NASCAR fans turning on Bushit!

[Elwood P Dowd]

I enjoy NASCAR and go to an occasional race (it's a different scene live). A friend who reads some of the racing boards sent me the URL for this thread. Someone reminded them of Bush making fun of the WMD search, and now look what we have.

http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-thatsracin&msg=55089.1&ctx=0

One of the 30+ posts sums up the feelings I'm starting to sense from many of my friends in flyover country.

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From: womthang Jan-13 11:19 am
To: Sassy24fan (8 of 33)
55089.8 in reply to 55089.5
I really don't want this to be true because I am going to feel like the biggest, most myopic dumb ass in the world. You are right, we do have young men and women there and they are still dying. If all this proves to be true and I voted for someone who sent young American men and women to a foreign country to die for a lie, I will never forgive myself.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. Maybe I should be more forgiving

but I find it difficult to be so. All the signs were there, have been there for years and as far as I'm concerned people who voted for shrub were unwilling to educate themselves fully before casting their vote for more death and destruction. yes, I'm bitter. and I plan to stay that way.



www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[Elwood P Dowd]

3. We're at the point now

where we need all the help we can get. There are 75 million NASCAR fans and if just 10% turn, we have 7.5 million fewer repukes!

[Gold Metal Flake]

36. You don't have to be forgiving yet, bud.

They have to feel guilty first. They have to feel beholding to the souls released through greed and hate. They then need to be urged to share their feelings with their freinds who have not yet started to trasition out of the madness. They need to go to work for the truth and for change.

Put this back on the people who helped it along. Years from now, we may want to consider forgiveness. After the trials, after the convictions. Years from now.

Not now. Not for quite a while.

[hector459]

49. What needs to be done is to remind them who influences thier thinking

and who also upheld, promoted, and spread the lies and who accused the peace protesters and others who tried to stop the Bush regime of being "unpatriotic" "unAmerican" and the "blame America first gang:"

namely Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. O'Reilly and Mr. Hannity and Ms. Coulter, Mr. Cheney, and Ms. Rice and Mr. Rumsfeld.

Maybe if they can grasp how they have been manipulated into supporting the dessimation of a sovereign nation that was not attacking us and the slaughter of over 1300 US soldiers' lives, maybe they will come to their senses. Much harm has been done to our country for years to come thanks to those who supported the Bush regime and those who did not protest loudly enough.

[Gold Metal Flake]

72. Attacking their "friends" and heroes can result in an immediate...

...and negative response from them. Best to lead them forward with facts, or encourage their thinking when they are critical of the Wrong Wing party line. Remember that most of what passes for facts amongst the wrong wing puppy dogs is really just emotional responses, and too much truth will trigger a defensive reaction. Help lead receptive wrong-wingers to the truth, support their furtive forays into reality. After a while, they will attack their abusive media pimps on their own, and you can exuberantly and joyfully pile on in kind.

[Gay Ranger]

40. Do You Think For a Moment...

That any of these people would vote for Kerry over Bush if the election was held today you are delusional. They will criticize Bush, belittle him, but there politics and beliefs won't change. You won't see pink triangles popping up on there vehicles. You won't see them calling for equality or fair taxation. They voted for their ideals and "morals" and Bush was the candidate closest to them.

Say what will about these people, but one thing they do not lack is resolve and they will not be jumping over to our boat anytime soon. Guns, Abortion and Homophobia will keep them voting Rethug for years to come.

[alfredo]

2. It's their kids who are dying. eom

[HamdenRice]

35. WHAT??? NO kids -- NOT ONE -- from a red state has died in the war!!!

Because soldiers from red states who get shot or blown up "go home to Jesus" and live forever!

[alfredo]

67. Oh that makes sense

in a twisted, psychotic way.

[Bluebear]

4. Fine time! n/t

[complain jane]

5. I couldn't get the site to come up

:(

And I wanted to see freepers feeling badly, too.

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. The name of the place is ThatsRacing

You can go to their site and then check out the forums. It's the discussions below the racing part - general discussions I think. The original message was "Memory Lane - Looking For WMD's".

http://www.thatsracing.com

[moobu2]

6. Thanks, I needed that

We tried to tell em..

