Kitchener's blundering ineptitude, his total disregard for the safety of his troops. A good read is a book called 'Breaker Morant' (author's name escapes me at the moment), the story of one of my g.grandfather's comrades. Deaths of Boer women and children in concentration camps would have had no effect on Lord K's conscience at all.

[Matilda]

202. The book "The Breaker" was written by Australian Kit Denton.

Lord K also hated uppity colonials, of whom Breaker Morant was
regarded as a typical example, although he was actually English-born.

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184. It wasn't just any party...

Someone called into a talk show today and said the party's theme was poor taste...

Well that costume was definitely an understatement on poor taste!

[Guaranteed]

189. Springtime for Harry. nt

[sffreeways]

193. Update

Charles has ordered Harry and William to visit Auschwitz the Nazi concentration camp.

no link I heard this on MSNBC just now.

[Crackingham]

194. The news this morning is that he's going to visit Auschwitz

[orleans]

205. tsk tsk tsk harry

you could've been superman
the little mermaid
captain underpants
but no....you picked this costume. duh
how many times do we have to tell you drugs and booze don't mix!