[ChairOne]

7. Better late than never.... Pray this is the start of something big... /eom

[frylock]

9. there's more than one anti-shrub thread in that forum..

that's certainly encouraging.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. I'm still reading. Getting rough on Bushit, such as......

55092.5 in reply to 55092.3

We'll see. If the Shia's take over the govt after the "suipposed" election, which is expected, we're going to see another theocracy, and depending on how radical they are, there goes freedom of religion, women's rights and god's moron's alleged democracy.

In addition, there has been a proven connection between Iran and the Shia's running for election in Iraq. So, how much safer will anyone be with two Arab theocracies working together.....against us.

As far as Iraqi's "safer" with Hussein gone? We're quickly approaching the same number of Iraqi deaths at the feet of god's moron as what occurred under Saddam, although the administration is not overly anxious to release those figures. It could be argued that the Iraqi's would be safer if the US was gone.

[frylock]

12. yeah -- i just finished reading through that thread..

and on the one hand, I' d like to throttle each and every one of those idiots who are now just experiencing an epiphany, but I guess it's nice to see them finally open their eyes to what the hell is really going on in the world. Some are actually making comparisons to the lies used in selling the war with the BS rhetoric we are hearing about the urgency for SS reform.

[Elwood P Dowd]

15. They're even talking about his cocaine days.

There are more than a few posters just giving the chimpster hell!!! :-)

55106.11 in reply to 55106.10
Considering his proposal to use $2 trillion for the social security transition and do it "off budget"...I wouldn't be the least bit surprised at anything he does. I think the man is suffering from his cocaine days

[dmkinsey]

55. "god's moron"

Wow

[SammyWinstonJack]

61. They got it wrong.

It's God's moran. And I agree, :wow:

[Chipper Chat]

10. I'll believe the Nascarites are turning on Bushworld when...

I hear the unflattering songs forthcoming from Toby Keith, Sara Evans, and Charlie Daniels.

[KeepItReal]

13. Wait til they learn Iraq is now terrorist training place #1...

...that used to be pre-9/11 Afghanistan.

Here's a NASCAR fan quote:

"I really don't want this to be true because I am going to feel like the biggest, most myopic dumb ass in the world. You are right, we do have young men and women there and they are still dying. If all this proves to be true and I voted for someone who sent young American men and women to a foreign country to die for a lie, I will never forgive myself."

[Downtown Hound]

14. Thanks for nothing dickheads

Sorry for being so blunt and unforgiving everyone, but the fact that these people are just coming to their senses now actually makes me have even more contempt for them. Yes, we need all the help we can get so let's not turn them away, but I have spent the past four years marching, campaigning, arguing, being afraid, being angry, fighting despair, even getting shot at with wooden bullets because these dumb asses fell for one of the most transparent con jobs in the history of politics and refused to listen to reason. They have a lot to answer for in my book, and it goes far beyond simply feeling bad. They need to go to Iraq, get down on their knees, and beg for forgiveness from every man, woman, and child in that nation. The same goes for the families of U.S. troops that have died. And as far as I'm concerned they owe all of us an apology as well.

[MrSlayer]

17. Let's demand apologies after we get rid of the cancer they caused.

I don't think we should heap contempt upon these people, at least not now. Wait until after all the shit goes down and things are back to normal. We need to be encouraging at this point.

[dmkinsey]

57. Neither heap contempt nor offer forgiveness

The post from the woman says she would feel like a dumb-ass, which is totally appropriate.

I'd like to see these folks come to their senses, quit believing the RW hate media.
I can pass-up the "I told you so"

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. We're you around during Vietnam?

My parents and sisters were all for it. Then people they knew started dying. Then I was drafted and spent two years in the Army. They finally started questioning the war when they were slapped upside the head with reality! The vast majority of the American people are asleep. They need a dose of reality that hits close to home before they wake up.

[MrSlayer]

16. Why do I sort of feel sorry for that guy?

Imagine being the "Get a Brain Morans" dude and all of a sudden you get it. You finally fucking realize what a jerkoff these guys made out of you. What do you do? Do you just continue to spout the lie in order to save face or do you get fucking pissed off and start demanding the Chimp be impeached or at least investigated? We should embrace anyone who is finally coming around regardless of the timing and get them on our side. People like this are vital because they are the ones that live in the so-called "values" communities. Get this sort of talk going in the churches and other gathering places and we could have a full scale revolt. The Heartland of the country is a lot slower paced and perhaps a bit more naive about the government and jingoistic but they aren't stupid. They are also prideful people who do not like being made fools of, you don't want them pissed off at you. We have to figure out a way to work this.

[SweetLeftFoot]

27. Yep

The Heartland of the country is a lot slower paced and perhaps a bit more naive about the government and jingoistic but they aren't stupid.

But the thing about that sort of dynamic is that once it reaches a tipping point, it becomes impossible to stop. This sort of thing is encouraging.

[Eloriel]

34. Great post

absolutely wonderful. Thanks for making these points.

[bluedonkey]

19. WoW!!

I'm really surprised! Thought I would never see the day...
We shouldn't be too hard on them,at least they're now admitting how wrong they were.There is hope for them,they're able to learn and admit mistakes.That's a positive thing and we should embrace them with our forgivness!
I'm not being sarcastic! The new movement needs people,lots of people!

[smurfygirl]

20. well wtf took these people so long to realize all of this

I don't feel sorry for these people. Because of them everyone is suffering. What kind of dumbass couldn't see what was going on before the election? I guess they really do believe this man isn't lying. Now maybe they'll find out the truth behind 911. Then will they rise in protest to this man?

[Stirk]

21. Sorry, but anyone who voted for Bush is forever a fool in my book.

And that's being generous. They're fools at best, totalitarian fuckwits at worst. Waking up doesn't do a hell of alot of good now, but at least they'll have their moron eyes open to see their children buried. Congrats, former Bushies.

[Buns_of_Fire]

22. Guess what, womthang...

You ARE the "biggest, most myopic dumb ass in the world" (next to your Lord and Savior Bunnypants aWol boosh**, that is! And guess what ELSE -- you said that if you voted for someone who sent young American men and women to a foreign country to die for a lie, you'd never forgive yourself? -- well, you DID, shithead, and I don't forgive you, either!

You get to live with this cretin for the next four years. You asked for it, you got it. It just pisses me off that everyone else has to live with him, too. :grr:

[ConsAreLiars]

23. As a NASCAR aficionado

...(well, less so after Richard Petty retired and much less when I saw Dale Earnhart's fatal crash and lost my last "hero" - although I still root for Dale Jr. on occasion and loath Jeff Gordon)...

I am not surprised. There's a redneck aura around the scene, but like the red state/blue state crap that the Cons float and the left gets sucked into, those stereotypes are just as false. I grew up in that environment, and decent people are often taken in by hucksters and scammers, but that is not the whole story about who they are.

[Eloriel]

37. Another important post

Good points.

Some of the attitudes about the NASCAR fans, Southerners, etc., really do expose the "elitism" that the left gets criticized for -- something I'd never ever understood and had always rejected until I saw enough of it right here at DU.

[ohio_liberal]

44. I've been saying this for 2 years

I go to races frequently and one is just as likely to see a beer-swilling redneck in the stands as a guy wearing khakis and a polo shirt. This stuff about NASCAR fans being uneducated crackers is BS.

[flordehinojos]

24. goood!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

25. NASCAR Dads should be our core constituency...

These are primarily working-class schmoes who provide the military with the warm bodies that Bush is rapidly turning into cold ones. These are the tool-and-die makers who are having their jobs shipped to Sinapore just as fast as Bush can pack the moving van. These are the retired union workers who are going to have their pensions and Social Security yanked out from under them.

They've been lied to. Betrayed. Rather than calling them "assholes," we should be trying to figure out the best way to bring them back into our party.

[semillama]

31. I have a friend who is a dad and into NASCAR

i suppose that makes him a NASCAR Dad. Although does his master's degree disqualify him? anyway, my point is that he loves NASCAR and comes from a proud family of Kentucky democrats who think all republicans should be shot on sight. I think that's appalachian-american for "We strongly disapprove of their actions" though.

[QC]

32. Excellent points there.

Maybe someday what passes for a Left in this country will rediscover class. When that happens, we will start winning elections again.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

41. GASP! Class Warfare?!

You bet!

[OneTwentyoNine]

26. Watch that video that the first post is talking about....

And you'll want to rip your damn hair out of your head. That video should be played 1000 times a day for all our dead and innocent Iraqi's that have been killed in this illegal invasion.

[ohio_liberal]

28. Nothing new there

the folks on thatsracin.com debated the merits of both candidates pretty strongly. There were a lot of Kerry supporters there.

[KharmaTrain]

29. Immoral Is Immoral

Wonderful that they've taken their heads out of the sand for 10 seconds before the next race starts. They'll shake heads and then pretend this war doesn't exist since they really don't feel it and many still are conflicted in the lies that have led to the thousands of American and Iraqi dead.

Any person who, with the volume of evidence that shows this invasion was planned regardless of 9/11, had no connections with Al Queda and that we were making matters worse for this country rather than better in the Arab world and the international community...then voted for this regime hold no redemption in my book in just words on a message board.

I'm not seeing people getting pissed off at this illegal invasion, they're trying all they can to ignore it. We hear "we're not hearing the good news" and there has yet to be one serious investigation into this invasion; meanwhile the killing and the profiteering go on unabated. Sorry, I have no tolerance these days for any quasi contrition...half-hearted at best.

This war hasn't bled these bastards yet. I'm not hearing any outrage...if anything, the freepers and wingnuts are wratcheting up their lies as to somehow this "election" proves progress and attempts not only to legtimize this immoral invasion but to push for even more death and destruction.

These people are far from contrite...and will be the first to blame those of us who have been against this invasion from the outset while they run fast to vote for their GOOP/Xtian coalition handlers.

[izzybeans]

30. This is encouraging....

Perhaps its not wise to dismiss these potential allies like some above have done, even if they had to be "born again". I'd try and welcome some of these people to the DU to swing them even further in this direction. Relying on stereotypes to characterize them is most likely off putting and counterproductive.

[skypilot]

33. I loved this post from someone named womthang.

"I really don't want this to be true because I am going to feel like the biggest, most myopic dumb ass in the world."

I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE TRUE?!?!

Tell me that that's not how the mind of the average Bush voter works. They just convince themselves that all the shit we know about him is not true and they ignore the rest. I can't fucking believe that these guys are just getting around to talking about this. This shit happened ages ago.

[peekaloo]

38. most of 'em wear ruby slippers and start clicking them

while repeating "You just don't like Bu$h, you just don't like Bu$h, you just don't like Bu$h" whenever the truth is spoken about him.

:dunce:

[greyfox]

39. Back in the King's day....

(Richard Petty), I was associate Chaplain for NASCAR and ministered at the tracks... GREAT buncha guys... and I could never figure why this new bunch lusted after the Shrub so.... I am so glad to see them waking up!!!!

[MsTryska]

42. damn. i can't believe these folks

really fell for it.


at least some are finally starting to wake up.

looks to me like womthang could become a good new recruit. maybe even one of those disciples preaching the word.

[pnb]

43. This entire thread all relies on one assumption...

...that assumption being that all NASCAR fans were Shrub fans in the first place. That is a huge leap to make...without that leap virtually nothing said here about gaining Democratic voters means a damn thing at all.

[HamdenRice]

45. It does suggest gaining Dems ...

if you read the original thread on the original site. A number of the posters say they voted for shrub and feel like chumps now.

[Gay Ranger]

48. Ask Them if They Would Vote Dem.

I really do not think so. Guns, Abortion and Homophobia. That will keep them from voting Democratic. They would vote for Bush over Kerry today if they had a chance to do it again.

[pnb]

73. That I understand

My response were more directed towards those people here whose responses indicated that to them "NASCAR fan" is synonymous with racist, homophobe, etc. You know, the ignorant ones.

[txaslftist]

58. thanks, pnb.

I've said this a million times. Freepers like to put people in boxes. We're supposed to be smarter than that. We are democrats.

[Kingshakabobo]

46. Ha fuckin Ha. We told you so. n/t

[hector459]

47. I hope someone can send this board a video clip of Bush doing this.

I remember it well. I almost lost it threw a shoe at my TV.

[Lugnut]

50. Just because I'm a NASCAR fan

Doesn't mean I'm a Bushbot. I hate it when people lump us racing fans into the "moran" contingent among us. This is a good sign, Elwood.

[JunkYardDogg]

51. We should go on their forums and promote "Dissension"

1. Dale Earnhart JUNIOR (sounds familiar?), NASCAR's most popular driver is a Big Bush Supporter, and he's vocal about it- I can't cheer for him anymore
2. Since the drivers are appendages of their Corporate Sponsors, it is difficult for them to voice support for DupeYa'
3. The majority of NASCAR and NHRA fans are blue collar working people-Meaning:
A. Dependent on Hourly Pay Jobs-BushReich wants to Eliminate Overtime Pay
B. If lucky, they have Employer Provided Health Insurance-BushReich
wants to help Employers NOT provide Health Insurance
C. When they get older, they will be dependent on Social Security-BushReich wants to abolish Social Security
D. When they get older, they will be dependent on Medicare, BushReich is decimating Medicare
E. Just how does supporting Bush make NASCAR Fans' Lives better?
We should get on the Racing Forums and bring this to their attention
This could be a real good recruitment technique, make them think,
plant seeds of doubt in their minds, we really should reach out to other Demographic Groups for recruitment, it could be real effective
I'm a long time Race fan, most forms, I saw Earnhart win his first Championship at the Old Ontario Track
Road Racing/SportsCar racing has a much more educated, sophisticated
demographic base, much less inclined to support Bush, if NASCAR is too BushReich oriented, than support Road Racing and Sportscar Racing

[paula777]

52. Stupid witch, she might as well commit suicide because IT'S TRUE

[Algorem]

53. bush might have to make "barnyard lovin'" legal to keep their support

[txaslftist]

60. Nice....real nice....

no stereotyping there...:eyes:

[QC]

70. This kind of shit is a real big reason why we lose. n/t

[Algorem]

71. I know!And when he makes brother-sister marriage legal,forget about it!

[dolo amber]

54. I think that's just marvelous

There's nothing to me more heartwarming than to see blind eyes opened to the truth. :)

[adigal]

56. I feel so sad for the main poster on that thread

He just lost his job in October and sounds like he really has a conscience. I hope he comes here and reads some of our ideas.

[GreenPartyVoter]

59. Agreed. And welcome to DU :^)

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[KamaAina]

62. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. urged his whole crew to see F9/11

then again, those NASCAR guys spend three or four hours every week doing nothing but making left turns... :-)

[KamaAina]

63. self delete

no idea how that got duplicated.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

64. BushCo obviously waited til after the election to announce this.

THere's no way in hell he would have even been able to get away with stealing the election if this would have been announced before the Selection.

[cindyw]

65. I grew up hanging on a fence at a Friday night race track.

Dems are few and far between, but when the Repubs (read God and Country) start thinking you are a disgrace it is over for you.

Unfortunately for us this is Bush 2nd turn. The biggest danger now is that they will come to the same conclusion as us, but will be more than willing not to tar the 2008 nominee with Bush's scandals. We have help them connect the dots from Bush's slime to the policies and the Republican party members. Encouraging a third party is a good start.

[Hissyspit]

66. Police Kill Marine Iraq Vet Who Shoots At Officer

This is from the AP. I don't have enough postings yet to be able to post it to the Latest Breaking News forum, so if someone who can reads this, please post it there.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MARINES_DEATH?SITE=WIWAF&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[giant_robot]

68. Wow. That's a really great thread.

I can hold a grudge with the best of them, and I really thought that reading that thread would anger me, but I enjoyed reading about how they came to see the light. We need these people if there's ever going to be any accountability for the misdeeds of the Bush administration.

As for all the names and invective hurled my way for opposing the war in the first place, we can settle that matter later.

[DinahMoeHum]

69. Reminds me of what radio talk-show host Ed Schultz says in his book:

Link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060784571/qid=1105729183/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-9196155-7408954

(snip)
"...Americans don't want condescension and platitudes. We know a mistake when we see one...The president forgets that we don't work for him...He works for us. With the job comes accountability. All the American people want from this administration is a little reassurance. Instead, Bush is flipping us the bird, and Cheney is mooning us from the back seat..."
(snip)
(snip)
"...I'm here to give it to you straight...I've got faith that, when Americans grasp what's going on around them, they'll start acting like a bear fresh out of hibernation - famished, ill-tempered, and ready to start raising hell..."
(snip)

Patience, people, patience. Looks like these folks are starting to come to our side. Just hold your tongues for awhile and let them rant. When they're finished, first give them some comfort, then our sales pitch, but be gentle with it. Help steer them to sources where they can get help, where they can turn their anger into political energy.

:kick: